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leafaholix* 08-16-2006 12:38 PM

2006 Draft, what do you think?
 
Of the top 20 picks, how much did you guys like each player?

1. Erik Johnson, Blues
2. Jordan Staal, Penguins
3. Jonathan Toews, Hawks
4. Nicklas Backstrom, Capitals
5. Phil Kessel, Bruins
6. Derick Brassard, Jackets
7. Kyle Okposo, Islanders
8. Peter Mueller, Coyotes
9. James Sheppard, Wild
10. Michael Frolik, Panthers
11. Jonathan Bernier, Kings
12. Bryan Little, Thrashers
13. Jiri Tlusty, Maple Leafs
14. Michael Grabner, Canucks
15. Riku Helenius, Lightning
16. Ty Wishart, Sharks
17. Trevor Lewis, Kings
18. Chris Stewart, Avalanche
19. Mark Mitera, Mighty Ducks
20. David Fischer, Habs

AH 08-16-2006 12:51 PM

EJ is the best.

Tlusty is the worst, by far.

Everyone else is somewhere in the middle.

Prospector 08-16-2006 12:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AH (Post 6298377)
EJ is the best.

Tlusty is the worst, by far.


Everyone else is somewhere in the middle.

Your saying this because it's a leaf pick?

Because honnestly I do not think he is the worst...

bayrider 08-16-2006 01:00 PM

I'm kinda curious about Backstrom. Some compare him to a Forsberg/Sundin type. If he evolves into that kind of player, I'd hate to face Washington's top line in a few years!

Blades 0f Steel 08-16-2006 01:16 PM

This is the first draft I've been fairly luke-warm to since I started getting into them.

I really don't think 7 years down the road people will look back and say 'He was picked there? What a steal.' At least not the 1st round.

Even the Habs' pick, Fischer. He'll be a very good defenceman for us, but not a steal by any means, despite what people seem to be labelling him as these days. You draft players in the 1st round expecting them to have an impact with your club.

leafaholix* 08-16-2006 04:19 PM

1. Erik Johnson, Blues - 10/10
2. Jordan Staal, Penguins - 9/10
3. Jonathan Toews, Hawks - 8/10
4. Nicklas Backstrom, Capitals - 9/10
5. Phil Kessel, Bruins - 9/10
6. Derick Brassard, Jackets - 7/10
7. Kyle Okposo, Islanders - 8/10
8. Peter Mueller, Coyotes - 6/10
9. James Sheppard, Wild - 7/10
10. Michael Frolik, Panthers - 9/10
11. Jonathan Bernier, Kings - 6/10
12. Bryan Little, Thrashers - 7/10
13. Jiri Tlusty, Maple Leafs - 8/10
14. Michael Grabner, Canucks - 7/10
15. Riku Helenius, Lightning - 6/10
16. Ty Wishart, Sharks - 5/10
17. Trevor Lewis, Kings - 7/10
18. Chris Stewart, Avalanche - 7/10
19. Mark Mitera, Mighty Ducks - 5/10
20. David Fischer, Habs - 7/10

Louis Houde 08-16-2006 04:36 PM

bout' criss : my version

1. Erik Johnson, Blues - 9.7/10
2. Jordan Staal, Penguins - 8.4/10
3. Jonathan Toews, Hawks - 9.2/10
4. Nicklas Backstrom, Capitals - 9.5/10
5. Phil Kessel, Bruins - 8.8/10
6. Derick Brassard, Jackets - 8.5/10
7. Kyle Okposo, Islanders - 7.9/10
8. Peter Mueller, Coyotes - 7.1/10
9. James Sheppard, Wild - 7.8/10
10. Michael Frolik, Panthers - 8.3/10
11. Jonathan Bernier, Kings - 7.4/10
12. Bryan Little, Thrashers - 8.1/10
13. Jiri Tlusty, Maple Leafs - 6.9/10
14. Michael Grabner, Canucks - 7/10
15. Riku Helenius, Lightning - 7/10
16. Ty Wishart, Sharks - 6.8/10
17. Trevor Lewis, Kings - 7.1/10
18. Chris Stewart, Avalanche - 7.4/10
19. Mark Mitera, Mighty Ducks - 6.2/10
20. David Fischer, Habs - 6.9/10

CH Wizard 08-16-2006 05:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AH (Post 6298377)
EJ is the best.

