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#44_delivers 10-19-2006 06:30 PM

key notes on our short season thus far
 
ok guys we all know the first line is doing good specialy higgins who's leading our club from points to +/- in catagories.
we all know the 2nd line is the "turnover trinity", and hasnt been dangerous.
we all know we got a goaltending contreversy in town.


here's a few positives we shouldnt forget,

komi is playing well and seriously getting better and better and you could see from his face he WANTS to play better and will strive to play better,

johnson has been an awesome aquisition, i love his game and he's doing better than most can in his circumstance, great penalty killer and will bury good chances, not only is he playing well look at who he's playing with; bonk and perez

most of you guys including me wanted to castrate bonk, bonk so far this year has been playing his role well (i'm crediting this to johnson)

perez is decent and worth holding on to (he'll develope like maxim afino...) i think he's developing defensive awarness right now and wont be a liability to hold on to, he's not someone i would give up on at all, and his work ethic will be appreciated and rewarded by carbo.



sammy was promised months not 6 games so lay off the guy for a bit, the talent is there now good coaching will take effect real soon,

plekanec is not a 2nd line centerman i like him and see him turning out to be a smart valuable player but most of you guys overrate this youngster %80 of you all were saying he'll get more points than higgins which i thought was a complete joke. http://hfboards.com/showthread.php?t=295815
the truth is he needs a bit of time to be offensive minded and skilled enough to play on the 2nd line (he still has that role and will continue to have it only becuase of bad depth and good effort on his behaf)

our defense besides komi, there are not too many upsides, markov will get back into his grove he's just too talented and smart not to start gamebreaking with his abilities.

rivet, souray, i'm not complaining i'm not praising either if that makes any sense.

dandy i thought was actualy playing well and picked up carbo's system immiedietly, it's too bad his hamstring.

niinimaa needs to cut back on penalties, if he does and improves to suite our system i think he'll be great with us.

another note i am a fan of the cube so i want him back.

goaltending is funny the contreversy is only going to diminish with more games, how many games it will require to see who our number one is thats the big question.


we are doing great buying into a new system from our new coach who has passion to rub off to his players, longer the season goes we'll get better and better,

guys our team is run by some VERY VERY SMART people.

there are other key notes fill in as i didn't cover all of em.

GOHABSGO

habs86 10-19-2006 10:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by #44_delivers (Post 6814279)
ok guys we all know the first line is doing good specialy higgins who's leading our club from points to +/- in catagories.
we all know the 2nd line is the "turnover trinity", and hasnt been dangerous.
we all know we got a goaltending contreversy in town.


here's a few positives we shouldnt forget,

komi is playing well and seriously getting better and better and you could see from his face he WANTS to play better and will strive to play better,

johnson has been an awesome aquisition, i love his game and he's doing better than most can in his circumstance, great penalty killer and will bury good chances, not only is he playing well look at who he's playing with; bonk and perez

most of you guys including me wanted to castrate bonk, bonk so far this year has been playing his role well (i'm crediting this to johnson)

perez is decent and worth holding on to (he'll develope like maxim afino...) i think he's developing defensive awarness right now and wont be a liability to hold on to, he's not someone i would give up on at all, and his work ethic will be appreciated and rewarded by carbo.



sammy was promised months not 6 games so lay off the guy for a bit, the talent is there now good coaching will take effect real soon,

plekanec is not a 2nd line centerman i like him and see him turning out to be a smart valuable player but most of you guys overrate this youngster %80 of you all were saying he'll get more points than higgins which i thought was a complete joke. http://hfboards.com/showthread.php?t=295815
the truth is he needs a bit of time to be offensive minded and skilled enough to play on the 2nd line (he still has that role and will continue to have it only becuase of bad depth and good effort on his behaf)

our defense besides komi, there are not too many upsides, markov will get back into his grove he's just too talented and smart not to start gamebreaking with his abilities.

rivet, souray, i'm not complaining i'm not praising either if that makes any sense.

dandy i thought was actualy playing well and picked up carbo's system immiedietly, it's too bad his hamstring.

niinimaa needs to cut back on penalties, if he does and improves to suite our system i think he'll be great with us.

another note i am a fan of the cube so i want him back.

goaltending is funny the contreversy is only going to diminish with more games, how many games it will require to see who our number one is thats the big question.


we are doing great buying into a new system from our new coach who has passion to rub off to his players, longer the season goes we'll get better and better,

guys our team is run by some VERY VERY SMART people.

there are other key notes fill in as i didn't cover all of em.

GOHABSGO



great you nailed many things on the head

baldrick 10-20-2006 10:56 AM

Can't argue with any of your points, good job.

"guys our team is run by some VERY VERY SMART people."
Very true, some of the people who lace on skates I'm not so sure about.:sarcasm:

Vasculio 10-20-2006 02:00 PM

Positive threads once in a while are fun and refreshing to read, thanks !

I agree with most of your points, and I'll add that Streit is actually decent, and even good sometimes, he learned alot from last year, and we may have a late bloomer here.

