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Jones23 11-16-2003 09:33 PM

Rangers Renewed Interest in Jagr(Sportsnet)
 
http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/artic...16_142713_6400

Capitals look like they'll do anything to get rid of there disgruntled player.

Looks like a perfect fit for the Rangers!...a high priced talent that nobody else wants or wants to pay.

Hemsky4PM 11-16-2003 09:46 PM

Some thing's to consider:

1. Does Lindros have a contract for next season, or is it up this year. If it's up that clears some money for the Rangers (in case there is a "cap").

2. The Rangers want to trade some guys as much as Washington wants to be rid of Jagr. Carter would certainly factor into things.

3. If Washington does trade Jagr, it WILL be to the NYR.

4. No matter how much Jagr has struggled the last 3 years, Jagr and Kovalev together again would scare anybody.

MVP 11-16-2003 09:48 PM

What about Carter, Poti and Lundmark for Jagr and Lang deal?

Burke's Evil Spirit 11-16-2003 09:50 PM

New York's post-CBA situation isn't all that bad. The only big contracts on the books are I beleive Holik, de Vries, Leetch and Kasparaitis. Mind you, that's like $23 million right there ;)

Anyways, it's the return of the rumour that just won't die. BTW - were Jagr and Kovalev ever "united" in the first place? They're both RW...though Kovalev can play center...

andora 11-16-2003 09:57 PM

kovalev and jagr would only ever play together on the PP when the pens had all those snipers

st_roland 11-16-2003 10:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MVP
What about Carter, Poti and Lundmark for Jagr and Lang deal?

As a caps fan, i'd kill for that deal. Unless the Rangers GM is a complete moron, I don't see that happening. Lundmark is still a great prospect and considering the salaries involved, would be enough for both Blah-gr and Lang.

Trottier 11-16-2003 10:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hemsky4PM
No matter how much Jagr has struggled the last 3 years, Jagr and Kovalev together again would scare anybody.

Why do I feel like I'm expereincing a reoccuring dream, over and over and over again?

Was "scared" when NYI acquired Bure....
Was scared when they acquired Lindros....
Was scared when they acquired Kovalev....
Was scared when they acquired Poti and later Carter....
Was scared when they signed Holik and Kasparaitus.

Sorry, I've learned, finally. Jagr and Kovalev do not "scare" me.

demitra382003 11-16-2003 10:33 PM

i would have to think that to trade for jagr, the rangers may give up kovalev. He makes 6.5 while jagrs at 11 million. So they add 4.5 million, but by trading anyone else, they would add lots more. This way Washington gets a cheaper star who can still produce

Mr. Canucklehead 11-16-2003 10:38 PM

I doubt the return Jagr gets will be anything near the Carter/Poti/Lundmark package I saw someone reccomend. It's no secret Washington wants desperately to be rid of him, and they're in no position to make demands. However, I don't think it's out of the question at all that Anson Carter could be a guy that goes the other way. He'd be a nice fit on the Capitals, and would be a good start for a team looking to rebuild.

~Canucklehead~

c-carp 11-16-2003 11:14 PM

If the Rangers trase for Jagr Slats really has lost his mind.

Bacchus 11-17-2003 01:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by c-carp
If the Rangers trase for Jagr Slats really has lost his mind.

Sad but true.

Kevin Forbes 11-17-2003 03:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Burke's Evil Spirit
New York's post-CBA situation isn't all that bad. The only big contracts on the books are I beleive Holik, de Vries, Leetch and Kasparaitis. Mind you, that's like $23 million right there ;)

according to The Hockey News, the Rags are on the hook for $27.2 million divided amongst 7 players

SingnBluesOnBroadway 11-17-2003 05:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Trottier
Why do I feel like I'm expereincing a reoccuring dream, over and over and over again?

Was "scared" when NYI acquired Bure....
Was scared when they acquired Lindros....
Was scared when they acquired Kovalev....
Was scared when they acquired Poti and later Carter....
Was scared when they signed Holik and Kasparaitus.

Sorry, I've learned, finally. Jagr and Kovalev do not "scare" me.

Which is interesting, because, as a Ranger fan, Jagr and Kovalev scare me.

I would guess that any potential deal would have to include Kasparaitis going to Washington and another useful player coming to the Rangers.

