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islesman478* 09-01-2006 11:35 AM

NYI/WSH Proposal
 
To NYI: Eric Fehr
To WSH: Alexei Yashin, Arron Asham, 2nd rounder

You get Russian center Yashin to play with his bud Ovechkin, cap hit shouldnt matter too much, and Asham a solid 2/3 line winger on that team plus a 2nd rounder. Ovechkin-Yashin-Zubrus :amazed:

Islanders get a great prospect in return.

Thoughts? Is it a decent offer?

Peter Griffin 09-01-2006 11:37 AM

I don't think the Caps even consider this offer. I'm sure they want to become a contender in the next fews and having Yashin and his cap hit won't help any team do such.

xeric716x 09-01-2006 11:38 AM

how do you know they buds? is it because they are both russian?

boredmale 09-01-2006 11:39 AM

we couldn't dump yashin for a bag of pucks, don't see how we can get fehr for him Asham and a 2nd rounder

Drake1588 09-01-2006 11:39 AM

The Caps qualify for revenue sharing, and will work to keep it that way. They won't want to add Yashin for that reason alone, much less any other questions. They can probably stand to add a good $2-4M, but not as much as Yashin's salary.

bonzilla 09-01-2006 11:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Peter Griffin (Post 6403840)
I don't think the Caps even consider this offer. I'm sure they want to become a contender in the next fews and having Yashin and his cap hit won't help any team do such.

Yes, but its special to know that we have so many HF friends around the league that want to trade with us:handclap:

Foy 09-01-2006 12:29 PM

This actually one of the better trades I've seen to dump Yashin's salary, but I'm not sure the Caps want to trae Fehr, and his ability to score clutch goals (as he said once, I don't score all the goals, just the important ones). Asham isn't something that really helps us, and Yashin would just be too annoying in the long term. Value-wise it's kinda there, but the pieces are wrong for what the Caps need.

boredmale 09-01-2006 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by CommieHunter (Post 6404183)
This actually one of the better trades I've seen to dump Yashin's salary, but I'm not sure the Caps want to trae Fehr, and his ability to score clutch goals (as he said once, I don't score all the goals, just the important ones). Asham isn't something that really helps us, and Yashin would just be too annoying in the long term. Value-wise it's kinda there, but the pieces are wrong for what the Caps need.


if yashin made 4.5M or less it might make some sense for the Caps but Yashin makes way to much to have any trade value other then for another bad contract.

Darth Milbury 09-01-2006 12:38 PM

If the Isles tied a bow around Yashin's head, taught him to dance, and then agreed to fed-ex him over night to Washington, the Caps would still not eat his ridiculous contract. No offfense to the above poster, but it is time to leave these fantasies of getting out from underneath Yashin's contract asside. He is not tradeable, under any circumstances.

The Isles will most likely hang on to Cash-in for another two or three seasons. I expect you'll see him either bought out of the final years, or exiled to the AHL.

Seph 09-01-2006 12:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CommieHunter (Post 6404183)
This actually one of the better trades I've seen to dump Yashin's salary, but I'm not sure the Caps want to trae Fehr, and his ability to score clutch goals (as he said once, I don't score all the goals, just the important ones). Asham isn't something that really helps us, and Yashin would just be too annoying in the long term. Value-wise it's kinda there, but the pieces are wrong for what the Caps need.

Wow, that's a much kinder way to put it from the Caps' POV than what I would've said. I think there's almost no chance. The Caps had their $10m mistake, and they took the necessary steps to get rid of it. That was also with a much better player. I don't see them repeating it.

I assume the original premise comes from the fact that Yashin played with Ovechkin in the Olympics, maybe the WC's too. They do seem to have some chemistry (then again, who wouldn't have chemistry with Ovy?). Also, Ovy does seem to prefer playing with Russian players, so it could also be a move to keep him happy.

Trading Yashin is more or less impossible, and it is completely impossible to do without taking back significant salary. More realistic would be something like Yashin and Dipietro for Kolzig and Fehr. Or on a similar vein, Yashin to LA (showed excellent chemistry with Frolov in past tournies) for Conroy and Miller. And even those have little chance of happening.

Pavel Bure 09-01-2006 12:52 PM

The Islanders would have to add more to dump Yashin.

I like Seph's idea where we do the goalie swap, but I doubt that will happen.
1. Kolzig decided to re-sign instead of go to a contender, it would be a slap in thr face if they traded to any team that didnt have a legitimate shot at a cup.
2. Mad Mike loves DiPietro (Remember the contract offer?) and since hes still part of the franchise and with the way Wang controls things he probably has alot of control on stuff.

Seph 09-01-2006 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Pavel Bure (Post 6404336)
The Islanders would have to add more to dump Yashin.

I like Seph's idea where we do the goalie swap, but I doubt that will happen.
1. Kolzig decided to re-sign instead of go to a contender, it would be a slap in thr face if they traded to any team that didnt have a legitimate shot at a cup.
2. Mad Mike loves DiPietro (Remember the contract offer?) and since hes still part of the franchise and with the way Wang controls things he probably has alot of control on stuff.

I doubt it'd happen too, I was more trying to illustrate what would it require to get a GM to even call us back. But in the real world, I see little chance at all that Yashin will wear anything but an Islander jersey for at least the next 3 years. In my dreams of course, he would wear a Bridgeport Sound Tigers jersey, but we won't get that lucky either. Though, I would point out that what Mike thinks of Dipi isn't really an issue, as he's no longer GM and it was actually Wang that thought up the contract offer. Of course, since Wang's in control, your comment is not without merit.