Again, good job !

Guy Caballero 10-20-2006 02:44 PM

Good post, #44. Refreshing to see some perspective among all the "[insert defenseman] sucks," "Second line sucks," "Laterndresse sucks" garbage clogging the board these days.

Azalichio 10-20-2006 04:27 PM

Here's a few more key notes since the start of the season.

We are 4th in the east, 4pts behind Buffalo but 2 ahead of Pittsburgh ( 9th )

17th in the league with an average of 2.83goals for per game
10th in the league with an average of 2.5 goals against per game
8th in the league with a Power play average of 20.7%
1st in the league with a Power kill average of 92.3%
1st in the league with a Face off % of 58.1%
22nd in the league with an average of 28.8 shots for per game
12th in the league with an average of 29.5 shots against per game
1st in the league with 3 shorthanded goals

So far we have faced Buffalo, Ottawa, Toronto, Calgary, Chicago and the Flyers. We came out of it with 8pts out of a possible 12 which is much better then anyone could have predicted before the season started.

Like we hoped, one of our goaltender is hot, the other is cold. While most people would probably prefer it was Huet that was hot, we all know this is exactly why we were happy to keep both goaltenders.

We are having a great start knowing we can do better, this is key. If we stay healthy, we'll only get better as the season goes.

VGTvidz 10-20-2006 05:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Azalichio (Post 6825773)
Here's a few more key notes since the start of the season.

1st in the league with a Power kill average of 92.3%
1st in the league with a Face off % of 58.1%
1st in the league with 3 shorthanded goals

Really happy to have Carbo & Muller. We were all freaking out during the preseason because the PK was terrible but I guess Carbo knew what he was doing (trying out all the possible duos)... one thing though, it would be cool if the players would try to get less penalties but anyway, keep up the good work guys! :clap: :clap:

Azalichio 10-20-2006 05:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VGTvidz (Post 6826182)
Really happy to have Carbo & Muller. We were all freaking out during the preseason because the PK was terrible but I guess Carbo knew what he was doing (trying out all the possible duos)... one thing though, it would be cool if the players would try to get less penalties but anyway, keep up the good work guys! :clap: :clap:

16th in the league with 39 shorthanded times. 13 less then Phoenix and 13 more then New Jersey. Not the best but not that bad either.

#44_delivers 10-20-2006 05:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Guy Caballero (Post 6824734)
Good post, #44. Refreshing to see some perspective among all the "[insert defenseman] sucks," "Second line sucks," "Laterndresse sucks" garbage clogging the board these days.

yeah i started feeling down with all the negativity in the room, but theres good reason to be optimistic, and some of the stats Azalichio provided show where we are improving.

i think the future looks bright, we're a good team, we're not an elite team but we are not that far off from it either.

Habs_Apostle 10-20-2006 05:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VGTvidz (Post 6826182)
Really happy to have Carbo & Muller. We were all freaking out during the preseason because the PK was terrible but I guess Carbo knew what he was doing (trying out all the possible duos)... one thing though, it would be cool if the players would try to get less penalties but anyway, keep up the good work guys! :clap: :clap:

That's freaking awesome! Our PKer's rock at the moment. Makes me sooo :D .

Guy Caballero 10-20-2006 05:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VGTvidz (Post 6826182)
Really happy to have Carbo & Muller. We were all freaking out during the preseason because the PK was terrible but I guess Carbo knew what he was doing (trying out all the possible duos)... one thing though, it would be cool if the players would try to get less penalties but anyway, keep up the good work guys! :clap: :clap:

Not to take anything away from Carbonneau and Muller, but I think our PK is due to the emergence of Higgins and Plekanec as top-notch PKers, the improved play of Bonk, the addition of Johnson, and Saku's healthy start.

As a group, our PKers are fast, smart, and hard working. I think Gainey deserves the credit as much as anyone for assembling them (and of course, the players themselves, who've risen to the challenge).

Turbo 10-20-2006 06:11 PM

Nice thread, good balanced perspectives. Our board needed that. Thanks, man.

VGTvidz 10-20-2006 06:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Guy Caballero (Post 6826547)
Not to take anything away from Carbonneau and Muller, but I think our PK is due to the emergence of Higgins and Plekanec as top-notch PKers, the improved play of Bonk, the addition of Johnson, and Saku's healthy start.

As a group, our PKers are fast, smart, and hard working. I think Gainey deserves the credit as much as anyone for assembling them (and of course, the players themselves, who've risen to the challenge).

We already knew that Higgins & Plekan were good PKers, they proved it last year. I don't recall seeing as many duos during the PK, we have Bonk-Johnson // Koivu-Higgins // Begin-Plekan-Murray-whoever you want ... the guys are always fresh and ready to put tons of pression on the other team

#44_delivers 10-20-2006 07:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Guy Caballero (Post 6826547)
As a group, our PKers are fast, smart, and hard working. I think Gainey deserves the credit as much as anyone for assembling them (and of course, the players themselves, who've risen to the challenge).

guy the beauty of it is that the whole organization is responsible for our pk success, the players, the coaches and the gm, they're all equally to thank. thats why things are optimistic in hab land its a balanced rightly guided organization right now, the pk is just one improvement of many to come, i beleive that whole heartedly.

toshiro 10-20-2006 08:53 PM

Im not sure anyone can predict how well Pleks will develop?

