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montreal25m 07-17-2006 08:46 AM

higgins as Center...
 
Just reading tsn.ca and they have a section called numbers game...and they mention the possibility of moving Higgins to center. He did play center his whole life until being drafted by the habs. Anyway, I wonder if the brass is considering it behind the scenes....

Ryder Koivu Kost
Samsonov Higgins Kovalev
Johnson Pleckanec Murray
Begin Bonk Downey

I just don't like the idea of Ribs on the second line...if we can move him.... In addition, Kots has to be on the team this year...he need the opportunity to play at least 40 games on the 1st or second line to see what he is capable of... Anyway, just throwing this out there ...

gars59 07-17-2006 08:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by montreal25m (Post 6044828)
Just reading tsn.ca and they have a section called numbers game...and they mention the possibility of moving Higgins to center. He did play center his whole life until being drafted by the habs. Anyway, I wonder if the brass is considering it behind the scenes....

Ryder Koivu Kost
Samsonov Higgins Kovalev
Johnson Pleckanec Murray
Begin Bonk Downey

I just don't like the idea of Ribs on the second line...if we can move him.... In addition, Kots has to be on the team this year...he need the opportunity to play at least 40 games on the 1st or second line to see what he is capable of... Anyway, just throwing this out there ...

perezhogin, :dunno:

Ryder Koivu Kost
Samsonov Higgins Kovalev
Johnson Pleckanec Perezhogin
Begin Bonk Murray
Downe

like this team

montreal25m 07-17-2006 08:55 AM

sorry...
 
I knew i was missing someone..yeah..Johnson, Pleks, Perez on the 3rd line...

DerekT 07-17-2006 08:56 AM

Never count out, RIBEIROV!

Dutch 07-17-2006 09:01 AM

We need to start training Higgins as a Center. Not only to take Ribs spot, but in case of an injury to Koivu, we're in deep trouble. Having Plek and Ribs as out 2 centers scares the hell out of me, not that Plek is bad, but not ready yet.

And we have enough wingers in our prospects to take Higgins place on the Koivu line.

But yeah, I'll give a chance to Ribeiro as the center with Samso and Kovy at the begining of the season. With those two guys, there's no way he can't produce.

montreal25m 07-17-2006 09:03 AM

Ribs...
 
You know what..he probably would put up 65 pts there...but he will be terrible defensively and I just don't see us going deep in the playoffs with this kid in the line-up. With Higgins as our second line center..at least we now have some grit on that line and some defensive awareness so samsonov and Kovalev can do there thing....

SOLR 07-17-2006 09:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Dutch (Post 6044910)
We need to start training Higgins as a Center. Not only to take Ribs spot, but in case of an injury to Koivu, we're in deep trouble. Having Plek and Ribs as out 2 centers scares the hell out of me, not that Plek is bad, but not ready yet.

And we have enough wingers in our prospects to take Higgins place on the Koivu line.

But yeah, I'll give a chance to Ribeiro as the center with Samso and Kovy at the begining of the season. With those two guys, there's no way he can't produce.

If he doesnt, chow bye kkthx!

Top Corner2 07-17-2006 09:05 AM

I think Higgins is exactly the type of center that would compliment Kovy and Samsonov well. Let's see how Ribs does first though. I think it's possible for Higgins to move back to Center.

SOLR 07-17-2006 09:06 AM

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Originally Posted by montreal25m (Post 6044923)
You know what..he probably would put up 65 pts there...but he will be terrible defensively and I just don't see us going deep in the playoffs with this kid in the line-up. With Higgins as our second line center..at least we now have some grit on that line and some defensive awareness so samsonov and Kovalev can do there thing....

Might be a good idea to use him at center, but I dont think higgins is ready to control the play like a center in the NHL need too just yet.

wshld 07-17-2006 09:06 AM

I would like to see Ribeiro on the second line. Higgins is a scorer, so i dont think he would play very well With samsonov and kovalev. ribeiro fits better there imo, he's a good passer.

Guy Caballero 07-17-2006 09:17 AM

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Originally Posted by SOLR (Post 6044944)
Might be a good idea to use him at center, but I dont think higgins is ready to control the play like a center in the NHL need too just yet.

I agree. He doesn't have the skillset of the typical NHL centre. I like him better as a winger.

GoHabsGO252006 07-17-2006 09:39 AM

Interestingly enough, while i agree with a couple of you who say Higgins doesn't have the typical skill set of an NHL centerman in terms of controlling the play, wiith Kovy and Samsonov he wouldn't really need it. Those guys control the puck more than most wingers, they carry it sometimes too much and I think that Higgins will be a perfect compliment to that. Plus he goes to the net hard and gets the garbage goals which would be lacking with Ribs onthat line.

I like the idea of Higgins moving to Center there if it means Ribs out and Kosty in that's a huge upgrade as far as I'm concerned.

I really like

Kostytsin Koivu Ryder
Samsonov Higgins Kovalev
Perezhogin Plekanek Johnson
Begin Bonk Murray / Downey

I think that's an awesome lineup, much better without Ribeiro

znk 07-17-2006 09:42 AM

I realy dont want to split up Koivu and Higgins just yet. Why would we want to do that?

KaptainKourage* 07-17-2006 09:44 AM

Higgs was much better at wing than at centre last season. Keep him at wing with Cpt. K

waffledave 07-17-2006 09:57 AM

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Originally Posted by wshld (Post 6044949)
I would like to see Ribeiro on the second line. Higgins is a scorer, so i dont think he would play very well With samsonov and kovalev. ribeiro fits better there imo, he's a good passer.

