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NewHabsEra* 07-17-2006 02:42 AM

I try to figure how the Habs cannot be the best team in the league.. And I just cant.
 
When your third line can play, even outplay any top lines in the league, you are in business... (Pleks vs Stall as exemple) Its Perezhogin's blossoming year centered by a kid who can be a solid second line center in the league, its quite obvious, give Pleks more offensive responsabilities and enjoy.. he did pretty well the few times when used on PP... Add a signifiant improvement over Zednik on this line in Jonhson and you get one of the best third line in the league if not the best one...

Is it useful to compare what impact will Samsonov have on the second line over Bulis? The weakest link on the line is obviously Ribs but any players would look good between such skilled wingers, even Bulis would look fine... At least Ribs is rather cheap if you compare him to Savard, which one will have a hard time to justify his big fat contract with the Bruins... Ribs has some superb stickhandling skills, Im sure he will do fine but the org wont be patient, Bonk and Grabovski will be there to challenge the second line center spot.. I hope Ribs like the pressure cause he will be well served...

The most interesting fight should be between Ryder and Kostitsyn, Higgins proved what he can do on the first line, great chimestry with Koivu while Ryder's unconsistency, lack of hockey sense and limited pure overall skills should play against him.. Kostitsyn will have to prove he can put the puck in the net like Ryder always found a way to, but the young Belarussian is just an alot more skilled hockey player.. Its all about how confident Kostitsyn will be IMO.

Our fourth line is great as well, alot of heart and determination...

Offensively, this team is gonna be much much better than last year, we have great depth players that will challenge for some spots. Can Koivu have a worst season than the last one? Will he be healthy for the most part of the season? thats what could cost us some spots in the standing IMO. Im confident that our captain will have a strong season...

Our defense lack an elite puckmover able to handle the powerplay greatly but we still have Souray and Markov doing a fine job... We have 6 pretty solid defensemans doing a great overall job, Komi is gonna get even better...

2 solid goaltenders doing everything to be in the net as much as possible...

Every teams have their weakness but our team will be extremmely fast, skilled with a great mix of solid vets and underrated kids...

Unexperimented but how much dynamic coatching staff!

Its our year, mark my words!

tml_4ever 07-17-2006 02:47 AM

My, aren't you an optimistic one eh O_o

Kimota 07-17-2006 02:49 AM

Maybe you should compare them with all the line-ups of all the teams in the league and then make a judgement.

RedArmyMontreal* 07-17-2006 02:54 AM

Well we're far from being perfect. But it's certainly no comparaison to around 99-00 :).

Ribeiro definately need to be upgraded,

Huet can be a good #1 but he has flaws and he's no Brodeur.

And Komisarek has a lot to prove still, I just feel overall our D could be a little better with the addition of a shutdown D ala Hannan or Mckee.

There's a couples of teams I'd think have a better shot at the cup then montreal for the coming year.

Anaheim, Ottowa(if we ignore the fact they are a bunch of chokers, same could be said for SJ), Calgary, San Jose, Carolina, NYR, Dallas and maybe Atlanta & Minnesota(I believe they may both have a decent shot this year)

NewHabsEra* 07-17-2006 02:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Kimota (Post 6044027)
Maybe you should compare them with all the line-ups of all the teams in the league and then make a judgement.

The key is our emerging kids, badly underrated for years...

Kimota 07-17-2006 03:07 AM

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Originally Posted by NewHabsArea (Post 6044044)
The key is our emerging kids, badly underrated for years...

I can see that. But there`s not a lot of spot for them this year. I see this emergeance happening in a year or two.

InGaineyWeTrust* 07-17-2006 03:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Philipos_19 (Post 6044042)
Well we're far from being perfect. But it's certainly no comparaison to around 99-00 :).

Ribeiro definately need to be upgraded,

Huet can be a good #1 but he has flaws and he's no Brodeur.

And Komisarek has a lot to prove still, I just feel overall our D could be a little better with the addition of a shutdown D ala Hannan or Mckee.

There's a couples of teams I'd think have a better shot at the cup then montreal for the coming year.

Anaheim, Ottowa(if we ignore the fact they are a bunch of chokers, same could be said for SJ), Calgary, San Jose, Carolina, NYR, Dallas and maybe Atlanta & Minnesota(I believe they may both have a decent shot this year)

I doubt any of the bold teams will contedn, especially the rangers, do you really think shanahan can carry this team to a cup:confused:

RedArmyMontreal* 07-17-2006 03:25 AM

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Originally Posted by in gainey we trust (Post 6044097)
I doubt any of the bold teams will contedn, especially the rangers, do you really think shanahan can carry this team to a cup:confused:

They solidified their D by adding Ward and Lundqvist is a solid goalie, even if he had a poor playoffs run last year.

Minnesota i'm not sure at all... but i'm convinced Atlanta will make it in this year and could surprises peoples.

Narg98 07-17-2006 04:48 AM

I do believe we have a solid team this year, it've been long since we got a team that good but don't think we will own ever teams, I see us around the 5th rank in the east, 4th if we are lucky and everyone is playing at their real potential.

But watching the playoff will be way more intersting now. We have to hope, even if I don't like him much, for a great return of Koivu, with no more injuries this year ^^ !

Naoned 07-17-2006 05:33 AM

Quote:

I try to figure how the Habs cannot be the best team in the league.. And I just cant.
Then try again. We're not.

Sthabs 07-17-2006 05:46 AM

i believe that if this team shows up everynight, play together,play a full 60min with heart and passion, we ll go far !

warsawyak 07-17-2006 06:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Philipos_19 (Post 6044042)
Ribeiro definately need to be upgraded

Gui. Enough said.

