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toshiro 08-16-2006 12:54 PM

Carter vs Dumont
 
Who is better?

Blind Gardien 08-16-2006 12:59 PM

I would rather have Dumont. I guess that means I think he's better? :dunno:

Obviously Carter's best has been a smidgin better than Dumont's best so far. But then, Carter is 32 and Dumont is 28.

I can remember how bad Carter was before last season. So bad, so soft, so often invisible you wondered if he was even interested in playing hockey anymore. That would make me worry about what would happen if he had a multi-year deal. I wouldn't take the chance. I just wish the Leafs had enough cap space to sign him, I guess.

Cyrrus147 08-16-2006 01:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by toshiro (Post 6298401)
Who is better?

Geez I don't want any of them

BobbyFischer* 08-16-2006 01:16 PM

Dumont

I also highly believe Dumont would thrive in Montreal and would breakout for a 30+ goal season.

yukoner 08-16-2006 01:17 PM

Dumont by a mile. Carter is such a floater it's not even funny.

Talent Analyst 08-16-2006 01:28 PM

Dumont

Munchausen 08-16-2006 01:29 PM

The best you can get out of Carter is probably better than the best you'll be able to get out of Dumont, at least it's been the case so far. Same logic applies for the worse of each player though. Choose your poison. I prefer getting neither but I guess consistency from season to season makes Dumont the "better" player.

Kafka 08-16-2006 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by toshiro (Post 6298401)
Who is better?

Objectively: Dumont. I don't like floaters.

Extra Dry 08-16-2006 01:44 PM

It's not who is better,what style fits your team the best.With a name like Dumont it is not surprising that Habs fan would go with him.

Habs 4 Life 08-16-2006 01:46 PM

I would take Dumont

Joe Cole 08-16-2006 03:32 PM

Think about this for a second.... Dumont was a first round pick. He was traded twice in the first few years of his career. Then, when he is a RFA, his own team that had him on the first line did not even offer him a contract.

So... as for him being the second coming of Jesus... I would believe him to be a "project", not a sure thing.

As for Carter, he also has been traded around a bit. As for him being a floater, I do not think of him of any more or less a physical player then Dumont, only that he has proven more stats wise.

So, it is not as if we are comparing an apple and an orange here. One thing is for sure, we are comparing a French Quebecois to a non-French Quebecois, and like it or not, that matters more then most things for a huge % of the population.

Anksun 08-16-2006 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Joe Cole (Post 6299781)
Think about this for a second.... Dumont was a first round pick. He was traded twice in the first few years of his career. Then, when he is a RFA, his own team that had him on the first line did not even offer him a contract.

So... as for him being the second coming of Jesus... I would believe him to be a "project", not a sure thing.

While i agree with your general opinion that Dumont could be a project. I dont think your resume of his career is honest to the guy.

Dumont was a 3rd overall pick by the Islanders, at that time Darcy Regier was apparently the guy in the organization strongly in favor of getting this guy. Because of contract disputes, he was then send to the BlackHawks before even playing in the nhl.

After 2 season with the Hawks, Regier who was now with the Sabres made a trade to get back "his" player. The Hawks did the trade to get Grosek and free Gilmour salary.

And now, the sabres havent re-signed the guy because by every one account, the salary he got in arbitration is a good million over his value, not because they dont want the guy. Regier have been reported to have made an offer to Dumont. Hardly uninterested.

cjbhab 08-16-2006 05:21 PM

Dumont for sure.

IMO Carter is nothing without the Sedin twins.

CH Wizard 08-16-2006 06:03 PM

Dumout, better overall player but Carter is a better goalscorer.

