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felixd 07-15-2006 03:23 PM

Johnson; 2nd line center?
 
I looked around for a thread like this but couldn't find one, do you guys think BG got Johnson to play on the 2nd line, or at leat push Ribeiro HARD for that spot?(Could be an very nifty strategy, if you get some real competition for Ribeiro for that 2nd line spot, you get both players playing better instead of merely being satisifed with a guaranteed top 6 spot)
If you look at Johnson and Ribeiro's two best seasons, they are eerily similar in terms of goals and points, and between Samsonov and Kovalev, I doubt Johnson would have trouble getting 60 points again.

Anyways, a little internal competition is always a good thing and I wouldn't be surprised seeing Johnson center our 2nd line at times this season.

sXe 07-15-2006 03:27 PM

Yeah, a thread discussing our 2nd line center, we haven't seen those in a while.

the Maniac 07-15-2006 03:30 PM

Mike Johnson is, of course, listed as a RW (no mention he's played centre - anyone know better?) but it would be intriguing to at least try him out as the second line centre... however, I'd prefer, personally, to keep him on the third line and go out and trade to get Robert Lang (experience, both in the league and, especially, with Kovy ;) )... or, at the very least give Ribeiro one final chance at redemption...

znk 07-15-2006 03:32 PM

well...Gainey said in his press conference that he saw him as a 3rd line right winger.
Carbo said he was a 3rd 4th line guy in his mind.

felixd 07-15-2006 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by sXe (Post 6032848)
Yeah, a thread discussing our 2nd line center, we haven't seen those in a while.

I meant one discussing Johnson specifically as our 2nd line center.

And, I'm pretty sure on TSN's profile, he is listed as C/RW

sXe 07-15-2006 03:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by felixd (Post 6032883)
I meant one discussing Johnson specifically as our 2nd line center.

And, I'm pretty sure on TSN's profile, he is listed as C/RW

Wich implies replacing Ribeiro, wich implies a debate between Ribs vs. Any player, wich has been done to death.
If Ribs falters or is injuried he may get a try. But from Carbo's mouth he is slated as the 3rd line rw and Ribs is still our 2nd line C.

Squeaky 07-15-2006 03:49 PM

This has been covered before. The GM and the Coach have both publically said they view him as a bottom-6 player, and a winger. He's listed as a center/winger, but really he's a winger. He has quite a bit more experience on the wing.

Artyukhin* 07-15-2006 03:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by znk (Post 6032881)
well...Gainey said in his press conference that he saw him as a 3rd line right winger.
Carbo said he was a 3rd 4th line guy in his mind.



yes and remember steve begin was a 4th liner who gainey had playing on the second line at times last year :) :) :)


things change rapidly .injuries and players struggling etc

it wouldnt suprise me if ribs isnt cutting it or cant keep up they try johnson between sammy and kovy. or they move up pleks on the second line to center kovy /sammy or sammy/ johnson or kovy/ johnson


johnson has the skill enuff to play along side Ladislav Nagy in phx .
many said when he was put on a line where guy's were struggling he jumps starts the entire line



for everyone who hasnt seen him play clic on recent video's you can see johnson first hand .2 pages worth of his goals

to increse the screen size wait till it starts to play and right clic on the video and clic on zoom .

http://www.nhl.com/players/8466109.html





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Teufelsdreck 07-15-2006 05:25 PM

I don't think Gainey and Carbonneau could make it any clearer: Johnson will play at right wing, and he won't replace Ryder or Kovalev.

the Maniac 07-15-2006 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Teufelsdreck (Post 6033762)
I don't think Gainey and Carbonneau could make it any clearer: Johnson will play at right wing, and he won't replace Ryder or Kovalev.

Well... that clears it all up :yo:

Perhaps, if not Ribs... then Plekanec would be more than capable to play with the big boys (Sammy and Kovy) IMO... allowing a defensive presense on an otherwise offensely gifted line... relegating Ribs to centreing Johnson and who? Perez, Kost?

toshiro 07-15-2006 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by doug mckenzie (Post 6033064)
yes and remember steve begin was a 4th liner who gainey had playing on the second line at times last year :) :) :)


things change rapidly .injuries and players struggling etc

it wouldnt suprise me if ribs isnt cutting it or cant keep up they try johnson between sammy and kovy. or they move up pleks on the second line to center kovy /sammy or sammy/ johnson or kovy/ johnson


johnson has the skill enuff to play along side Ladislav Nagy in phx .
many said when he was put on a line where guy's were struggling he jumps starts the entire line
Almost all of his goals were in front of the net.


for everyone who hasnt seen him play clic on recent video's you can see johnson first hand .2 pages worth of his goals

to increse the screen size wait till it starts to play and right clic on the video and clic on zoom .

http://www.nhl.com/players/8466109.html





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KaptainKourage* 07-15-2006 05:39 PM

Johnson can play wing, Ribeiro cant.

