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frolov_kovalev* 07-07-2006 11:32 AM

Petr Sykora and Sergei Samsonov CAN MAKE A DIFFERENCE
 
They're not particularly big and muscled but they can score, we need goals!

Think about it, okay, he's all washed up and may never score again but he may certainly be an improvement ove Jan Bulis and we can stick him on the Kovalev-Ribeiro line, he would add some chemistry to our team.
He's not that bad, and plus he can score in shootouts.
He's a nifty scorer, with the proper linemates he can do it again, we don't have any Patrik Elias or Jamie Langenbrunner but at the bitter most, Sykora mught work.

Samsonov doesn't have Glen Murray or Joe Thornton anymore but with Kovalev and Ribeiro he would work nicely, we need another piece of the puzzle, a scorer, and a big line 2 centre.

Ribs+Aebi for a nice line 2 centre anyone? We can even throw in Zednik.

sXe 07-07-2006 11:34 AM

Perez > Sykora
Kost > Samsonov

For a fraction of the price.

frolov_kovalev* 07-07-2006 11:35 AM

just look at these:

higgins-koivu-ryder
samsonov/sykora-ribeiro(or pleky)-kovalev
perez-pleky-kost
begin-bonk-zed

frolov_kovalev* 07-07-2006 11:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sXe (Post 5953990)
Perez > Sykora
Kost > Samsonov

For a fraction of the price.

Samsonov in Edmonton is what we should expect.

BigTimer* 07-07-2006 11:36 AM

If that's all Gainey can muster with all the assets at his disposal... then no thank you. Tired of cop-out signings.

Haddock 07-07-2006 11:36 AM

We have the best line two center in the league, his name is Saku Koivu.
We need a real first center first and foremost.

frolov_kovalev* 07-07-2006 11:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Haddock (Post 5954011)
We have the best line two center in the league, his name is Saku Koivu.
We need a real first center first and foremost.

why don't we try Mike Peca then at a 1yr 1 mil, he could be a bargain.

BigTimer* 07-07-2006 11:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by frolov_kovalev (Post 5954018)
why don't we try Mike Peca then at a 1yr 1 mil, he could be a bargain.

Because Peca is worse than Koivu and you're dreaming in technicolor if you think Peca would want less than 3.5 million for a 1 year deal.

Jean_Jacket41 07-07-2006 11:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sXe (Post 5953990)
Perez > Sykora
Kost > Samsonov

For a fraction of the price.

:eek: and :biglaugh:

NORiculous 07-07-2006 11:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sXe (Post 5953990)
Perez > Sykora
Kost > Samsonov

For a fraction of the price.

Long term, maybe.

Right now I think a 1 year deal to Samsonov would help.
It might be worth waiting to see who is in cap trouble at the start of the season before making a move however.

jcpenny 07-07-2006 11:59 AM

We dont need to sign any of these guys, i would love a veteran presence la Shanahan no less.

Dr. Charles 07-07-2006 12:01 PM

Sykora could make a difference
we could miss the playoffs easily with him in the line-up:handclap:

sXe 07-07-2006 12:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NORiculous (Post 5954271)
Long term, maybe.

Right now I think a 1 year deal to Samsonov would help.
It might be worth waiting to see who is in cap trouble at the start of the season before making a move however.

Yes, long-term. Somewhere at the beginning of October.

Netro 07-07-2006 12:54 PM

I don't think there is a need for both Samsonov and Sykora.

I personally think Samsonov is a good move for the Habs. Yes, he is only 5-8 but he is 194 pounds. He is a good skater and skilled with the puck. He is turning only 28 this fall, and really is entering the prime of his career.

His career regular season stats are below:
Year Team GP G A Pts
1997-1998 BOS 81 22 25 47
1998-1999 BOS 79 25 26 51
1999-2000 BOS 77 19 26 45
2000-2001 BOS 82 29 46 75
2001-2002 BOS 74 29 41 70
2002-2003 BOS 8 5 6 11 8
2003-2004 BOS 58 17 23 40
2005-2006 B/E 74 23 30 53

Career postseason stats:
2005-2006 Oilers 24 4 11 15
2003-2004 Bruins 7 2 5 7
2002-2003 Bruins 5 0 2 2
2001-2002 Bruins 6 2 2 4
1998-1999 Bruins 11 3 1 4
1997-1998 Bruins 6 2 5 7

He is the the kind of player that should thrive in the new NHL. I also think he would like good as the LW on a line with Kovalev at RW.

I think a 2 or 3 year deal, at proper dollars, would be terrific. If he wants too much then goom-bye.

SOLR 07-07-2006 01:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NORiculous (Post 5954271)
Long term, maybe.

Right now I think a 1 year deal to Samsonov would help.
It might be worth waiting to see who is in cap trouble at the start of the season before making a move however.

I think right now and long term.

alexstream 07-07-2006 01:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sXe (Post 5953990)
Perez > Sykora
Kost > Samsonov

For a fraction of the price.

:bow:

Astaroth 07-07-2006 01:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sXe (Post 5953990)
Perez > Sykora
Kost > Samsonov

For a fraction of the price.

Yeah right, Sykora is still twice the player Perezhogin is despite 2 off-years. Until Perez can actually show he can score, he's useless to us. People remember the strong play during playoffs (no scoring) but forget the complete dissapearing act that he pulled after the first 15 games. He's got potential but until he actually puts it together, it's nothing but dreaming.

