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JeromeHP 11-05-2003 09:45 AM

Perrault to atl? want the habs can get from atl?
 
Perrault to atl? want the habs can get from atl?


With Savard injured , Perrault could be a good fit for Atl

What could the habs get from ATL

Malefic74 11-05-2003 09:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Markov79fan
Perrault to atl? want the habs can get from atl?


With Savard injured , Perrault could be a good fit for Atl

What could the habs get from ATL

Perreault's a UFA after this season, making him a rental for most teams. While the Habs might be able to squeeze something out of Atlanta, his value as a situational faceoff specialist goes up the closer the playoffs get.

Best to wait and see what the contenders are throwing around.

KOMO_ROCKS 11-05-2003 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Malefic74
Perreault's a UFA after this season, making him a rental for most teams. While the Habs might be able to squeeze something out of Atlanta, his value as a situational faceoff specialist goes up the closer the playoffs get.

Best to wait and see what the contenders are throwing around.

Good point.....it is good to wait till his trade value is the highest(trade deadline or close to it)......but injuries of any sort can happen to any player who is likely to get traded too(eg Jagr). Sometimes you want to wait till the deal is right, but sometimes you dont want to take any chances either and are ready to take less

Voynich 11-05-2003 10:51 AM

DW pursued Perreault when he was a free agent the last time and I'm sure he would be interested in acquiring him now.

While I know the general opinion is that he is primarily a faceoff specialist, he also puts up pretty good numbers and would be a definite upgrade in talent down the center for Atlanta.

Considering that he will be a UFA after the season his value is going to be down, so the first deal I offer may be rather crappy as far as value goes:

To Atlanta:
Yanic Perreault

To Montreal:
Simon Gamache
Conditional 2004 Pick (At least a 5th and upgraded to a 3rd if we can resign Perrault after the season)

In my eyes we would be getting the much better end of the deal right now and I may be overrating Montreal's desire to acquire a french-canadian player. Nevertheless Simon is a prolific scorer at the AHL level and may blossom in Montreal, I'm sure he wouldn't mind being part of that organization. The pick is a pick, a 5th if Perreault bolts for greener pastures or a 3rd if we can resign him.

My next proposal is taking for granted that Brisebois is still rather maligned by the Montreal fans. I could very well be wrong in that assumption since I haven't been following it too closely.

To Atlanta:
Yanic Perreault
Patrice Brisebois

To Montreal:
Simon Gamache
Andy Sutton
Conditional 2004 Pick (At least a 5th and upgraded to a 3rd if we can resign Perrault after the season)

I think this would work out for both teams, although I've still got the deal slanted well in Atlanta's favor in my mind. Montreal gets a hulking 6'6" 245lbs. defenseman who plays solid in his own end for Brisebois who fills the Thrashers need for an offensive guy who can run the point on the power play and is a right handed shot(something we lack in our defensive corps). Then add in my first trade offer of Gamache and a pick for Perreault.

andora 11-05-2003 11:04 AM

4th

:edit: conditional 4th

Voynich 11-05-2003 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by andora's box
4th

:edit: conditional 4th

We traded away our 2004 4th round pick in the Hurme deal at the waiver draft. Otherwise I'd have put that in there instead of the 5th.

Darth Milbury 11-05-2003 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Voynich
We traded away our 2004 4th round pick in the Hurme deal at the waiver draft. Otherwise I'd have put that in there instead of the 5th.


5th sounds realistic to me.

Riggins 11-05-2003 11:49 AM

any draft pick we can get. Personally I think a 3rd would be a steal. :D

Malefic74 11-05-2003 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Voynich
To Atlanta:
Yanic Perreault
Patrice Brisebois

To Montreal:
Simon Gamache
Andy Sutton
Conditional 2004 Pick (At least a 5th and upgraded to a 3rd if we can resign Perrault after the season)

Not too bad. Problem there is that Brisebois has a no-trade clause. Other than that I don't mind that one.

Souffle 11-05-2003 11:59 AM

Gamache and a conditional draft pick would be fair value, but Gainey would probably frown at the thought of adding yet another small forward.

It's pretty unlikely that Perreault will be resigned by the Habs anyway, so any return would be a good return. Gainey might conceivably just opt for a conditional draft pick instead.