My guess (and I'm not advocating this deal by any means):

To NYR: Jagr and Grier or Witt or Berry and a 2nd (only the second if Berry)

To WAS: Kasparaitis, Carter, and Malakhov

txpd 11-17-2003 06:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by canucklehead17
I doubt the return Jagr gets will be anything near the Carter/Poti/Lundmark package I saw someone reccomend. It's no secret Washington wants desperately to be rid of him, and they're in no position to make demands. However, I don't think it's out of the question at all that Anson Carter could be a guy that goes the other way. He'd be a nice fit on the Capitals, and would be a good start for a team looking to rebuild.

~Canucklehead~

While its true that the Capitals are desperate to move Jagr, they are not so desperate as to be willing to hurt the team further to do so.
The Caps preference is to remove as much of his salary as possible.
So...the least they get in return the better. The Rangers will want to move contracts in the process as well. Contracts that are not working out for them. Carter 9pts in 27 games as a Rangers. Kovalev has 23 pts in 40 games as a Ranger and just 2 goals this year. That's nearly $10m in contracts between those two. While most Ranger fans want Carter to go and have no interest in Kovalev leaving, Kovalev's lack of production has lasted thru 40 games and to keep him is asking for a disaster to become a complete disaster.

GKJ 11-17-2003 06:44 AM

Sounds like Kovalev is living up to the pressure/expectations/play he did the last time he was in New York.

The Tang 11-17-2003 06:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Burke's Evil Spirit

Anyways, it's the return of the rumour that just won't die. BTW - were Jagr and Kovalev ever "united" in the first place? They're both RW...though Kovalev can play center...

Kovy and Jagr never played together. Kovalev was on teh 2nd line with lang and Straka the past few years. Also, Kovalev rarely played center. he is muhc more comfortable on the wing

Kevin Forbes 11-17-2003 07:45 AM

didn't Kovalev play the point for the Pens with Jagr also on the same PP unit?

#37-#93-#27* 11-17-2003 07:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MVP
What about Carter, Poti and Lundmark for Jagr and Lang deal?

Don't kid yourself.

Lundmark, Poti and Carter alone each have more value then Jagr and his insane contract.

#37-#93-#27* 11-17-2003 07:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by go kim johnsson
Sounds like Kovalev is living up to the pressure/expectations/play he did the last time he was in New York.

Kovalev has been our best player. The entire freaking team has not been scoring, don't just single him out.

Takeo 11-17-2003 08:02 AM

Good, have him. A match made in heaven.

SingnBluesOnBroadway 11-17-2003 08:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by #37-#93-#27
Kovalev has been our best player. The entire freaking team has not been scoring, don't just single him out.

Disagree. Both Messier and Dunham have been better than Kovalev. Holik as well, IMO.

discostu 11-17-2003 08:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SingnBluesOnBroadway
Which is interesting, because, as a Ranger fan, Jagr and Kovalev scare me.

I would guess that any potential deal would have to include Kasparaitis going to Washington and another useful player coming to the Rangers.

My guess (and I'm not advocating this deal by any means):

To NYR: Jagr and Grier or Witt or Berry and a 2nd (only the second if Berry)

To WAS: Kasparaitis, Carter, and Malakhov

This is probably the best type of deal for either team. Washington's going to be taking back salary in any Jagr deal, so getting Kasparitus is one of their best bets. If the Caps are going to be overpaying, it's better for them to do it on their blueline.

The Rangers get a top-end left winger back, which helps balance them out.

I'm not certain how motivated the Rangers are to get rid of Carter, nor how eager Washington is to take him on.

Overall though, I think the elements for a deal are in place.

Peter 11-17-2003 08:24 AM

To Washington: Nedved, Poti ,Lundmark, Dunham, 1st pick '04,
2nd pick '05
To NY: Jagr, Kolzig and Lang

The Tang 11-17-2003 08:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by forbesy
didn't Kovalev play the point for the Pens with Jagr also on the same PP unit?

yeah, but that was pretty much their extent of working together.

#37-#93-#27* 11-17-2003 09:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Peter
To Washington: Nedved, Poti ,Lundmark, Dunham, 1st pick '04,
2nd pick '05
To NY: Jagr, Kolzig and Lang

Aren't there rules against trolling?


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