Tlusty is the worst, by far.

If leafs would have took Lewis instead or someone else rated so low, I"d have understood

Don't be a **** just cause' he's a leafs prospect, a prospect with solids skills and a good two way game gets drafted early in every draft.

leafaholix* 08-16-2006 08:05 PM

what do you guys think?

Le Tricolore 08-16-2006 08:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tlusty the clown (Post 6300502)
If leafs would have took Lewis instead or someone else rated so low, I"d have understood

Don't be a **** just cause' he's a leafs prospect, a prospect with solids skills and a good two way game gets drafted early in every draft.

so is Tlusty like Higgins? I've never seen him play.

Maxpac 08-16-2006 08:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Le Tricolore (Post 6302049)
so is Tlusty like Higgins? I've never seen him play.

i think of him as this year's Nicklas Sundstrom back when he was drafted, or atleast the type of player Sundstrom was projected to be

Cyrrus147 08-16-2006 08:45 PM

1. Erik Johnson, Blues 10/10
2. Jordan Staal, Penguins 8/10
3. Jonathan Toews, Hawks 9,5/10
4. Nicklas Backstrom, Capitals 9/10
5. Phil Kessel, Bruins 8,5/10
6. Derick Brassard, Jackets 8,7/10
7. Kyle Okposo, Islanders 8,5/10
8. Peter Mueller, Coyotes 7,7/10
9. James Sheppard, Wild 8/10
10. Michael Frolik, Panthers 8,3/10
11. Jonathan Bernier, Kings 8/10
12. Bryan Little, Thrashers 7,8/10
13. Jiri Tlusty, Maple Leafs 7,7/10
14. Michael Grabner, Canucks 7,4/10
15. Riku Helenius, Lightning 7,2/10
16. Ty Wishart, Sharks 7,5/10
17. Trevor Lewis, Kings 7/10
18. Chris Stewart, Avalanche 7/10
19. Mark Mitera, Mighty Ducks 6,8/10
20. David Fischer, Habs 7/10

Habsfan18 08-16-2006 09:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AH (Post 6298377)
EJ is the best.

Tlusty is the worst, by far.

Everyone else is somewhere in the middle.

:dunno: Because he's a Leaf right?

Bryzga lol* 08-16-2006 09:35 PM

1. Erik Johnson, Blues - 9.9/10
2. Jordan Staal, Penguins 8.5/10
3. Jonathan Toews, Hawks 9.2/10
4. Nicklas Backstrom, Capitals 9.5/10
5. Phil Kessel, Bruins 8.1/10
6. Derick Brassard, Jackets 8.9/10
7. Kyle Okposo, Islanders 8.0/10
8. Peter Mueller, Coyotes 7.8/10
9. James Sheppard, Wild 7.5/10
10. Michael Frolik, Panthers 7.2/10
11. Jonathan Bernier, Kings 6.4/10
12. Bryan Little, Thrashers 7.8/10
13. Jiri Tlusty, Maple Leafs 7.9/10
14. Michael Grabner, Canucks 7.5/10
15. Riku Helenius, Lightning 8.1/10
16. Ty Wishart, Sharks 6.8/10
17. Trevor Lewis, Kings 6.0/10
18. Chris Stewart, Avalanche 7.4/10
19. Mark Mitera, Mighty Ducks 6.2/10
20. David Fischer, Habs 7.5/10

