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Jeffrey 11-02-2003 02:17 PM

Future of our Habs!? (not that bad)
 
I think we don't have to panic too much, we have a good young core of player you we just need good evaluation of our young player and try to fix the hole for the future.

our current isn't the best but I think we have some good guys here and others that need to be cleared ..

Bulis: I think we have a perfect 3rd liner specialist and he's still young, i'll keep him on our rebuilding mode.

Koivu: He's a great team guy and give all he can to help our team, he's still young and he's dedicated to the game, i'll keep him too.`

Markov: He's our PP QB, good shot, good speed, he needs more experience.

Souray: I love him, he's a wall on defense, good speed, good shots.
he needs to keep him simple and again more experience.

Theodore: Maybe some people here don't like him but he's still IMO a decent #1 goalie .. I'll keep him also because he's a fan favorite..

Ward: Good intensity, good 4th liner , need to get more speed ..

Begin: he's fearless and love to throw open ice hits... he'll keep too for our 4th line.

Hossa: I really really like him, he gives good effort + he has nice skills he just need to polish them.

Ryder: He's IMO a young version of Zednik.. good skills,good intensity, need more consistency.

Langdon: Goon at 500k$ still usefull..

keep or not:

Hainsey: I think he don't want to play hockey , he don't seems very confident. + he has good trade value

Ribeiro: very skilled i love him but we already have koivu and he don't have a great trade value.. keep him?

Kilger: Big, Fast, maybe a potential 4th liner :joker: keep or not?

Zednik: Very skilled and gritty, but i feel that ryder can replace him ..
+ he has a good trade value.. keep or not?

Garon: Big goalie, potential starter.. but we already have a star goaltender in Theo.. keep him as a backup or trade him for something(lower than his true potential)?

Get rid of:

Audette: don't need explanation

Rivet: he's overpaid... and make some rookie mistake.

Quintal: I love him (but he won't stay in our rebuilding process IMO)

Perreault: Too soft :shakehead , very skilled and good face-off man, but at 3m$.. too much... last year for him with us...

Brisebois: I love him too but we won't re-sign him, 4m$ is too much.

dackell: too small, too soft, too much cash, last year with us(1,8 m$)

juneau: see dackell

sundstrom: see dackell


then, try to fill the gap on our roster..

I think we are on a good way in our rebuilding process

so what you guys think?

Jeffrey 11-02-2003 07:04 PM

well ... i tried something...
:shakehead
nobody seem interested :cry:

Jeffrey 11-02-2003 07:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Plekanec
Did I read correctly? Perreault very skilled??? :lol:

perreault has a real nice shot... like him or not if he was faster and bigger he would be very usefull for us... but at 5'11 184lbs + slow...
we don't need him...

ChemiseBleuHonnete 11-02-2003 07:24 PM

Bulis: I think we have a perfect 3rd liner specialist and he's still young, i'll keep him on our rebuilding mode.

Koivu: He's a great team guy and give all he can to help our team, he's still young and he's dedicated to the game, i'll keep him too.`

Markov: He's our PP QB, good shot, good speed, he needs more experience.

Souray: I love him, he's a wall on defense, good speed, good shots.
he needs to keep him simple and again more experience.

Theodore: Maybe some people here don't like him but he's still IMO a decent #1 goalie .. I'll keep him also because he's a fan favorite.. -- My take is that Garon could be better and cheaper... Simple enough?

Ward: Good intensity, good 4th liner , need to get more speed ..

Begin: he's fearless and love to throw open ice hits... he'll keep too for our 4th line.

Hossa: I really really like him, he gives good effort + he has nice skills he just need to polish them.

Ryder: He's IMO a young version of Zednik.. good skills,good intensity, need more consistency.

Langdon: Goon at 500k$ still usefull..

keep or not:

Hainsey: I think he don't want to play hockey , he don't seems very confident. + he has good trade value -- Agree 100% and he's very bad defensively

Ribeiro: very skilled i love him but we already have koivu and he don't have a great trade value.. keep him? -- soft, gives the puck to the opposite team too often, plays a good shift once in a while and that's it

Kilger: Big, Fast, maybe a potential 4th liner :joker: keep or not? -- I would give him a chance

Zednik: Very skilled and gritty, but i feel that ryder can replace him ..
+ he has a good trade value.. keep or not? -- Can't pass and very letargic and well many other problems. Don't know what to say!

