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Thundermare 09-09-2006 07:24 PM

Matthieu Carle
 
Anybody saw him at camp?:hit:

How did he look?:confused:

What do you see in your Chrystal ball for him:dunno:

Dan K 09-09-2006 07:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Bartender (Post 6455918)
Anybody saw him at camp?:hit:

How did he look?:confused:

What do you see in your Chrystal ball for him:dunno:

I saw him at the development camp and he looked pretty good. Very good skater, smooth with the puck. Seemed to possess nice offensive instincts.

He got hit hard in game 1 of the rookie tournament yesterday and left the game. I'm not sure if he played in today's game.

Toro 09-09-2006 11:53 PM

i heard he was a scratch for todays game vs Florida


Hope he is ok for the next one

Talent Analyst 09-09-2006 11:55 PM

He have the potential to be a regular NHLer , but I don't like his attitude ..

Transported Upstater 09-09-2006 11:57 PM

Now, I haven't seen him play, but I've heard he has problems with hockey sense, foot speed and keeping wait off.

Can anyone confirm or deny this?

Souffle 09-10-2006 12:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Transported Upstater (Post 6457190)
Now, I haven't seen him play, but I've heard he has problems with hockey sense, foot speed and keeping wait off.

Can anyone confirm or deny this?

Gee, for the Habs' sake, I hope someone can deny this.

Transported Upstater 09-10-2006 12:09 AM

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Originally Posted by davedave (Post 6457248)
Gee, for the Habs' sake, I hope someone can deny this.

Yeah, as I said I have no idea if this is true or not. I can count the amount of Q games I've been to my life on one hand.

Apparently he has excellent offensive ability, though.

Toro 09-10-2006 12:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Transported Upstater (Post 6457190)
Now, I haven't seen him play, but I've heard he has problems with hockey sense, foot speed and keeping wait off.

Can anyone confirm or deny this?

I never heard that...


also

Don't tell me Wildone has been to the leafs board causing havoc as well.


Your quote of his is priceless:biglaugh:

Transported Upstater 09-10-2006 12:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Toro (Post 6457272)
I never heard that...


also

Don't tell me Wildone has been to the leafs board causing havoc as well.


Your quote of his is priceless:biglaugh:



LOL, oh he's been there, all right...:biglaugh:

Dan K 09-10-2006 08:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Transported Upstater (Post 6457190)
Now, I haven't seen him play, but I've heard he has problems with hockey sense, foot speed and keeping wait off.

Can anyone confirm or deny this?

From the bit I've watched, his foot speed doesn't seem to be a problem (though admittedly it was a very small sample). Hockey sense, defensively, might be a problem, as that was far from a focus of the camp.

His speed seems good, he has nice hands, and good offensive instincts. I don't know about the rest of his game.

The Prospector 09-10-2006 09:36 AM

Carle was one of the best D-man available at the last draft. He's got a great speed, not particularly explosive, but quite good. His offensive insticts are probably the best you'll get in the Q this year, it's tromendous. He's got awesome passes in PP what we call "tape-to-tape" passes. The only problem is his defensive play that needs a little bit of work. Some times he's minded offensive a little bit too much and he gets caught. He's more a risky defensman than others great like Marc-Édouard Vlasic (SJ) or even Kris Letang (Pit). Carle is normally strong on his skates and wins his 1 on 1 battle on the boards.

That's about it, from what i saw from him last year in the Q.

Whitesnake 09-10-2006 10:36 AM

Didn't like the pick at that time 'cause from what I've seen last year, I just didn't like the guy AND there's guys taken after him that will have, in my opinion, as d-man, a better NHL career, guys like Weber, Danis-Pepin, Junland, Strait and Ahnelov. And I'm not talking about the forwards that could have been taken like Geoffrion, Anisimov, Marchand, Forney, Armstrong....

Having said that, he kinda changed my mind when I saw him for a full week at the Dev. Camp. Though not the biggest by far, he's so smart with the puck, his passes are crisp, precise, nice positioning defensively but do miss that extra speed needed offensively like defensively.

That pick looks much better right now and we'll see how it turns down....

montreal 09-10-2006 11:47 AM

I've liked what I saw from Carle last year, although I've heard talk about problems with his conditioning I beleive, but haven't seen it. There's something about his skating that I think could use some work but I can't put my finger out it. I will hopefully see more of him this year and try and focus on his skating/foot speed. Clearly his best asset is his offensive skills, he racked up the points and should do the same this year. For me the real test will come in a year when he looks to make Hamilton's roster.

mayday199 09-11-2006 01:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Transported Upstater (Post 6457190)
Now, I haven't seen him play, but I've heard he has problems with hockey sense, foot speed and keeping wait off.

Can anyone confirm or deny this?

Based on the discussions I had with my friends who like myself watched Carle in town at least 4 times last year (the Acadie Bathurst Titan were in the same division as my hometown Seadogs) He defintely has the foot speed. No real explosiveness but quick enough to be picked out of Bathurt's defensive lineup by far. The rumors were he showed up to "Q" training Camp last year in the 220-230 pound range but slimmed down rather quickly to the 200 area, This seemed to be the reason he got the "Lazy" nametag linked to him.

