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turnbuckle* 07-08-2006 07:15 PM

Using 2002 as a guide for Kostitsyn
 
Let's have a look at prospects from the 2002 draft:

Slater
Ward
Toivunen
Higgins
Ballard
Upshall
whitney
Steen
Gordon
Eminger
Lehtonen

All enjoyed their first full seasons of 'NHL action in 2005-06, four seasons after being drafted.



Bergenheim
Grebeshkov
Babchuck
Paille
Klepis
Eager
Nystrom

all have seen NHL action, but still striving to be regulars.



Niinimaki
Koreis
Taticek
Johansson
Morris
Vagner

Not the cream of the crop; too early to give up on them (except Vagner), but they're all question marks to make the NHL.


So - 24 out of 30 players drafted were not NHL regulars in the first three seasons after the 2002 draft. Some of the numbers may be off because of the strike, but it's safe to say few would have been regulars in 2004.

So now we come to the case of a 21-year-old Belarussian who some think should be considered bust material because he wasn't an NHL regular in the first three seasons after his draft. A young man adapting to a new language, North American hockey and culture, a young man two or three years younger than the average age for prospects to crack an NHL lineup on a regular basis, yet he is considered by some to be a bust.

Komisarek didn't becoem a regular until 2005-06, his fifth year after being drafted - Perezhogin still isn't a regular and he is entering his sixth season after being drafted; Hainsey took six seasons to see regualr duty, same with Marcel Hossa.


Patience is a virtue folks.

Top Corner2 07-08-2006 08:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by turnbuckle (Post 5966381)
Let's have a look at prospects from the 2002 draft:

Slater
Ward
Toivunen
Higgins
Ballard
Upshall
whitney
Steen
Gordon
Eminger
Lehtonen

All enjoyed their first full seasons of 'NHL action in 2005-06, four seasons after being drafted.



Bergenheim
Grebeshkov
Babchuck
Paille
Klepis
Eager
Nystrom

all have seen NHL action, but still striving to be regulars.



Niinimaki
Koreis
Taticek
Johansson
Morris
Vagner

Not the cream of the crop; too early to give up on them (except Vagner), but they're all question marks to make the NHL.


So - 24 out of 30 players drafted were not NHL regulars in the first three seasons after the 2002 draft. Some of the numbers may be off because of the strike, but it's safe to say few would have been regulars in 2004.

So now we come to the case of a 21-year-old Belarussian who some think should be considered bust material because he wasn't an NHL regular in the first three seasons after his draft. A young man adapting to a new language, North American hockey and culture, a young man two or three years younger than the average age for prospects to crack an NHL lineup on a regular basis, yet he is considered by some to be a bust.

Komisarek didn't becoem a regular until 2005-06, his fifth year after being drafted - Perezhogin still isn't a regular and he is entering his sixth season after being drafted; Hainsey took six seasons to see regualr duty, same with Marcel Hossa.


Patience is a virtue folks.

You're bang on.

I think a lot of people that want us to rush our prospects don't realize what a few years in the minors will do for a prospect. It enables them to work on skills that they would not be working on in the pros. They learn to make that extra move take, that extra look and build a repetoire of skills that in the NHL they wouldn't have time for (faster pace).

That's why guys like Legwand and Steffan get stuck and become predictable and thus defensable. Some guys can make the jump and keep progressing but it's safer to have prospects take their time in the minors.

goalchenyuk 07-08-2006 09:08 PM

Latendresse didn't play yet in the NHL !!!!:madfire:

He 's a bust !!!:arr:

:sarcasm:

JohnnyReb 07-09-2006 12:05 PM

Of course, another way to look at it would be that 8 of the 9 players drafted ahead of him in the first round are regulars (in some cases superstars), and 14 of the 20 players drafted after him are also regulars.

So 22 of the 30 players drafted in the same round as Kostiysin have reached the show quicker than our supposed "best player in the draft."

Taupy 07-09-2006 12:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JohnnyReb (Post 5970564)
Of course, another way to look at it would be that 8 of the 9 players drafted ahead of him in the first round are regulars (in some cases superstars), and 14 of the 20 players drafted after him are also regulars.

So 22 of the 30 players drafted in the same round as Kostiysin have reached the show quicker than our supposed "best player in the draft."

Have you even seen him play this year? You can't deny that he has the skill and it was only a question of no room for him because of the like of Zednik, Bulis, Sunny.

If he can't make the team this year, yes we will have the reason to start to panic, but I'm not even worried about it, I know he'll do it.

SOLR 07-09-2006 12:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JohnnyReb (Post 5970564)
Of course, another way to look at it would be that 8 of the 9 players drafted ahead of him in the first round are regulars (in some cases superstars), and 14 of the 20 players drafted after him are also regulars.

So 22 of the 30 players drafted in the same round as Kostiysin have reached the show quicker than our supposed "best player in the draft."

Epilepsia ring a bell? Since day 1 of the draft, the habs direction always said kost would be longer than the others to developt. There wasnt any hiding. From what I have seen last year, the guy is ready and he will make an impact, too bad Ribeiro will still be in the neutral zone while Kost and Kovalev will be on attack! :biglaugh:

Dwight 07-09-2006 12:15 PM

He is ready this year. He showed it last year

JohnnyReb 07-09-2006 12:19 PM

Epilepsy is not a concern for 99% of the people who have it, including several current NHL players (like Derek Morris). Furthermore, Kostisyin's epilepsy occurs almost exclusively when he is sleeping.

Epilepsy does not stop you from training, it has no impact on your hockey sense, your hands or your skating. For most people with epilepsy you don't even know they are having a seizure, they just look like they are day dreaming (grand mal versus petite mal).

It's not a valid excuse to describe his slow progress, compared to his peers in that draft group.

Also, "too many people in front of him" is a poor excuse as well. The Habs needed, and need, offense. If they thought for a second Kostitsyin would provide it, they would have given him a spot on the roster. They had no qualms about benching Sundstrom for long stretches, I don't see why they wouldn't have done it for somebody else.

I like Kosts, but he didn't light it up in the AHL, and he did nothing special that warranted the Habs giving him a spot on the team. In fact, it would not surprise me in the least if he doesn't start the season with the team this year (unless waiver eligibility is an issue).

SOLR 07-09-2006 12:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JohnnyReb (Post 5970675)
Also, "too many people in front of him" is a poor excuse as well. The Habs needed, and need, offense. If they thought for a second Kostitsyin would provide it, they would have given him a spot on the roster. They had no qualms about benching Sundstrom for long stretches, I don't see why they wouldn't have done it for somebody else.

Thats just not true. The habs do respect some form of hierarchy, thats why Lats was sent back in the Q last year. Boston, Phily would have gave him the 10 games tryout. Thats just an example, but I think Perezhogin was protected last year. Having Kost surpass him would have been bad for his confidence level.(And Kost would have surpassed Perez imo). AHL stats, please please, stop with that already, its means very little.

1) Bulldogs was a bad team
2) He never had a stable line with the dogs, and Edmonton played yo-yo all year too. The chemistry of the team was just bad.
3) Was called up 2-3 times.(Moral up and downs)
4) He did more ppg than Higgins in his last season even with 1,2,3 factored in.

About Epilepsy: That was just an extra factor in developping him. Giving him confidence this decease wouldnt come in the way of his career etc.


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