Guy Caballero 10-20-2006 09:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VGTvidz (Post 6826905)
We already knew that Higgins & Plekan were good PKers, they proved it last year. I don't recall seeing as many duos during the PK, we have Bonk-Johnson // Koivu-Higgins // Begin-Plekan-Murray-whoever you want ... the guys are always fresh and ready to put tons of pression on the other team

The 80s-era habs gave them a good run, right through the Burns years. If you couldn't kill penalties, you weren't on the team.

GoodKiwi 10-20-2006 09:31 PM

Souray sucks!
Second line sucks!
Latendresse sucks!

:teach:

Turbo 10-20-2006 09:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by P1x44r (Post 6828904)
Souray sucks!
Second line sucks!
Latendresse sucks!

:teach:

I offer you a non-exclusive list of threads from the past few days where these original inights could have been posted in.

But wait! There's more! I'll throw in a bonus "rivet sucks" thread for good measure:

1: http://hfboards.com/showthread.php?t=301579

2: http://hfboards.com/showthread.php?t=302678
http://hfboards.com/showthread.php?t=302069
http://hfboards.com/showthread.php?t=301451
http://hfboards.com/showthread.php?t=302326

3: http://hfboards.com/showthread.php?t=302551

4: http://hfboards.com/showthread.php?t=302635

Vasculio 10-20-2006 09:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by P1x44r (Post 6828904)
Souray sucks!
Second line sucks!
Latendresse sucks!

:teach:

Having a life helps making things easier sometimes, you should try...

Oh yeah, I almost forgot :teach:

GoodKiwi 10-20-2006 11:14 PM

Gee, way to detect sarcasm people. Lighten up! :dunce:

#44_delivers 10-20-2006 11:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Turbo (Post 6829079)
I offer you a non-exclusive list of threads from the past few days where these original inights could have been posted in.

But wait! There's more! I'll throw in a bonus "rivet sucks" thread for good measure:

1: http://hfboards.com/showthread.php?t=301579

2: http://hfboards.com/showthread.php?t=302678
http://hfboards.com/showthread.php?t=302069
http://hfboards.com/showthread.php?t=301451
http://hfboards.com/showthread.php?t=302326

3: http://hfboards.com/showthread.php?t=302551

4: http://hfboards.com/showthread.php?t=302635

lol yeah there sure is allot of negative threads in the habs room right now, its kind of sad i mean i've always said we got a rollercoaster fanbase but sometimes it gets out of control.

btw thats why its so hard to detect the sarcasm <--- directed at P1x44r

anyways GOHABSGO

Teufelsdreck 10-21-2006 12:17 AM

My global view of the Habs: They're not bad but they're lacking in depth. They're unable to roll out four effective lines and three nearly equal sets of Dmen. Beyond that, they're really thin. If there's even one more injury at D, I can't think of anyone in Hamilton who'd be ready to play regularly. Maybe Lapierre or Ferland could fill in on the fourth line, but I don't think either is qualified to go higher up. Kostitsyn is virtually an unknown quantity but I think he'd be the first callup after an injury to any wing on lines one to three. The goaltending has been OK but not in the highest echelon.

The fourth line personnel (Bégin, Downey, Murray, Latendresse) have zero points and are cumulatively -9.

So far, the strong point has been the penalty killing.

Raider917 10-21-2006 12:34 AM

i can only imagine what fans that arent happy with this start would feel if they were flyer or senator fans. :shakehead

Flyers are dead last in the NHL with 3 pts. 15 goals for and 33 against so far!!! Ottawa, with 4 pts, are tied for 2nd last in the NHL(with Phoenix) and have a PP unit that is only 2.9% effective.

Teufelsdreck 10-21-2006 12:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Raider917 (Post 6830469)
i can only imagine what fans that arent happy with this start would feel if they were flyer or senator fans. :shakehead

Flyers are dead last in the NHL with 3 pts. 15 goals for and 33 against so far!!! Ottawa, with 4 pts, are tied for 2nd last in the NHL(with Phoenix) and have a PP unit that is only 2.9% effective.

That may be, but the difference in points between the Habs and the trailing teams is rather small and easily overcome. Moreover, Atlanta and Florida look a lot stronger this season and could contest the Habs for a playoff spot, along with an improved Toronto. Even the Penguins can't be discounted now that Malkin is playing.

Turbo 10-21-2006 10:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by P1x44r (Post 6829925)
Gee, way to detect sarcasm people. Lighten up! :dunce:

Worse thing is I'm usually good at detecting it.... oh well... :innocent:


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