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Starsdude 10-16-2006 07:57 PM

Can we say yet it was a good deal for both teams
 
Ribby has made the stars second pp unit dangerous and he has seen limited even strength time thus anydeficiencies on defense (where he has been okay) and skating have not been apparent.

Janne seems to have been okay for you guys and that is great because he was never really given achance here and likely would not have seen much time given Klemm , a solid d-man has been a scratch all season. BTW thanks for Robidas , he has been great.

Rise from the Ashes 10-16-2006 08:03 PM

Congrats on Robidas, hes a very solid and quiet leader. Niinimaa has been solid for the Canadiens, and in my opinion will improve even more.

Mike8 10-16-2006 08:03 PM

I don't know. It's still early. Niinimaa's filling a real need for Montreal right now, and Ribeiro's fulfilling a need in Dallas, it seems, too. But it's still too early to say it was a good deal for both teams.

...

And thanks for Gainey, Carbonneau, and Jarvis, I suppose.

Toro 10-16-2006 08:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Mike8 (Post 6781293)

And thanks for Gainey, Carbonneau, and Jarvis, I suppose.

Hey we only loaned them, they are ours;)

Rise from the Ashes 10-16-2006 08:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Toro (Post 6781332)
Hey we only loaned them, they are ours;)

haha thats a true one.

Whitesnake 10-16-2006 08:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Starsdude (Post 6781210)
Ribby has made the stars second pp unit dangerous and he has seen limited even strength time thus anydeficiencies on defense (where he has been okay) and skating have not been apparent.

Janne seems to have been okay for you guys and that is great because he was never really given achance here and likely would not have seen much time given Klemm , a solid d-man has been a scratch all season. BTW thanks for Robidas , he has been great.

Well I would thank Atlanta first for for giving him to you in his first stint with the Stars and then secondly would thank Chicago for that stupid trade giving you Robidas, again, but most likely Fransson.....and then you might thank us for drafting him to let him know to the world.....

znk 10-16-2006 08:23 PM

I think there are players who will better compliment Ribeiro in Dallas. He just wasnt a fit anymore on this team.

tinyzombies 10-16-2006 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by znk (Post 6781535)
I think there are players who will better compliment Ribeiro in Dallas. He just wasnt a fit anymore on this team.

This is it. If we had the right complementary players, Ribs would have been fine here. But we have a size problem in the top 6. Still do.

JrHockeyFan 10-16-2006 08:42 PM

Hmmm
 
Can't complain at all. Niinimaa has done a good job. With the injuries, it is even more important to have an experienced Blue liner

Teufelsdreck 10-16-2006 09:22 PM

The Habs would be in really rough shape without Niinimaa, whereas Ribeiro's absence hasn't hurt them. He doesn't seem to be compatible with Kovalev and Samsonov. Playing in Dallas, he has a 44% faceoff percentage, so his line's opponents would have the puck 56% of the time. Since those three aren't the greatest defenders, that would have put the Habs at a disadvantage when Ribeiro lost a faceoff.

Anksun 10-16-2006 09:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Teufelsdreck (Post 6782337)
The Habs would be in really rough shape without Niinimaa, whereas Ribeiro's absence hasn't hurt them. He doesn't seem to be compatible with Kovalev and Samsonov. Playing in Dallas, he has a 44% faceoff percentage, so his line's opponents would have the puck 56% of the time. Since those three aren't the greatest defenders, that would have put the Habs at a disadvantage when Ribeiro lost a faceoff.

While i dont disagree with your premise (It's not hurting us), i'd say you are pushing it with Ribeiro's %. Right now, it seems every habs center is doing better than ever in the faceoff circle.

bonk +2%, Plekanec +3%, Koivu +a lot (about 9%), etc...

There's something there and it's not just those players winning more faceoffs without good coaching. Ribeiro would still be weak in the faceoff circle, mind you.

Rise from the Ashes 10-16-2006 10:01 PM

Janne Niinimaa is on his way to being re-signed by the habs as long as he can settle for about 1.5 million. If we can do that, we can let souray go or trade him and keep markov and rivet.