I would say the last think that line needs is a good passer. Both Sammy and Kovy are "pass first shoot later" types. Kovalev has a great shot and when he does use it, he gets goals...But the problem is he's ALWAYS been more comfortable passing. Same with Sammy. A true goal scoring centre would compliment that line better than another playmaker...Unless Kovalev decides to start shooting the puck.

Honestly, every time I think of Kovalev actually shooting the puck (or better, taking a slapshot) it's resulted in a goal.

tinyzombies 07-17-2006 10:08 AM

Marcel Hossa was a center too, but we moved him to wing to see if he could use his attributes to score goals. He couldn't, but Higgins is doing it. I think they want to see if Higgins is a goalscorer before they put him at center. He would just be another small center anyway.

SOLR 07-17-2006 10:12 AM

Higgins was on a 40 goals season pace in the 2nd half of the season with Koivu. I think its worth a try to keep him with Koivu. Who knows? A 40 goal scorer in Mtl?!%!$!$$$!%%%!# Omg 01one10e2!

Haha just jocking ;)

waffledave 07-17-2006 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by SOLR (Post 6045391)
Higgins was on a 40 goals season pace in the 2nd half of the season with Koivu. I think its worth a try to keep him with Koivu. Who knows? A 40 goal scorer in Mtl?!%!$!$$$!%%%!# Omg 01one10e2!

Haha just jocking ;)

We will have a 40 goal scorer in Ryder this coming season.

All-Star 07-17-2006 10:23 AM

Didn't Higgins suck at taking faceoffs?

turnbuckle* 07-17-2006 10:24 AM

Higgins had 24 goals 15 assists last season - it looks like Andre was correct in assessing that Higgins is more suited for the wing as he lacks the creativity to be a top-line centreman.

Ribeiro is without a doubt a better setup man than Higgins, and an offensive center first and foremost sets up goals - look at Yzerman, Gretz, Lemieux, Messier, Oates, Modano, Sundin, Forsberg - more assist than goals every season.

Finding a goal-scoring left winger is not an easy task - hell Luc Robitaille and Steve Shutt are the only 60-goal left wingers in history. So the Habs have no reason to move Higgins from left wing after a 24-goal rookie campaign.

Centers are usually trailing the play a bit for defensive purposes, and thus are more likely to get the puck higher in the slot, and usually will be passing the puck form that position to either defencemen or wingers in close to the net. If you have good hands in close you'll likely end up being a winger. Higgins has good hands in close. Mot many goals are scored by centers in the high slot; goalies are just too good nowadays. The 50-goal scoring center is rare. Not saying Higgins has the capability of scoring 50 goals; I don't see it. There is the talent there for him to be a 40-goal man someday however if he's playing witht he right linemates.

Marksman 07-17-2006 10:26 AM

Personally I'd keep Higgins on the wing for now, but make Plekanec our second line center:

Samsonov Koivu Kovalev
Higgins Plekanec Ryder
Perezhogin Bonk Johnson
Murray Begin Ferland
+Downey

Teufelsdreck 07-17-2006 10:38 AM

I don't see Higgins playing at center with the personnel the Habs have now. However, if the Samsonov-Ribeiro-Kovalev line is on the ice for too many goals against, Carbonneau might have him swap lines with Samsonov. That wouldn't be ideal because it would take away a lot of Higgins's opportunities. In the games he played with Ribeiro and Ryder last season (he didn't play with Kovalev) he had to hang back because the other two didn't do much backchecking, and when used in that mode he didn't score many goals. He was liberated when he was shifted to Koivu's line.

SOLR 07-17-2006 10:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by waffledave (Post 6045472)
We will have a 40 goal scorer in Ryder this coming season.

Personnaly I think Higgins is more likely, just a hunch. Ryder will be scoring 30 if only if the other rookies doesnt make him a tradebait, witch is likely, when you compare skillsets. Do you prefer someone that can score 30 and do other things than just an unidimensional 30 goals scorer in Ryder. We dont have to trade him even with good rookies, but then he would play on the 3rd line and be a PP specialist.

Munchausen 07-17-2006 10:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wshld (Post 6044949)
Higgins is a scorer, so i dont think he would play very well With samsonov and kovalev.

Quite the contrary IMO, as both wingers are better playmakers than they are scorers, especially Samsonov. I think Higgins might complement Kovalev and Samsonov much better than Ribeiro could ever dream of, because of Chris' speed, high pressure forecheck and net driving.

That being said, while this remains an interesting solution down the road if everything else fails, I think we have a group of relatively conservative managing people so I see them giving every opportunity to Ribeiro to shine first, then maybe try Plekanec or an other experienced center like Bonk, and then and only then if it doesn't work either give it a shot with Higgins or a younger center in Hamilton. And after all this fails (if it does), then you trade.

BTW a bit off topic, but I'll reiterate what I said last year at training camp, that based on what I saw of Latendresse during camp and in juniors, I think he'd make a wonderful center. His vision and playmaking abilities are his best strengths along with his size. Maybe not now, but down the road, I could really see him being moved to center.

waffledave 07-17-2006 10:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SOLR (Post 6045608)
Personnaly I think Higgins is more likely, just a hunch. Ryder will be scoring 30 if only if the other rookies doesnt make him a tradebait, witch is likely, when you compare skillsets. Do you prefer someone that can score 30 and do other things than just an unidimensional 30 goals scorer in Ryder. We dont have to trade him even with good rookies, but then he would play on the 3rd line and be a PP specialist.

So last season was your first watching the Habs I take it.


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