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DeadPool 05-23-2006 02:41 PM

Wouldn't it be time for another Hockey Franchise in Montreal???
 
I was reading articles in the AHL forums and it got me thinking.

Why don't we move the Bulldogs to Montreal? Why can't a business man buy or bring a Q team here?

We just came out from a sold-out season at the Bell Centre. People are fighting for tickets. (I got playoffs tickets and was the envy of all my friends. Habs tickets are almost becoming a social status.)

We all know that a Q or AHL team would have made HUGE money during the lockout. Hell, the Chiefs/Verdun teams did brisk business at the Bell Centre during the lockout.

The hockey faithfuls here need an alternative option. Whoever comes up with it, will be a rich man. (High attendance and TV sells should be enough to make a good-enough profit.)

jester099 05-23-2006 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by DeadPool

The hockey faithfuls here need an alternative option. Whoever comes up with it, will be a rich man. (High attendance and TV sells should be enough to make a good-enough profit.)

I highly doubt that...

Serge Savard tried to bring a team from the Q here and it didn't work.

Maybe it's possible, but there is no success garanteed.

Matrix 05-23-2006 02:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DeadPool
I was reading articles in the AHL forums and it got me thinking.

Why don't we move the Bulldogs to Montreal? Why can't a business man buy or bring a Q team here?

We just came out from a sold-out season at the Bell Centre. People are fighting for tickets. (I got playoffs tickets and was the envy of all my friends. Habs tickets are almost becoming a social status.)

We all know that a Q or AHL team would have made HUGE money during the lockout. Hell, the Chiefs/Verdun teams did brisk business at the Bell Centre during the lockout.

The hockey faithfuls here need an alternative option. Whoever comes up with it, will be a rich man. (High attendance and TV sells should be enough to make a good-enough profit.)

I live on the North Shore and while I try to go in Drummondville to see some games, the talk about a franchise in Boisbriand is real exciting for me and I'll buy my season ticket you can be sure about it. Love talking about prospects but more interested in seeing them a lot live so I'll be up for it!!!!

But it's not done yet, far from it....

Artie 05-23-2006 02:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DeadPool
I was reading articles in the AHL forums and it got me thinking.

Why don't we move the Bulldogs to Montreal? Why can't a business man buy or bring a Q team here?

We just came out from a sold-out season at the Bell Centre. People are fighting for tickets. (I got playoffs tickets and was the envy of all my friends. Habs tickets are almost becoming a social status.)

We all know that a Q or AHL team would have made HUGE money during the lockout. Hell, the Chiefs/Verdun teams did brisk business at the Bell Centre during the lockout.

The hockey faithfuls here need an alternative option. Whoever comes up with it, will be a rich man. (High attendance and TV sells should be enough to make a good-enough profit.)

As somebody already mentioned, we've had Q teams in the Montreal area and they did NOT do well. The Rocket packed up and moved. The Titans de Laval moved as well.
We have to ask ourselves...Is Montreal a Hockey city or a Habs city? How many people have been continuing to follow the playoffs once the Habs were eliminated? Go to Champs or any Cage aux Sports and see the difference.

NBHABSFAN 05-23-2006 02:50 PM

I think it could work in Montreal. I mean it works in Ottawa, Toronto why not in Montreal. There is enough of a fanbase for either a AHL team (bulldogs) or a Q team.

I think Montreal would benefit from this, and maybe would be able to land the World Jr. Championships (which I think we should have won over Ottawa :shakehead)

Matrix 05-23-2006 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Artie
As somebody already mentioned, we've had Q teams in the Montreal area and they did NOT do well. The Rocket packed up and moved. The Titans de Laval moved as well.
We have to ask ourselves...Is Montreal a Hockey city or a Habs city? How many people have been continuing to follow the playoffs once the Habs were eliminated? Go to Champs or any Cage aux Sports and see the difference.

Well it sure is Habs city. That's why we have to find some place in the area, like the North Shore who would have that young fan base newly interested in hockey but could not afford a Habs ticket. Laval was here from 69 to 98 so they had built something great. And Montreal, well the marketing was inexistant, and knowing that Montreal itself should not have another team, you've got your answer.

But I believe that with the new excitement that the NHL provides, the fact that the audience is younger, more excited than ever, you could still have those people to attend Junior hockey or definately AHL hockey if the marketing is there, if the prices are good and if the show is great.

I believe in the North Shore, there was some talk about Repentigny as well, but Boisbriand, where the old GM building was, is a perfect location for people that lives north of Montreal, Laval, and the rest of the North Shore.

Bronn 05-23-2006 03:06 PM

Bah

You guys can already go watch the Habs pretty much anytime you wants. ;)

If anything , the Bulldogs should move to Quebec instead :D.Yeah we already have the Remparts and it's good but the Bulldogs would be even more interesting :)

Artie 05-23-2006 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Matrix
But I believe that with the new excitement that the NHL provides, the fact that the audience is younger, more excited than ever, you could still have those people to attend Junior hockey or definately AHL hockey if the marketing is there, if the prices are good and if the show is great.

I believe in the North Shore, there was some talk about Repentigny as well, but Boisbriand, where the old GM building was, is a perfect location for people that lives north of Montreal, Laval, and the rest of the North Shore.

There have been a couple of rumours in the West Island and Western End of Montreal. Most of these "rumors" have been generated by folks trying to get enough interest and financing to build different arena projects. A few years back the name of a prominent Montreal businessman and a hockey broadcaster were mentioned in one of the projects. It never seemed to materialize.

Personally I would love for the Bulldogs to be in Montreal (and to me Laval, South Shore, West Island etc are included in the MONTREAL definition because the team will not survive on just North Shore or South Shore or WI support) but I still think that there are too many other options vying for Montrealers entertainment $$$$.