Uber Coca 11-05-2003 12:21 PM

5th round pick would be fair

Marc the Habs Fan 11-05-2003 12:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Voynich

To Atlanta:
Yanic Perreault
Patrice Brisebois

To Montreal:
Simon Gamache
Andy Sutton
Conditional 2004 Pick (At least a 5th and upgraded to a 3rd if we can resign Perrault after the season)

I think this would work out for both teams, although I've still got the deal slanted well in Atlanta's favor in my mind. Montreal gets a hulking 6'6" 245lbs. defenseman who plays solid in his own end for Brisebois who fills the Thrashers need for an offensive guy who can run the point on the power play and is a right handed shot(something we lack in our defensive corps). Then add in my first trade offer of Gamache and a pick for Perreault.

Good proposal, although Habs really don't need Gamache but I would love to have Sutton on the Habs D. The problem is getting Briser to waive the NTC.

AEKaki 11-05-2003 06:20 PM

for a 3rd round pick since he's a UFA

goalchenyuk 11-05-2003 06:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Marc the Habs Fan
Good proposal, although Habs really don't need Gamache but I would love to have Sutton on the Habs D. The problem is getting Briser to waive the NTC.

i think that he already did it this summer...

goalchenyuk 11-05-2003 06:30 PM

Simon Gamache Center
Born Jan 3 1981 -- Montreal, PQ
Height 5.10 -- Weight 185 -- Shoots L
Selected by Atlanta Thrashers round 9 #290 overall 2000
Regular Season Playoffs
Season Team Lge GP G A Pts PIM GP G A Pts PIM
1999-00 Val-d'Or Foreurs QMJHL 72 64 79 143
2000-01 Val-d'Or Foreurs QMJHL 72 74 110 184
2001-02 Greenville Grrrowl ECHL 31 19 19 38
2001-02 Chicago Wolves AHL 26 2 4 6 11
2002-03 Chicago Wolves AHL 76 35 42 77
2003-04 Chicago Wolves* AHL 8 3 3 6 2

well ...it is not easy to say .good player but getting another center in the small size ? i am not sure

Jon Burke 11-05-2003 06:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Markov79fan
Perrault to atl? want the habs can get from atl?

With Savard injured , Perrault could be a good fit for Atl

What could the habs get from ATL

I somehow doubt that the Thrashers, who are off to a splendid 6-3-3 start even without Dany Heatley who's their best player IMO, are going to hit the panic button and make a move just yet. I think they'll let guys like Stefan, McEachern and Kozlov step up and eat up Savard's ice time. And if they start to lose, then they'll consider making a deal. But I somehow doubt that Perreault, in spite of his good faceoff abilities (an underrated skill in today's NHL) and solid offensive skills, would be among the players that they are interested in. They are a very young team stocked with inexpensive talent. Perreault does not fit the bill.

Maybe Atlanta will make moves later in the season to shore up their depth, but I doubt that they'd consider a move while they continue to win regularly. The saying "If it ain't broke, don't fix it" seems to apply.

Joe Maximum 11-05-2003 09:12 PM

we want 20 synergies... and a couple of rolls of blue tape

Voynich 11-06-2003 02:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Danrik
I somehow doubt that the Thrashers, who are off to a splendid 6-3-3 start even without Dany Heatley who's their best player IMO, are going to hit the panic button and make a move just yet. I think they'll let guys like Stefan, McEachern and Kozlov step up and eat up Savard's ice time. And if they start to lose, then they'll consider making a deal. But I somehow doubt that Perreault, in spite of his good faceoff abilities (an underrated skill in today's NHL) and solid offensive skills, would be among the players that they are interested in. They are a very young team stocked with inexpensive talent. Perreault does not fit the bill.

Maybe Atlanta will make moves later in the season to shore up their depth, but I doubt that they'd consider a move while they continue to win regularly. The saying "If it ain't broke, don't fix it" seems to apply.

Atlanta has been and is still actively pursuing a trade to bring in a center/offensive help. Don Waddell wanted to sign Perreault when he was a free agent and I'm sure he'd still be interested in acquiring him. At a salary point of $2.8 million I don't think this places Perreault anywhere out of Atlanta's range financially. It would put him 3rd on our salary rankings behind Dafoe and Kozlov, but it isn't an outrageous amount of money for a great faceoff guy who can put up 50 points and is good on the powerplay.

didjuicythat 11-06-2003 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Plekanec
IMO Perreault is AHL caliber!