Garon: Big goalie, potential starter.. but we already have a star goaltender in Theo.. keep him as a backup or trade him for something(lower than his true potential)? -- The guy is ****ing unbeatable when people will realize it?

Get rid of:

Audette: don't need explanation

Rivet: he's overpaid... and make some rookie mistake.-- Can't agree with this. He's playing very well imo. 95% of the time he's solid defensively. He get the puck out of the defensive zone very well. He's a leader. He also did a better job at center on the powerplay than Ribeiro against NYR

Quintal: I love him (but he won't stay in our rebuilding process IMO)Love him too but it's his last contract...

Perreault: Too soft :shakehead , very skilled and good face-off man, but at 3m$.. too much... last year for him with us... -- Agree 100%

Brisebois: I love him too but we won't re-sign him, 4m$ is too much.Maybe it's too much but it's not our money so why bothering about it???

dackell: too small, too soft, too much cash, last year with us(1,8 m$) -- Agree

juneau: see dackell He's actually very effective to shut down the best lines... When are people gonna realize that? He's been doing it for 3 freaking years! for fück's sakes give him his due.

sundstrom: see dackell agree....[/QUOTE]

Kirk Muller 11-02-2003 08:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Plekanec
Wrong!

Slow, soft, atrocious playmaker, under average stickhandling, not involved in the game, no hockey sense... Except his accurate wrist shot, this guy has AHLer skills, you can talk about everything except skills in his case! Perreault is a floater and even bigger he would'nt be usefull! To be usefull you have to be involved in the play and be able to create something, the only thing Perreault can do well is floating and winning face-offs!


NO, you're wrong.

Actually, its not necassarily that you are all wrong, but its the condescending attitude that because you don't agree with him, that he is 100% guarenteed "wrong" in your eyes. He didn't say Perreault would be a star, he said he would be useful, which is in fact true. A bigger, faster Perreault would be "useful" for us because the current Perreault was actually "useful" for us for what he was brought in to do.

Sorry, this is just a pet peeve of mine on these boards, and for whatever reason tonight its bothering me more than normal, but could people show some respect, say you disagree but to flat out say someone is "wrong" when it is an opinion and you in fact have no clue unless you have a time machine (do you have a time machine because than would be really cool :D ) is a such a condescending ignorant comment.

Jeffrey 11-04-2003 01:00 PM

Today i've had a vision for our future!!

I think it's possible... but we need luck and ... poor habs performance ;)

The trade department:
1- We don't have enough Big young agitator with size and skills...
but Nashville are loaded with ... and they do need more fancy playmaker...
so what you guys think about this:
Ribeiro,plekanec
for
Adam Hall,2nd/3rd round pick..

Mtl get way bigger .. nashville get way better..
why trade ribeiro?: one word Saku.. saku is about the samething as ribeiro.. but he's faster and more experimented(bring leadership)
I really like ribeiro .. but IMO mtl is not the best place for him to develop as he should..

2nd trade:
Anaheim have done some important signing this summmer with prospal,federov and giguere .. so they can't go back(by rebuilding).. but they are loaded in $$$... so they need to regain fans confidence while not give more $$$ + they have to make the playoff or some important heads will drop..

so what about that:
Zednik+Sundström(all salary paid!!)+3rd round pick so both = 1.8m$
for
Ana 1st pick + Mike Leclerc(1.4m$)/Vitaly Vishnevski(1.2m$) = 1.4m$ or 1.2m$

why trade zednik?: One word :p .. Ryder.. he do almost the same things as zednik + he's way younger ... and way cheaper(last year contract for zeddy) + sundstrom (help Anaheim defensively while bringing some offense)

so Mtl get bigger and younger (1st round pick).. Anaheim get waaaay better with zednik..

so now our crappy lineup will be:
Ryder Koivu Hall
Hossa Perreault Leclerc
Bulis Juneau Dackell
Ward/Kilger Begin Langdon

During the year: try to get rid of Audette (or buy out)
+ get rid of perreault(trade deadline) after that replace him by Higgins..

now it's the lucky part... with this lineup i think we can have a top 5 picks... and get one of Oveckhin,Olesz,Malkin,Schremp and Barker...