Hockey sense looked OK but the thing you have to realize about his former team is they were an offensive juggernaut and got to play 2 expansion teams about 16 times ( I remember they beat my Seadogs by 8 goals at least twice). Carle would have had around 40-50 pts on an average team in the division. Its hard to judge his hockey sense but from what I saw he almost reminded me of watching a Forward play PP QB, but ALL THE TIME. Positionally he was ok but It looked like he wanted to play forward almost at times. Carle does pass really well.

I hoped the Candiens would pick him instead of Joe Ryan who I didnt get to see alot but seemed to be caste in the defensive defensiveman mode. Carle is a PP Quarterback, he has some hainsyish problems with his defensive hockey sense but hopefully that can be coached out of him. Will be a good replacement for markov on the PP in 5 years.

The Prospector 09-11-2006 08:14 AM

Picking Joey Ryan instead of Carle would've been a TERRIBLE mistake. Believe me, from what I see, Ryan is HIGHLY overrated. He's got a great size and that's what makes him look so great, but he definetly doesn't fit in the new NHL style. He's the kind of guy to hook almost every shift and he doesn't have the speed to follow the new rules.

Carle is WAY better than Ryan, that's not an opinion, that's a fact. Joey Ryan in an average team would've make... 15-20 pts and nobody would've pick Ryan...

Marc-E- 09-11-2006 08:23 AM

Could we say he's gonna be the next Patrice Brisebois? :dunno:

Blind Gardien 09-11-2006 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by The Prospector (Post 6463571)
Carle is WAY better than Ryan, that's not an opinion, that's a fact. Joey Ryan in an average team would've make... 15-20 pts and nobody would've pick Ryan...

I would be willing to bet that at least 50% of the NHL teams had Ryan ahead of Carle on their draft lists, though. But that's an opinion, not a fact. ;)

Habs4ever 09-11-2006 11:11 AM

i'd be very happy if he can reach that potential!!
 
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Originally Posted by Marc-E- (Post 6463599)
Could we say he's gonna be the next Patrice Brisebois? :dunno:

I don't know why briseboise gets bashed on this forum considering he was our top defencemen for few years, maybe he didn't deserve it but ultimately he was very good player for us, now if you hate him for personal reasons thats not my problem!!

The Prospector 09-11-2006 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Blind Gardien (Post 6464026)
I would be willing to bet that at least 50% of the NHL teams had Ryan ahead of Carle on their draft lists, though. But that's an opinion, not a fact. ;)

Well let me correct my sentence by saying, that Carle is way better offensively than Joey Ryan. That's a fact. But just because of his big size, Joey Ryan had an advantage on Carle last year, because Mathieu has more skills than Ryan, no questions about it.

Duster 09-11-2006 06:05 PM

Drafting Ben Maxwell just before may have allowed the team to choose a higher risk/higher ceiling player such as Carle. Without Maxwell, I wonder if Timmins would have chosen another player such as Ryan, for example.

the_crippler12 09-11-2006 07:00 PM

ma''t''hieu Carle

Weis 09-11-2006 09:57 PM

Nice return (2 goal, 5 assist) after his bad shift vs Toronto. Now lets hope that he gonna play a good game vs a better team tuesday. He cant do worse then his first game vs Toronto ;)

znk 09-11-2006 10:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Duster (Post 6466926)
Drafting Ben Maxwell just before may have allowed the team to choose a higher risk/higher ceiling player such as Carle. Without Maxwell, I wonder if Timmins would have chosen another player such as Ryan, for example.

I think they decided to pick Carle the moment they traded their first pick for a 1rst round + 2nd round pick.

Whitesnake 09-11-2006 10:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Duster (Post 6466926)
Drafting Ben Maxwell just before may have allowed the team to choose a higher risk/higher ceiling player such as Carle. Without Maxwell, I wonder if Timmins would have chosen another player such as Ryan, for example.

Well I would've pick a different duo Williams/Geoffrion or Anisimov/Weber or Danis-Pepin. You would still have 1 forward and 1 d-man. With Wiliams you would have somebody who some said he was a flop to be but taken at 49th, would've been a steal. With Geoffrion you would've a hard worker with a scoring touch and you never have enough of those. Or a tall talented center in Anisimov, a good 2-way d-man in Weber or a Chara to be in Danis-Pepin......

Well we will see later, I don't have our picks especially after seeing both guys at the Dev. Camp.

ChemiseBleuHonnete 09-11-2006 11:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Whitesnake (Post 6468998)
Well I would've pick a different duo Williams/Geoffrion or Anisimov/Weber or Danis-Pepin. You would still have 1 forward and 1 d-man. With Wiliams you would have somebody who some said he was a flop to be but taken at 49th, would've been a steal. With Geoffrion you would've a hard worker with a scoring touch and you never have enough of those. Or a tall talented center in Anisimov, a good 2-way d-man in Weber or a Chara to be in Danis-Pepin......

Well we will see later, I don't have our picks especially after seeing both guys at the Dev. Camp.

or what about McBain, Biega, Forney, etc ? There always a plenty of good prospects available, and projecting which one will develop right is very random. I think that Carle brings a package as good as anyone else you mentioned.


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