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Red Machine 10-28-2003 05:09 AM

Gauithier Proposals
 
The teams interested seem to be Toronto, Montreal, and possibly Washington in the bid to grab Gauithier. Heres a couple proposals:

To Toronto- Denis Gauthier, and Oleg Saprykin
To Calgary- Nik Antropov

To Washington- Denis Gauthier, and Oleg Saprykin
To Calgary- Dainus Zubrus, and Matt Pettinger

rangers 10-28-2003 05:32 AM

I would love to get Gauthier to New York. Only tradeable asset we have is Anson Carter.
What about this:

To CGY: Anson Carter
To NYR: Gauthier + a pick

I dunno :dunno:

TwineSniper 10-28-2003 07:32 AM

If I remember correctly Calgary is pretty thin in goaltending for the future...

so I would offer something like...


Sundstrom, Michaud OR Puurula OR Halak OR Heino-Lindberg OR Tarasov (if we still have him), and a 3rd Round Pick

4

Gauthier and a 7th Round Pick

NFITO 10-28-2003 07:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rangers
I would love to get Gauthier to New York. Only tradeable asset we have is Anson Carter.
What about this:

To CGY: Anson Carter
To NYR: Gauthier + a pick

I dunno :dunno:

Calgary doesn't exactly have a lot of free payroll room, so I don't think this would work...

player wise, I'd think they'd do it (IMO Carter is worth more than Gauthier, and Calgary could use Carter offense), but can't afford to take on Carter's salary.

Also there has been a lot of speculation in Calgary with Berard signing there soon... maybe that's why there has been all this talk here with Gauthier or Lydman moving - but if these guys are moving because of a signing, then it's more likely that the Flames would rather take on prospects and/or picks for their assets just to move salary, then salaried players - especially those in Carter's range.

leafaholix* 10-28-2003 07:43 AM

I'm exceptionally high on Oleg Saprykin...

To Toronto: Denis Gauthier, Oleg Saprykin
To Calgary: Darcy Tucker, Todd Ford (G), 3rd (2004)

neelynugs 10-28-2003 07:49 AM

huml + rights to berard

for

gauthier

seems fair to me :dunno:

NFITO 10-28-2003 07:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by neelynugs
huml + rights to berard

for

gauthier

seems fair to me :dunno:

I think this is a fair deal, and something that works for both teams.... if Calgary is serious about Berard, they should do it, since getting his rights could save them some cash.

Flames Draft Watcher 10-28-2003 08:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The~Franchise
If I remember correctly Calgary is pretty thin in goaltending for the future...

so I would offer something like...


Sundstrom, Michaud OR Puurula OR Halak OR Heino-Lindberg OR Tarasov (if we still have him), and a 3rd Round Pick

4

Gauthier and a 7th Round Pick

Well I'd say we have several goaltenders in our system who are more highly regarded than the guys you are offering up including former top ten pick Brent Krahn and Russian Andrei Medvedev. Dany Sabourin has also impressed management and is currently backing up McLennan and Curtis McElhinney had a tremendous year in college last year. Unless you're offereing Garon I don't think you're giving us an upgrade at that position. I'm fairly confident that one of that group will develop into a good NHL starter.

evman150* 10-28-2003 10:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by go pierre hedin
I'm exceptionally high on Oleg Saprykin...

To Toronto: Denis Gauthier, Oleg Saprykin
To Calgary: Darcy Tucker, Todd Ford (G), 3rd (2004)

That is beyond bad. That is absolutely disgusting.

You won't fetch Oleg Saprykin or Denis Gauthier alone for that crap ass package. Let alone both of them.

BlueAndWhite 10-28-2003 10:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by evman150
That is beyond bad. That is absolutely disgusting.

You won't fetch Oleg Saprykin or Denis Gauthier alone for that crap ass package. Let alone both of them.

Remove your Tucker bias. I doubt the package can get BOTH, but it could get Gauthier, rather easily.


(in terms of value. I'm not necessarily saying that the Flames would want those particular players, but in terms of trade value)

leafaholix* 10-28-2003 10:52 AM

To Toronto: Oleg Saprykin
To Calgary: Alexei Ponikarovsky, 3rd

BlueAndWhite 10-28-2003 10:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by go pierre hedin
To Toronto: Oleg Saprykin
To Calgary: Alexei Ponikarovsky, 3rd

Calgary won't go for this. I like Poni, a lot. He's big, got good hands, solid defensively and has solid speed. However, Poni hasn't really proven a lot at the NHL level (granted, he hasn't been given the chance).

Even if Poni was proven, his MAXIMUM upside is not near that of Saprykin. The Flames take a downgrade for a 3rd round pick. I don't see any incentive for them to do this.

nikolai19 10-28-2003 11:30 AM

How about this:

To LA: Denis Gauthier
To CAL: Jaroslav Modry + David Steckel

Gauthier is a tough d-man which LA needs along with Miller and Norstrom if they are ever going to kill a penalty.