-EJ is a Chris Pronger, maybe better???
-Staal isn't the best pick at no.2, but the best pick for the Pens
-Even at number 4, Backstrom is the steal of the draft in my opinion. He proved he can play very well with men and he's only going to get better.
-I'm rating Kessel low because I think his attitude will affect his career, but he could end up being a steal if he smartens up.
-I know Frolik was playing with men, but so was Backstrom, I don't have high hopes for him, but you never know.
-Bernier had the best numbers in the draft but I don't think he's the best goalie, LA should have picked Helenius, he was quite a steal by Tampa.
-Lewis was another bad pick by LA for what was still availible.
-I'm very glad Montreal traded down and still got the guy they want in Fischer. Other than that possibly fake rumor that he was an ******* at the draft evaluation camp, everything I've heard about him has been excellant. Positive attitude, top player in his state, natural leader, did very well at the habs evaluation camp among mostly older players who play in leagues higher than high school. I think playing along side of EJ will do him wonders, with his attitude, he'll do what he can to learn and keep up with him.

kariya24 08-16-2006 09:40 PM

J.Staal is personaly my favorite, but I have to admit that EJ is the best!

I also have to admit that I reallly like Helenius and Brassard. Did you see Helenius play in the -18 tournament? :bow: and TB where searching a goalie, they have it!!

leafaholix* 08-16-2006 10:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Le Tricolore (Post 6302049)
so is Tlusty like Higgins? I've never seen him play.

he's kind of like alex steen

VirginiaMtlExpat 08-17-2006 03:11 AM

Getting one possibly elite defenseman and another serviceable defenseman out of the one pick #16 will turn out to be a major coup on Gainey's part, especially if the serviceable defenseman also pans out! The other picks were also reasonably well optimized, especially if one or two of Maxwell, White and Valentenko also have NHL careers.

I'm wondering if Maxwell is still growing, as someone has suggested, given that he has a towering (6'8") brother. If so, and he maintains his other qualities throughout the growth spurt, he is an intriguing 2nd round choice, who knows, perhaps in the mold of Brad Richards.

wholeshow* 08-17-2006 04:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GermanyMontrealExpat (Post 6304364)
Getting one possibly elite defenseman and another serviceable defenseman out of the one pick #16 will turn out to be a major coup on Gainey's part, especially if the serviceable defenseman also pans out! The other picks were also reasonably well optimized, especially if one or two of Maxwell, White and Valentenko also have NHL careers.

I'm wondering if Maxwell is still growing, as someone has suggested, given that he has a towering (6'8") brother. If so, and he maintains his other qualities throughout the growth spurt, he is an intriguing 2nd round choice, who knows, perhaps in the mold of Brad Richards.

being extremely tall is not good for a hockey player. guys like chara and gill get beat one on one so often, that it makes your head spin. especially in the new 'zero tolerance' era of the NHL, big hulking guys that can't really skate are effected tremendously. there's not many guys that are over 6'4 and can skate like the wind (right now, only jay bouwmeester comes to mind, perhaps lecavalier). so in essence i hope maxwell stops growing.

VirginiaMtlExpat 08-17-2006 05:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hunjeebakala (Post 6304485)
being extremely tall is not good for a hockey player. guys like chara and gill get beat one on one so often, that it makes your head spin. especially in the new 'zero tolerance' era of the NHL, big hulking guys that can't really skate are effected tremendously. there's not many guys that are over 6'4 and can skate like the wind (right now, only jay bouwmeester comes to mind, perhaps lecavalier). so in essence i hope maxwell stops growing.

He's 6' now, so it's unlikely that he will even get to 6'4. As far as I have read, he's one of the fastests NA players drafted, so I doubt that growing 2-3 inches will compromise his speed too much. That said, I don't believe that size at the expense of skill is really useful, especially in the current game. I'm not really mesmerized by this aspect of typical HFboards player evaluation. I'm simply indicating that this factor may make Maxwell even more under-rated than he otherwise is, assuming as I said above that he retains his current speed and agility.

Fozz 08-17-2006 06:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GermanyMontrealExpat (Post 6304364)
Getting one possibly elite defenseman and another serviceable defenseman out of the one pick #16 will turn out to be a major coup on Gainey's part, especially if the serviceable defenseman also pans out!