I'd love for the Habs to get the Bulldogs to play 10 games at the Bell Center every year.

DeadPool 05-23-2006 03:21 PM

Personally, I've been to Drummondville 15 times in the past 2 years. I'd definitely get season tickets to a Montreal Q team. Everyone who turned to Q hockey during the lockout weren't dissapointed. I know tons of them and they would gladly pay 12$ to see a local Montreal Q team. Let's remember that the Rockets were playing in a time where the Habs popularity was down. 2006 was the pinnacle of Habs fever since the Roy trade. That fuels all area of Hockey in this city.

Now imagine the Bulldogs playing at the Bell Centre in 2007-2008 with Guillaume Latendresse. Don't tell me, they wouldn't have 8000 or more paying for that.

Montrealer 05-23-2006 03:23 PM

An AHL franchise would draw maybe 4,000 a game, if the ticket prices were cheap enough.

A QMJHL franchise would draw 2,000 a game if everything went right... the best average the Rocket ever managed was 2500 a game back in their expansion year.

Of course, that doesn't stop people from trying over and over and over again.

Pax Macioretty 05-23-2006 03:34 PM

I know i'd watch an AHL team way before a Q game, just the thought of seeing guys like Chip,Kostytsin and Lapierre play....

Dutch 05-23-2006 03:47 PM

Unless your team can be on the top of the standings each year, no team has ever survived in Montreal. Before they became a winning team, the Als were playing in front of mediocre teams. The Expos had good years, but after 94, there wasn't any crowd support. The Impact had the same problems. The Claude-Robillard is full right now, but if the team would have a bad year, crowds would fall down fast like it did in the 90's. That,s why I don't believe any team could succed in the Montreal region. Maybe on the North Shore, but I doubt it, unfortunetly.

phil 05-23-2006 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Symbolic
Bah

You guys can already go watch the Habs pretty much anytime you wants. ;)

If anything , the Bulldogs should move to Quebec instead :D.Yeah we already have the Remparts and it's good but the Bulldogs would be even more interesting :)

we had the Citadels a few years back and they packed up and moved... won't work in QC

Joey 05-23-2006 04:01 PM

I know Leaf fans that would rather go to Bulldogs games than Marlies games, even with this losing season Hamilton had this year. Plus if you walk around Copps on a game day in Hamilton, you'll see tons of people in Habs shirts. Hamilton is really a Habs city

jester099 05-23-2006 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by phil
we had the Citadels a few years back and they packed up and moved... won't work in QC

AHL hockey might work if it's not an affiliate of the Habs I think.

People are still bitter and still hate the Habs organisation enough not to show to their affiliate team I think.

That's why the Citadels didn't work anyway. Maybe it changed since then.

Le Tricolore 05-23-2006 06:07 PM

I'd like a Q team in Montreal; I'd probably go to a couple games.

Dutch 05-23-2006 06:11 PM

There a rumors that an arena could be built on the South Shore... of Quebec City. A group would be interested in getting a second Q team in the region.

phil 05-23-2006 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Dutch
There a rumors that an arena could be built on the South Shore... or Quebec City. A group would be interested in getting a second Q team in the region.

this rumor has been running for a couple years now... it would be in somewhere on the southern shore to brign a Q team... but as time goes by the rumor gets lost and seems like it won't happen

phil 05-23-2006 06:27 PM

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Originally Posted by jester099
AHL hockey might work if it's not an affiliate of the Habs I think.

this is not true... it did not worked because the average attendance was about 2000 to 3000, which isn't enough for an AHL team, it had nothing to do with the habs/nordiques clash...

it started well in the first maybe 2 years and then it faded and the remparts took their actual place in importance and choked the citadels...

Raskolnikov76 05-23-2006 06:47 PM

The Titans should never have left.

Gino Odjick with the traditional green mohawk playoff haircut was something to see.

beowulf 05-23-2006 07:37 PM

It all depends on where the team is placed. The Rockets and Titans were not in the best places. I always wondered how a Q team might do on the west island. Lots of young families and good money.

Le Tricolore 05-23-2006 07:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dutch
There a rumors that an arena could be built on the South Shore... of Quebec City. A group would be interested in getting a second Q team in the region.

There should be a team in the South Shore of Montreal!

LONGUEUIL! YEAH!

Watsatheo 05-23-2006 09:57 PM

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Originally Posted by beowulf
It all depends on where the team is placed. The Rockets and Titans were not in the best places. I always wondered how a Q team might do on the west island. Lots of young families and good money.

i grew up there...a lot of hockey fans i can tell you that.

CoupeStanley 05-23-2006 10:54 PM

I think some people overestimate the entertainement value of the AHL products. I love prospect and all, but it's not a level of hockey that will drive a lot of passion in Montreal. They could probably draw relatively well anyway though. Since that would be the Baby Habs and this city is crazy about anything Habs.

The Q is a great product though. It's fast, intense.. I always have fun when I go to the Cataractes and I always come out thinking it's the best «hockey» I've seen in a while.

But don't tie the products with the Habs.. like calling them the Rocket or the Jr. Canadiens. Give them their own identity. and let the product sell by itself. Give it time.

La Grosse Tendresse 05-23-2006 11:00 PM

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Originally Posted by mjb45
There should be a team in the South Shore of Montreal!

LONGUEUIL! YEAH!

We draw like 300 people for junior AAA, which is a very good product. For comparaison, places like St-Jerome and Joliette can get more than 1,000 on a bad night. People just don't care around Montreal, as there is too much competition from other sources.


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