Darth Milbury 09-01-2006 01:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pavel Bure (Post 6404336)
The Islanders would have to add more to dump Yashin.

I like Seph's idea where we do the goalie swap, but I doubt that will happen.
1. Kolzig decided to re-sign instead of go to a contender, it would be a slap in thr face if they traded to any team that didnt have a legitimate shot at a cup.
2. Mad Mike loves DiPietro (Remember the contract offer?) and since hes still part of the franchise and with the way Wang controls things he probably has alot of control on stuff.

Mad Mike is not part of the franchise. He works for Wang and is involved on the buisness side of all of Wang's sports teams. He has no say in whether or not Dipietro gets moved.

Kaktus* 09-01-2006 01:17 PM

If Washington I woudl remember Jagrs trade, get pissed off and trade Kris Beech and 2nd 2006-07 for Yahsin and Hunter 1st 2006-07

Take NYI for a ride.

boredmale 09-01-2006 01:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kaktus (Post 6404518)
If Washington I woudl remember Jagrs trade, get pissed off and trade Kris Beech and 2nd 2006-07 for Yahsin and Hunter 1st 2006-07

Take NYI for a ride.

Sadly that deal still favors the Islanders due to contract

Bacchus 09-01-2006 01:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by islesman478 (Post 6403833)
To NYI: Eric Fehr
To WSH: Alexei Yashin, Arron Asham, 2nd rounder

You get Russian center Yashin to play with his bud Ovechkin, cap hit shouldnt matter too much, and Asham a solid 2/3 line winger on that team plus a 2nd rounder. Ovechkin-Yashin-Zubrus :amazed:

Islanders get a great prospect in return.

Thoughts? Is it a decent offer?

You are stuck with Yashin.

Seph 09-01-2006 01:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kaktus (Post 6404518)
If Washington I woudl remember Jagrs trade, get pissed off and trade Kris Beech and 2nd 2006-07 for Yahsin and Hunter 1st 2006-07

Take NYI for a ride.

Get pissed? Why? The three guys Washington traded for Jagr have combined for a total of 36points in the NHL in the 5 years since that trade. Jagr was a ppg player for Washington and scored over double both full seasons he played for Washington, and was on pace to doublt it again when he was traded. Despite that Washington ended up with only Aulin to show for it all, they still won that trade.

AgentOrange* 09-01-2006 01:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by islesman478 (Post 6403833)
To NYI: Eric Fehr
To WSH: Alexei Yashin, Arron Asham, 2nd rounder

You get Russian center Yashin to play with his bud Ovechkin, cap hit shouldnt matter too much, and Asham a solid 2/3 line winger on that team plus a 2nd rounder. Ovechkin-Yashin-Zubrus :amazed:

Islanders get a great prospect in return.

Thoughts? Is it a decent offer?

Then who is the #1 center on Long Island or how do you acquire one?

Foy 09-01-2006 01:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Seph (Post 6404736)
Get pissed? Why? The three guys Washington traded for Jagr have combined for a total of 36points in the NHL in the 5 years since that trade. Jagr was a ppg player for Washington and scored over double both full seasons he played for Washington, and was on pace to doublt it again when he was traded. Despite that Washington ended up with only Aulin to show for it all, they still won that trade.

because Jagr's laxidaisical attitude caused us to lose some of our better players like Konowalchuck who got fed up with Jagr in the lockerroom.

He made our whole team "die alive inside"

Seph 09-01-2006 01:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AgentOrange (Post 6404762)
Then who is the #1 center on Long Island or how do you acquire one?

Do we really care? We're destined to suck this year either way, and York was decent enough between Hunter and Satan last year on the top line. Next summer we're free to pluck a much better option from the UFA pool, when players like Forsberg, Briere and Gomez become available.

AgentOrange* 09-01-2006 02:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Seph (Post 6404829)
Do we really care? We're destined to suck this year either way, and York was decent enough between Hunter and Satan last year on the top line. Next summer we're free to pluck a much better option from the UFA pool, when players like Briere and Gomez become available.

Not necessarily.....

Who's to say a better player/option will become available next year?

Who's to say that player would even sign with Long Island?

Peter Griffin 09-01-2006 02:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AgentOrange (Post 6404902)
Who's to say a better player/option will become available next year?

Anything is better than having Yashin and his contract.

Seph 09-01-2006 02:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AgentOrange (Post 6404902)
Not necessarily.....

Who's to say a better player/option will become available next year?

Who's to say that player would even sign with Long Island?

Then we sign a cheaper, comparable stop gap center and use the remaining money on other things like improving the defense or giving raises to players that derserve them.

Chimaera 09-01-2006 03:58 PM

Well, if the Isles ate some of Yashin's salary, and instead of getting Fehr, just threw in a pick or two, it "might" be something worth talking about.

As is, no chance.

Darth Milbury 09-01-2006 04:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chimaera (Post 6405685)
Well, if the Isles ate some of Yashin's salary, and instead of getting Fehr, just threw in a pick or two, it "might" be something worth talking about.

As is, no chance.


Especially since eating salary is against the rules of the new CBA.


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