A very good trade indeed. Especially since they got the guy they wanted all along. I would go even further and say that we might have 2 future top-4 d-men with these picks, since I believe Carle is very much underrated.

SOLR 08-17-2006 07:26 AM

Never liked Jordan Staal, then again, I could score 30 goals playing with Sid.

montreal 08-17-2006 09:24 AM

Personally I can't say I am a big fan of the '06 draft overall. I went into the draft assuming it was a weaker draft, not '02 weak but I didn't feel it was an overly deep draft. I looked forward to the '07 draft more then '06 (although '06 has some impressive top end talent) We'll see where the '06 ends up in say 10 years, perhaps it will be a lot better then I thought it would.

As for the Habs I think they did really well, but we'll see. I loved the Habs '05 draft but didn't care all that much for the '04 draft, so I guess the best thing is to just see what happens since '04 is turing out very nice so far, with '05 having a lot of potential as well. Getting Fischer and 3 other defensemen plus a highly skilled Maxwell and a hard working gritty center in White, it looks like a solid draft that could turn out really well.

Blind Gardien 08-17-2006 11:11 AM

I ended up really happy with the 2006 draft.

Because it was such a wide-open draft practically from picks 20-120, I figured there was plenty of potential for teams to draft a few "W-T-F? :confused: " players with their picks, but for the most part, the Habs gave me a group of players I could pretty quickly identify with, which I appreciated.

Maybe Fischer was a little bit of that "W-T-F factor", but the fact that we moved down to get him and picked up an extra 2nd rounder certainly softened that perception for me. Plus he was a defenseman, and I'm glad management was paying attention to that issue.

Maxwell, Carle, and White were picks I was really happy with, for where they were taken. I was really intrigued by Maxwell in the WU-18 tournament. From the Top Prospects game and all the scouting reports, I was sort of expecting a really fast but perimeter-oriented player, but he showed a lot more physicality and dimensionality to his game in that tournament, which seemed to be at odds with the scouting reports. That gives me hope. I haven't been as much impressed with Carle, but I believe they picked him approximately where he should have been taken in the draft, and even if there were a few other defensman I was personally a bit higher on still available, I'm certainly willing to defer to the Habs choice on this one, it was close enough. And I really like the White pick too. I've only seen him a couple of times, but he's definitely my kind of player in general, and a big bonus where he was taken.

The best thing of all about this draft group is that I feel like I'll get a good chance to follow their progress. Picking guys who are "on the map" is always nice. Minnesota will be on CSTV lots, plus we'll get more chance to watch Maxwell, White, and especially Carle develop than we would if we picked some other players from distant shores. I don't go into a draft looking for that, of course, but when it comes out that way after it's over, it's a nice bonus.

Valentenko and Cepek seem like worthwhile gambles, and at the right positions. I'm glad they were able to curb their enthusiasm and be patient on taking Valentenko later, though. Not the least because of the problems right now with Russia, but also because I watched that whole Challenge tournament and never really took note of him. Not that I was paying very much attention to the Russian side at all, so I don't make too much of that, but nevertheless if anybody was going to truly stand out there I would like to think I might have noticed? Maybe not. Especially on D.

It's also quite a fun prospect summer too in terms of how our past picks are progessing towards jobs with Hamilton, how we've been able to sign guys (esp. Grabovsky, O'Byrne). I think that makes the whole draft/prospect situation this summer one of the brightest I can ever remember. :clap:

wpg_habsfan 08-17-2006 11:37 AM

EJ is easily the best pick in the draft, (as he should be, considering he went first :sarcasm: ) but besides that, I think Toews is going to be the best forward in the draft. A good two-way player with great offensive touch, Chicago has now two good centres built in the same mold, if Ruutu gets and stays healthy...

As for Montreal, the Fischer pick was a bit surprising, but after reading up on him, it seems that he could develop in to the 2nd best dman picked in the draft behind EJ. The 2nd round picks, Maxwell and Carle, and White in the 3rd round, should all develop into solid NHL players.


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