/close thread

F. Duchemin 07-15-2006 05:50 PM

Dont be so sure markov79... you dont know if a center is gonna be injured and maybe johnson will fill in and do a great job and after they wont broke the lines.

dude_guy9 07-15-2006 06:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by the Maniac (Post 6032869)
Mike Johnson is, of course, listed as a RW (no mention he's played centre - anyone know better?) but it would be intriguing to at least try him out as the second line centre... however, I'd prefer, personally, to keep him on the third line and go out and trade to get Robert Lang (experience, both in the league and, especially, with Kovy ;) )... or, at the very least give Ribeiro one final chance at redemption...


Lang would be a great fit, but along with his talent he also carries a $3.8 million contract. Trading for him might also be tough, sure Aebischer would fit great in Detroit but who else would we give up

SuperUnknown 07-15-2006 06:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by znk (Post 6032881)
well...Gainey said in his press conference that he saw him as a 3rd line right winger.
Carbo said he was a 3rd 4th line guy in his mind.

I don't see how a 60+ points guy can only be a 3rd/4th liner. :dunno:

sXe 07-15-2006 06:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Smail (Post 6034083)
I don't see how a 60+ points guy can only be a 3rd/4th liner. :dunno:

I don't think he was on the 3rd line in Phoenix. We just have better depth.

znk 07-15-2006 06:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Smail (Post 6034083)
I don't see how a 60+ points guy can only be a 3rd/4th liner. :dunno:

He's replacing Bulis. I hope you dont want to put him ahead of Kovalev and Ryder.
Our 3rd line will kick ***.

KaptainKourage* 07-15-2006 06:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by F. Duchemin (Post 6033927)
Dont be so sure markov79... you dont know if a center is gonna be injured and maybe johnson will fill in and do a great job and after they wont broke the lines.

Ribeiro injured ? Ok, put Plek as 2nd center then. Plek too ? Then Bonk. We're too much stacked at C to use Johnson at this position, he is fine at wing.

the Maniac 07-15-2006 09:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dude_guy9 (Post 6034026)
Lang would be a great fit, but along with his talent he also carries a $3.8 million contract. Trading for him might also be tough, sure Aebischer would fit great in Detroit but who else would we give up

As to who else we'd give up... Let me direct you to an earlier thread I posted:
http://hfboards.com/showthread.php?t=271553

Notice the salaries? Makes sense to me... You?

Garnett 07-16-2006 11:06 AM

Gainey
 
I think its pretty clear Gainey added positional depth. Why did the Habs lose in the first round in the playoffs? The loss of Koivu and no one could replace him. Begin played on the first line. Depth at center was the weakest position in Montreal last year. Now Koivu, Ribs, Pleks, Begin, Bonk and Johnson can play center. My worry is if 2-3 D-men get injuried, Montreal has a lack of depth in that position.

Mike8 07-16-2006 11:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Garnett (Post 6037927)
I think its pretty clear Gainey added positional depth. Why did the Habs lose in the first round in the playoffs? The loss of Koivu and no one could replace him. Begin played on the first line. Depth at center was the weakest position in Montreal last year. Now Koivu, Ribs, Pleks, Begin, Bonk and Johnson can play center. My worry is if 2-3 D-men get injuried, Montreal has a lack of depth in that position.

Every team has a lack of depth in this new NHL.

tmc 07-16-2006 11:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by the Maniac (Post 6035100)
As to who else we'd give up... Let me direct you to an earlier thread I posted:
http://hfboards.com/showthread.php?t=271553

Notice the salaries? Makes sense to me... You?

no it does not make sense did you read the replies from the wings fans, if they trade lang it's to shed salary and because they have too many centers why would they take on as much salary and receive a center back?

Habsy 07-16-2006 11:15 AM

Mike Johnson is a natural center that was moved to RW. There is no reason to doubt Carbo/Gainey when they say he will be a bottom 6 guy. What he is though is insurance in case of injury. When Koivu goes down, we suck. At least we have someone that can step in for a few games at center if we need him to.

turnbuckle* 07-16-2006 11:15 AM

I think the important thing to remember is that Gainey said he would be played on right wing. that would lead me to believe he will be playing.....right wing.

optimus2861 07-16-2006 11:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Garnett (Post 6037927)
I think its pretty clear Gainey added positional depth. Why did the Habs lose in the first round in the playoffs? The loss of Koivu and no one could replace him.

It was less that nobody could replace Koivu on the ice, more that Koivu is the heart & soul of the club, and the team played without said heart & soul much like any human being would play when deprived of its vital organs. Somewhere around the level of zombie. Note that Koivu spoke to the team in the locker room prior to game 6, and the team responded with its best effort in the entire series, ultimately coming up short.

The Canadiens have had this habit for some time, of wilting when confronted with key injuries rather than rallying. When Koivu, Kovalev, or Markov was down last season, the team stunk. This is a mindset I'm hoping the new coaching staff can purge from the squad for good.


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