MasterD 08-16-2006 07:26 PM

Jesus are people biased... Carter isn't "nothing without the twins"

Damn, EXCEPT for the 2003-2004 season, where he got traded twice (oh yeah that's sure to help your confidence eh) he has always been a 25 goal scorer... (over a 82 game season.. he has been injured couple times.. juts look at his stats with boston and edmonton)

http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/p...y.php3?pid=847
1997-98 Boston Bruins NHL 78 16 27 43 31 6 1 1 2 0
1998-99 Boston Bruins NHL 55 24 16 40 22 12 4 3 7 0

1999-00 Boston Bruins NHL 59 22 25 47 14 -- -- -- -- --
2000-01 Edmonton Oilers NHL 61 16 26 42 23 6 3 1 4 4
2001-02 Edmonton Oilers NHL 82 28 32 60 25 -- -- -- -- --
2002-03 Edmonton Oilers NHL 68 25 30 55 20 -- -- -- -- --
2002-03 New York Rangers NHL 11 1 4 5 6 -- -- -- -- --
2003-04 New York Rangers NHL 43 10 7 17 14 -- -- -- -- --
2003-04 Washington Capitals NHL 19 5 5 10 6 -- -- -- -- --
2003-04 Los Angeles Kings NHL 15 0 1 1 0 -- -- -- -- --
2005-06 Vancouver Canucks NHL 81 33 22 55 41


Dumont on the other hand has never even touched 25 goals

1999-00 Chicago Blackhawks NHL 47 10 8 18 18 -- -- -- -- --
2000-01 Buffalo Sabres NHL 79 23 28 51 54 13 4 3 7 8
2001-02 Buffalo Sabres NHL 76 23 21 44 42 -- -- -- -- --
2002-03 Buffalo Sabres NHL 76 14 21 35 44 -- -- -- -- --
2003-04 Buffalo Sabres NHL 77 22 31 53 40 -- -- -- -- --
2005-06 Buffalo Sabres NHL 54 20 20 40 38 18 7 7 14 14

Extra Dry 08-17-2006 02:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Joe Cole (Post 6299781)
Think about this for a second.... Dumont was a first round pick. He was traded twice in the first few years of his career. Then, when he is a RFA, his own team that had him on the first line did not even offer him a contract.

So... as for him being the second coming of Jesus... I would believe him to be a "project", not a sure thing.

As for Carter, he also has been traded around a bit. As for him being a floater, I do not think of him of any more or less a physical player then Dumont, only that he has proven more stats wise.

So, it is not as if we are comparing an apple and an orange here. One thing is for sure, we are comparing a French Quebecois to a non-French Quebecois, and like it or not, that matters more then most things for a huge % of the population.

Thank you Joe Cole you proved my point.Have a good day:)

yukoner 08-17-2006 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by MasterD (Post 6301683)
Jesus are people biased...

How the hell does this have anything to do with bias? Neither player is a Hab. Sure there's the french thing, but there are french people all over the league that get slagged on this board.

Some people have actually watched Carter throughout his career, and the stats do not tell the whole story with this guy.

Do you think edmonton would've shipped a 25goal scorer off for next to nothing, when he was making 2million/season, if not for a good reason?

The guy has no heart, he's basically Ryder without any heart or dedication to the game.

Extra Dry 08-18-2006 03:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by yukoner (Post 6308163)
How the hell does this have anything to do with bias? Neither player is a Hab. Sure there's the french thing, but there are french people all over the league that get slagged on this board.

Some people have actually watched Carter throughout his career, and the stats do not tell the whole story with this guy.

Do you think edmonton would've shipped a 25goal scorer off for next to nothing, when he was making 2million/season, if not for a good reason?

The guy has no heart, he's basically Ryder without any heart or dedication to the game.

How would you know about Carters heart or dedication.Do you know Carter well enough to say this,or are you just regurgitating what you read and what other people say about him. Oh yeah-the same goes for Ryder:shakehead

KOMO_ROCKS 08-18-2006 04:43 PM

I take Dumont. Better all around player.

MasterD 08-18-2006 05:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by yukoner (Post 6308163)
How the hell does this have anything to do with bias? Neither player is a Hab. Sure there's the french thing, but there are french people all over the league that get slagged on this board.

Some people have actually watched Carter throughout his career, and the stats do not tell the whole story with this guy.

Do you think edmonton would've shipped a 25goal scorer off for next to nothing, when he was making 2million/season, if not for a good reason?

The guy has no heart, he's basically Ryder without any heart or dedication to the game.

Or maybe a case of Zednik-itis where the player is faulting a little and we need room for kids so he's shipped elsewhere because he can be replaced from within?


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