Starsdude 10-18-2006 10:06 AM

Ribby actually even backchecked last night and likely saved a goal. He has been far better than advertised but again he is with solid 2 way wingers (Morrow /Miets on the pp, Ott/ Miets 5on 5) and has seen limited 5 on 5 action. His value on the second pp unit though has made him a worthy role player. Again though if he was my #2 center I could see the deficiencies. Still Janne likely would have sat here as Modry has been better than advertised as well

Darz 10-18-2006 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Starsdude (Post 6797948)
Ribby actually even backchecked last night and likely saved a goal. He has been far better than advertised but again he is with solid 2 way wingers (Morrow /Miets on the pp, Ott/ Miets 5on 5) and has seen limited 5 on 5 action. His value on the second pp unit though has made him a worthy role player. Again though if he was my #2 center I could see the deficiencies. Still Janne likely would have sat here as Modry has been better than advertised as well


Ya, there is no doubting Ribs ability to creat offense, especially if he is given some time and space. Also, I assume if Rib's plays like the Rib's of old, there will be games that he teases you guys that he could be so much more. When he is giving it 110%, and making his little nifty place while still moving his feet, he can be quite dangerous. When his feet aren't moving, the worst dman in the league can easily neutralize him.

I think the way Dallas is playing him (limited 5 on 5 play, with alot of PP time), will probablely mazimize his strenghts and limit his weaknesses. I don't think that could of happen in Montreal. It would of created such an uproar is certain groups that it would probablely become a distraction to the team, so.....

417 10-18-2006 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Starsdude (Post 6797948)
Ribby actually even backchecked last night and likely saved a goal. He has been far better than advertised but again he is with solid 2 way wingers (Morrow /Miets on the pp, Ott/ Miets 5on 5) and has seen limited 5 on 5 action. His value on the second pp unit though has made him a worthy role player. Again though if he was my #2 center I could see the deficiencies. Still Janne likely would have sat here as Modry has been better than advertised as well

Ribeiro was never as bad a player as most non-Habs fans and 'some' over zealous Habs fans led you to believe

Ludo 10-18-2006 11:29 AM

I think Ribs will do ok in Dallas...just never lived up to the hype (albeit exagerated) in Montreal.

Niinima is proving to be quite the skilled player that certainly deserves a spot on any team's top 6 defensive unit (contrary to what was written at the time of the trade).

4 trente sous pour une piastre.
(4 quarters for a buck)

Whitesnake 10-18-2006 11:38 AM

Absolutely it's a win-win as far as I'm concerned. Though pointwise, Ribs will evidently become on top, Niniimaa fills a need and once he has more confidence, it will even be clearer that he will fit in admirably. I believe Ribs, is well used in Dallas too. But as a PP specialist, there's nothing wrong with that. I don't believe any team with him as a steady #2 will go far, mostly as far as Playoffs are concerned, but we're not there yet and there's definately room for him to evolve in another context.

Good Job by both GM's!

Teufelsdreck 10-18-2006 12:40 PM

Only an outstanding playoff performance could convince me that Ribeiro is anything but an exotic acquired taste.

mcphee 10-18-2006 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Diogenes (Post 6799467)
Only an outstanding playoff performance could convince me that Ribeiro is anything but an exotic acquired taste.

At least the Mets never had a 2nd baseman named Diogenes [that I know of]. I get confused easily.

Prrebel 10-18-2006 01:26 PM

Said it before and I'll say it again......
If the Habs only got an 8th round draft pick for Riberio, I would have been happy. As it turns out, I'm estatic. Riberio can score 30 goals and have 60 points for the Stars and I would still be happy with this trade.

Toro 10-18-2006 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Montreal Russians (Post 6782862)
Janne Niinimaa is on his way to being re-signed by the habs as long as he can settle for about 1.5 million. If we can do that, we can let souray go or trade him and keep markov and rivet.

except i would let go of rivet way before i let go of Souray. What can rivet do that souray can't? And what does souray do every game that rivet can't? think about it..

Poochie_D 10-18-2006 01:46 PM

I haven't seen Riberio play since being in Dallas but I have seen Janne and he has been very solid for us. Makes the right decisions with the puck most of the time and fairly quick for his size. He's the perfect bottom pairing defensemen in my mind. Has a little bit of everything (size, speed, offensive ability)

Teufelsdreck 10-18-2006 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Toro (Post 6800143)
except i would let go of rivet way before i let go of Souray. What can rivet do that souray can't? And what does souray do every game that rivet can't? think about it..

For one thing, Rivet shoots right. With Dandenault down, that leaves only Rivet and Komisarek.


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