RedArmyMontreal* 07-17-2006 06:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by warsawyak (Post 6044316)
Gui. Enough said.

Gui is a winger unfortunately. I could see him taking Samsonov spot in 2 years.

Tuggy 07-17-2006 06:46 AM

:snide:

Nice laugh for a Monday morning.

SOLR 07-17-2006 07:16 AM

I think its fair to be optimist, I foresee a great season start. How good we will be at the end of the season will be measured by our performance in the December-January timeframe where we usually have an hard time. (The usual bysmal xmas trip!)

The dev camp showed Lats might be on his way to at least the 10 games tryout period. He will then need to perform above his head in those 10 games to force a trade. It would surprise me, but its not completely out of the question imo. Radek Bonk will be the one gone if Lats makes a place for himself. The Johnson trade open up the possibility of trading Bonk, since he can play center. Lats would be a 4th liner in the first year, with some spots on the top9-6 when injuries occurs. Ferland the 14th forward. Downey will be there when we need some big bodies in the winter.

The team will be in very good position the day Ryder plays on the 3rd line and Kost won his spot on the first line. Ryder-Pleck-Perez could score some goals and Ryder still be used as a PP specialist, a possible 30 goal scorer on the 3rd line, wow just wow!. Now you ask, why Kost on the first line? More goals in 5v5 than Ryder, something very important for a first line. I also hope we start using Kost on the point on the PVP a.s.a.p. But for all that to happen he(Kost) needs a stellar camp of course. All this will more likely happen in the 2nd half of the season. Kost might have to play in the AHL some more in the early months of the season.

Then something relatively big might happen in the middle of the winter to trade some expandable assets. All those teams with a bad start of the year might start "selling" some assets.

I see Johnson pushing Rib a lot for his spot, not Pleckanec imo, whos so confortable with Perezhogin.

If we stay healthy= position 3-6th in the conf imo. We can do better if we are better in the winter months around xmas, but I wont bank on it, at least not this year. Maybe next one, with that extra asset in the middle.

Teufelsdreck 07-17-2006 08:26 AM

What's stopping the Habs from being the best in the NHL? Just one thing: Other teams have players who are better able to score in the clutch, kill crucial penalties, and stop potentially game-ending goals. It would be nice to have been able to draft Ovechkin, Staal, Phaneuf, among others.

Beakermania* 07-17-2006 08:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kimota (Post 6044076)
I can see that. But there`s not a lot of spot for them this year. I see this emergeance happening in a year or two.

Our Kids are already emerging. Ryder has come through big time to be our leading goal scorer. Higgins, Komi, Plekanec, Perezhogin will be better with one more year of experience behind them. Kostitsyn will make the team. Ribeiro as maligned as he is (and I'm no fan) played great the last 1/4 of the season. I'm willing to see if he can play with passion and defensive responsibility come october.

Emerging Kids doesn't always mean rookies. You can't always count on Rookies but look at guy who are young and coming into their own now with experience behind them.

wedge 07-17-2006 08:36 AM

for the first time in years, I love our line-up. We have a lot of depht, we have talent, etc... Of course, a power forward would be useful but I still think that our speed will kill some teams.

Even if I love the line-up, I have to admit that we don't have a Sakic, a Iginla or a Staal. It will hurt us many times. But I'm sure we'll make the playoffs, around the 6th spot. And we could surprise in the playoffs because of our speed and our depht.

Tuggy 07-17-2006 08:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ryderama (Post 6044534)
for the first time in years, I love our line-up. We have a lot of depht, we have talent, etc... Of course, a power forward would be useful but I still think that our speed will kill some teams.

Even if I love the line-up, I have to admit that we don't have a Sakic, a Iginla or a Staal. It will hurt us many times. But I'm sure we'll make the playoffs, around the 6th spot. And we could surprise in the playoffs because of our speed and our depht.

This is pretty much how I feel.

I like our team alot and I think they are setup well to excel in the "new" NHL. As long as the game is the same next season, then we should compete.

ti-vite 07-17-2006 08:40 AM

I love NHA threads on monday morning!:yo:

/speculation on /big timer thrashing coming soon/speculation off/

Dwight 07-17-2006 08:43 AM

We could be the best, we have the potential to be the best. Gainey has built our team for the "new" NHL.

Teufelsdreck 07-17-2006 08:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Beakermania (Post 6044515)
Our Kids are already emerging. Ryder has come through big time to be our leading goal scorer. Higgins, Komi, Plekanec, Perezhogin will be better with one more year of experience behind them. Kostitsyn will make the team. Ribeiro as maligned as he is (and I'm no fan) played great the last 1/4 of the season. I'm willing to see if he can play with passion and defensive responsibility come october.

Emerging Kids doesn't always mean rookies. You can't always count on Rookies but look at guy who are young and coming into their own now with experience behind them.

Better than what? Where do Higgins, Komi, Plekanec, Perezhogin, Kostitsyn, and Ribeiro rank in the league? I'd rather start with a base of Crosby, Malkin, M-A Fleury, and J. Staal, for example.

habfan4 07-17-2006 09:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NewHabsArea (Post 6044006)
I try to figure how the Habs cannot be the best team in the league.. And I just cant.

Try Harder :shakehead

Tuggy 07-17-2006 09:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Teufelsdreck (Post 6044589)
Better than what? Where do Higgins, Komi, Plekanec, Perezhogin, Kostitsyn, and Ribeiro rank in the league? I'd rather start with a base of Crosby, Malkin, M-A Fleury, and J. Staal, for example.

Would ya? I'd rather not finish last place for 10 years running.

AH 07-17-2006 09:20 AM

This is retarded.


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