Kost has great potential, greater than Perez but he's still way too raw to start next year and to even compare him to a proven scorer like Samsonov is indicative the HF bias in favour of prospects. Samsonov is an easy 30 goal, 65-70 points guy who would go a long way to solidify our top 6. Problem is, we'd have to overpay because lots of teams in the running for him.

SOLR 07-07-2006 01:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Astaroth (Post 5954999)
Yeah right, Sykora is still twice the player Perezhogin is despite 2 off-years. Until Perez can actually show he can score, he's useless to us. People remember the strong play during playoffs (no scoring) but forget the complete dissapearing act that he pulled after the first 15 games. He's got potential but until he actually puts it together, it's nothing but dreaming.

Kost has great potential, greater than Perez but he's still way too raw to start next year and to even compare him to a proven scorer like Samsonov is indicative the HF bias in favour of prospects. Samsonov is an easy 30 goal, 65-70 points guy who would go a long way to solidify our top 6. Problem is, we'd have to overpay because lots of teams in the running for him.

Theres is a bias because a lot of people think its the best strategy for the Montreal Canadiens to build from within instead of getting push-over hockey players on the down side of their career. If you dont understand yet, we are not shooting for the stanley cup during the 2006-2007 season.

Stop calling bias an opinion that is not yours. Thank you.

Astaroth 07-07-2006 02:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SOLR (Post 5955408)
Theres is a bias because a lot of people think its the best strategy for the Montreal Canadiens to build from within instead of getting push-over hockey players on the down side of their career. If you dont understand yet, we are not shooting for the stanley cup during the 2006-2007 season.

Stop calling bias an opinion that is not yours. Thank you.

Then say they are better developemental assets, because they are not better hockey players. And while Sykora is on the downside, Samsonov is still in his prime.

Also it's not by signing Samsonov that we'll win the cup, it's about making the playoffs at this point. Because if we start with the current line-up we have, we're going to struggle to make it.

NORiculous 07-07-2006 02:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sXe (Post 5953990)
Perez > Sykora
Kost > Samsonov

For a fraction of the price.

Quote:

Originally Posted by sXe (Post 5954610)
Yes, long-term. Somewhere at the beginning of October.

:biglaugh:

A convinced fan, nothing better than that. But I think Samsonov is a very good player.

Team_Spirit 07-07-2006 02:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Astaroth (Post 5954999)
Yeah right, Sykora is still twice the player Perezhogin is despite 2 off-years. Until Perez can actually show he can score, he's useless to us. People remember the strong play during playoffs (no scoring) but forget the complete dissapearing act that he pulled after the first 15 games. He's got potential but until he actually puts it together, it's nothing but dreaming.

Kost has great potential, greater than Perez but he's still way too raw to start next year and to even compare him to a proven scorer like Samsonov is indicative the HF bias in favour of prospects. Samsonov is an easy 30 goal, 65-70 points guy who would go a long way to solidify our top 6. Problem is, we'd have to overpay because lots of teams in the running for him.

Thing is Sykora or Sammy would take a spot from one of them and they would end up playing with Radek Bonk or in the stands. We all saw what Higgins did when he got ice time with Koivu and PP time. Same apply to Perez and Kosty , you cant keep them on the 4th line forever hoping they go on a rempage with 6min of ice time 5on5.

Like jcpenney said get a real force ala Shanahan or pass.

SOLR 07-07-2006 02:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Astaroth (Post 5955511)
Then say they are better developemental assets, because they are not better hockey players. And while Sykora is on the downside, Samsonov is still in his prime.

Also it's not by signing Samsonov that we'll win the cup, it's about making the playoffs at this point. Because if we start with the current line-up we have, we're going to struggle to make it.

Whats so impressive about Samsonov? Too me hes Audette revisited with a bigger pricetag. Again he was totally invisible when it was important in the final. We have done those kind of bad moves from 1995 to 2001, where are we today?

Our prospects are better assets and could already possibly fill the same role, cheaper + it would be good for them in the long term, gaining confidence and experience.

SOLR 07-07-2006 02:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jozeph_Balej (Post 5955831)
Thing is Sykora or Sammy would take a spot from one of them and they would end up playing with Radek Bonk or in the stands. We all saw what Higgins did when he got ice time with Koivu and PP time. Same apply to Perez and Kosty , you cant keep them on the 4th line forever hoping they go on a rempage with 6min of ice time 5on5.

Like jcpenney said get a real force ala Shanahan or pass.

The value of Shanahan isnt even in is production I think. Hes a pro and a good teacher. Would be very good for guys that are borderlines in their training habits like Ribeiro.

LeMAD 07-07-2006 02:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sXe (Post 5953990)
Perez > Sykora
Kost > Samsonov

For a fraction of the price.

Perezhogin may actually be better than Sykora, who's barely good enough for the nhl. But, while i'm not a big fan of Samsonov, he's still better in the nhl that Kostitsyn is in the ahl...

jcpenny 07-07-2006 02:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SOLR (Post 5955849)
Whats so impressive about Samsonov? Too me hes Audette revisited with a bigger pricetag. Again he was totally invisible when it was important in the final. We have done those kind of bad moves from 1995 to 2001, where are we today?

Our prospects are better assets and could already possibly fill the same role, cheaper + it would be good for them in the long term, gaining confidence and experience.

Well said but it doesnt matter, all people think about here is signing a UFA whoever he might be.


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