Modry can run the powerplay, which he does in LA. Steckel seems to be blooming into a power forward with some scoring touch at Ohio State.

leafaholix* 10-28-2003 11:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nikolai19
How about this:

To LA: Denis Gauthier
To CAL: Jaroslav Modry + David Steckel

Modry alone is too much to give up for Gauthier.

Poignant Discussion 10-28-2003 11:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by go pierre hedin
Modry alone is too much to give up for Gauthier.


LA a 4th round pick
Calgary Denis Gauthier

hes not worth anymore than that

leafaholix* 10-28-2003 11:54 AM

I'd be willing to send a 3rd to Calgary for Gauthier.

:D

That's about it.

Sled2300 10-28-2003 12:01 PM

These Gauthier for a pick proposals, especially to a western conference team, are stupid. We may as well trade him to boston for Berard's rights (provided we can sign him for 1.5 mil pro rated) and some other marginal return Huml or something.

It makes no sense to trade him for a pick. We already disposed of one physical d-man that way (Boogie).

Keep your picks. :moon:

Brownies 10-28-2003 12:10 PM

I think that Sheldon Souray is better than Gauthier and he'll never fetch more than a 3rd rounder...

leafaholix* 10-28-2003 12:12 PM

How is Souray better then Gauthier?

Based on 8 games?

Jeffrey 10-28-2003 12:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by go pierre hedin
How is Souray better then Gauthier?

Based on 8 games?

Souray is better than Gauthier. period
he's a physical force all around the ice.. he's as fast as markov...
+HELL OF A SHOT(fast and precise)
+PLAY WITH INTENSITY ALL GAME LONG
+OUR MOST USED D SINCE THE START OF THE YEAR(even if he missed all last year)
+GOOD LEADER
+.... many more...
and i wasn't a souray fan before ... but i dunno wut he did since last year! but he's now a monster in defense !!

so, Souray is too important for us right now ...
and no doubt that he's better than gauthier!

devildan 10-28-2003 12:31 PM

I would actually like tthe devils to get him, with Ahonen going the other way.

Kritty 10-28-2003 12:39 PM

I can't believe some of these offers. They are not even in the ballpark of what Gauthier is worth.

LA 4th for Gauthier
-come on now. Since when is a 4-5 ultra physical dman worth only a 4th round pick? Get serious. Gauthier is easily worth a 4th.

3rd for Gauthier
-yet again, Gauthier is worth more than a 3rd.

Modry and Steckel for Gauthier
-this won't happen. Modry is completely one dimensional and doesn't have a whole lot of time left. Calgary has absolutely no use for Modry with what they have now, especially if the rumours about Berard are true. And Pierre Hedin, Modry isn't enough to get Gauthier, sorry.

Tucker, Ford, 3rd for Gauthier and Saprykin
-this is just flat out disgusting. Gauthier and Saprykin together in a package could land a top 6 forward, no doubt. Tucker is a 3rd liner that isn't all that wanted around the league so his value is low. Ford is a decent prospect but Calgary has no need for him and Calgary doesn't need picks. Do some research and know what teams want before making proposals.

Ponikarovsky, 3rd for Saprykin
-why does Calgary do this? Saprykin is the better player with a much greater ceiling. A 3rd doesn't make up the difference.

Berard, Huml for Gauthier
-value-wise it's not too bad, but the Flames won't do this. Huml is possibly a 2nd liner in a few years but I'm not sold on him. As for Berard, why would the Flames deal away a player to get him when there are rumours that they will sign him? Again, don't see why Calgary does this.

Darth Milbury 10-28-2003 12:39 PM

I think that a few of you are seriously underestimating Gauithier's market value.

He may not be a stud, and probably is not even a top four on a contending team. But, he would easily be top four on about 50% of the teams in the league. Also, players of his ilk (physical dmen) are in high demand around the league.

BlueAndWhite 10-28-2003 12:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Darth Milbury
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He may not be a stud, and probably is not even a top four on a contending team. But, he would easily be top four on about 50% of the teams in the league. Also, players of his ilk (physical dmen) are in high demand around the league.

No offense Darth, but I think you PERSONALLY like defensive d-men, and tend to over-rate them at times.

Kritty 10-28-2003 12:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BlueAndWhite
No offense Darth, but I think you PERSONALLY like defensive d-men, and tend to over-rate them at times.

Acutally he's bang on, and you select Leaf fans seem to underrate Gauthier. If you had Gauthier on the Leafs, would you be saying his value is low? Definitely not, you would think he was top 4. He is a top 4 type dman. As Darth said, not top 4 on deep teams, but on many of the teams in the league he would be top 4. You really have to watch more of him because you clearly have no idea as to the type of player he is. He is not the kind of guy you would think would have high value, but his value is quite significant. There are several teams that would love to get him, meaning his trade value is high. You won't get him for low ball offers. Sutter knows his value, and so do other GMs around the league.

Good post Darth, I would agree completely with what you're saying. He isn't a 30 team #4 but he has that kind of value because of what he brings to the table.


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