He'd be without a doubt the most prolific AHLer ever. Oh my, oh my, can't get enough from reading your posts. It's always a good laugh. I'm always wondering: "Could he ever get dumber that that?". Supringsly, you always succeed. Congrats.

Jeffrey 11-06-2003 10:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Plekanec
Sorry but Perreault would'nt be a great AHLer, he is a floater and his production would depend of his ice time and the quality of his teammates!

As I always said, he has average AHLer caliber skills, so no way he would dominate this league!

Has Audette dominate the league when sent down?

No way, he was one of the worst wingers of the Bulldogs' roster...

All of Ward, Plekanec, Ryder, Salmalainen, Torres, even Rita was looking superior to Audette!

That would be the same thing for Perreault... Plekanec is already an alot better hockey player as well as Higgins, Svitov even Gratton would be ahead him in the depth chart!

That's the reality body, Perreault just sucks and could be easily replace by a kid!

Perreault = Best faceoff specialist of the league and one of the best mtl sniper... so he's clearly NHL caliber .. you are one of the worst poster here.. and you've lost credibilty since a long time here(especialy habs board) .. and plz give me a favor,at least try to keep the little respect i have into you!

andora 11-06-2003 10:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Kryoptix
Perreault = Best faceoff specialist of the league and one of the best mtl sniper... so he's clearly NHL caliber ..

that doesn't really prove much, eastwood wins faceoffs,and he's umm.. not very good..

one of the habs' best snipers.. also, doesn't prove much, they are aching, starving, craving, yearning for offense

Jeffrey 11-06-2003 11:06 PM

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Originally Posted by andora's box
that doesn't really prove much, eastwood wins faceoffs,and he's umm.. not very good..

one of the habs' best snipers.. also, doesn't prove much, they are aching, starving, craving, yearning for offense

ok don't tell me that perreault wouldn't be useful in the playoff . He's not that bad ..
- he's not a fast skater: true
- not a good defensive forward: true (not that worst too.. still make some good play sometimes ; i've noticed about 4 good d plays since start of the year. way better than audette with zero good d play :shakehead )
- not very physical : all habs team aren't physical...

good
- best faceoff man of the league
- one of the best shot of the habs(about 2 or 3 top corners goal this year)
- bring leadership (don't panic at anytime .. don't make any midget mistake as some vets do... too much..)


I think he's still NHL caliber he would play IMO a great role for a contender team (playing 4th line duty and winning important faceoff)
he had 4 consecutive year with approximately 50 pts(~25 goals) ...
+ this year he's currently our best scorer with 5 goals (tied with souray)

IMO his value will go up at the trade deadline ... because he's UFA next year..
so don't tell me he's not usefull or even AHL caliber..

andora 11-06-2003 11:20 PM

you make fun of that other guy for apparent outlandish claims but dish out a couple of your own

you've seen perreault make four good defensive plays this year.. what am i supposed to say to that ?.. really... four ?

2 or 3 top corner goals..

playoff use.. well, ifyou can carry 13 forwards and use him as a faceoff guy only, or if you're comfortable carrying 12 forwards but only using perreault for faceoffs, then i guess he could be great on a contending team.. other then that, on a contending team, he wouldn't crack the lineup...

the contending team should have balance on the bottom two lines to balance off the scoring on the top two lines.. physical gritty foot soldiers should and are on the third and fourth lines on contenders, not yanic perreaults

Jeffrey 11-06-2003 11:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Plekanec
By the way, Savard has tried to trade Perreault just before the deadline last season... No result! ;)

I won't argue with you about what you've about perreault .. because you seems sold about him and biased toward prospect..
but how did u know that savard tried to trade him before last year deadline? any inside info here? :confused:

fulk hogan 11-07-2003 05:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Plekanec
Bah... This is not a great reference but it was on traderumors.com or thefourthperiod.com..

It was mentionned that Savars was trying to deal both Brisebois and Perreault... I had also heard that rumor on a radio channel...

By the way, the things I say are the things I seriously think! If I say that both Perreault and Audette are AHLer or ECHLer caliber that's because I honestly think it!

You can desagree but I'm still waiting about some interesting arguements from you!

How does an AHL caliber player spend 11 seasons in the NHL while scoring an average of 25 goals and 51 points over the last three seasons?

Also, Perreault has already dominated the AHL with 45 goals and 105 points in 62 games a decade ago.


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