+ Anaheim pick(hope they dont make the playoff and get something around 10th (maybe with lottery)) Then try everything we can to move up some place if needed (3 will be ok IMO) and get Pinneault...

now the funny part.. (I know i've heard that somewhere)... but if Jacque Martin don't make the playoff or don't perform well in the playoff that he'll be fired.. so we hope that ... ;)

then we hire Jacque Martin and put CJ assistant coach(he's a good teacher too)..

Now the future:

our future lineup would be crazy !!!...

Ryder Koivu Pinneault
Kostitsyn Malkin** Perezhogin
Bulis Higgins Hossa
Ward/Kilger Begin Hall/Leclerc

goon: Langdon

**you can change Malkin by Ovechkin(if we are lucky) or Schremp ... if its Olesz .. then switch Olesz with Perezhogin and put Higgins #2 center , Hossa 3rd center. and perezhogin 3rd RW.. if it's Cam Barker .. let him a place in our defense ,put higgins #2 center,put hossa 3rd center, put Hall or Leclerc 3rd RW..

I know there is a lots of project here and lots of incertitude... but if we want to rebuild we have to give some place for our prospect in the NHL..
and restart from zero !...

so what you guys think about my crazy dream?

Jeffrey 11-04-2003 01:38 PM

cumon i need some opinions... :cry:

hidekik 11-04-2003 02:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kryoptix
so what you guys think about my crazy dream?

It's certainly crazy http://hfboards.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

On a serious note though, I disagree with some of your points.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kryoptix
1- We don't have enough Big young agitator with size and skills...
but Nashville are loaded with ... and they do need more fancy playmaker...
so what you guys think about this:
Ribeiro,plekanec
for
Adam Hall,2nd/3rd round pick..

I wouldn't want to get rid of Plekanec. From what I have read, he seems like he'll become a less skilled, more physical, faster Koivu (sounds like Brendan Morrison).
Also, something on Hall:
Quote:

Originally Posted by Hockey's Future
He definitely has the size and the tools to make it, but some improvements in his speed and skating would help.

hmmmm... sounds a lot like Ward, doesn't he?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kryoptix
then we hire Jacque Martin and put CJ assistant coach(he's a good teacher too)..

We should let CJ implement his system with a lineup that has some more talent and desire. We've seen that if the team plays the system very good things can happen.

And here's my dream lineup for the future (assuming we stink so badly this year we end up with Ovechkin, and all the prospects are awesome as soon as next year, and we get Morris from Colorado for Garon because they were so desperate for a goaltender by the trade deadline, and since they were so deperate they agreed to take Perrault and Audette http://hfboards.com/images/icons/icon10.gif
)
Kostitsyn Ovechkin Perezhogin
Zednik Koivu Ryder
Bulis Higgins Hossa
Begin/Kilger Plekanec Ward

Markov Komisarek
Hainsey Morris
Souray Rivet/Brisbois (he's been very solid this year).

Dreams are a wonderful thing aren't they?

Jeffrey 11-04-2003 06:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hidekik
It's certainly crazy http://hfboards.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

On a serious note though, I disagree with some of your points.


I wouldn't want to get rid of Plekanec. From what I have read, he seems like he'll become a less skilled, more physical, faster Koivu (sounds like Brendan Morrison).
Also, something on Hall:

hmmmm... sounds a lot like Ward, doesn't he?


We should let CJ implement his system with a lineup that has some more talent and desire. We've seen that if the team plays the system very good things can happen.

And here's my dream lineup for the future (assuming we stink so badly this year we end up with Ovechkin, and all the prospects are awesome as soon as next year, and we get Morris from Colorado for Garon because they were so desperate for a goaltender by the trade deadline, and since they were so deperate they agreed to take Perrault and Audette http://hfboards.com/images/icons/icon10.gif
)
Kostitsyn Ovechkin Perezhogin
Zednik Koivu Ryder
Bulis Higgins Hossa
Begin/Kilger Plekanec Ward

Markov Komisarek
Hainsey Morris
Souray Rivet/Brisbois (he's been very solid this year).

Dreams are a wonderful thing aren't they?

For Hall , I prefer tough guy that work hard than softie that can't play if they are a little bit pushed on the back ..


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