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bigmcbob 11-21-2006 12:33 PM

Oilers ink Staios to four-year extension
 
This is most likely what the Habs will have to pay to keep Rivet.

Souray will command much more in my opinion.

beowulf 11-21-2006 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by bigmcbob (Post 7128851)
This is most likely what the Habs will have to pay to keep Rivet.

Souray will command much more in my opinion.

Would be nice if you actually mentioned how much.....:dunno:

Freaky Habs Fan 11-21-2006 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by bigmcbob (Post 7128851)
This is most likely what the Habs will have to pay to keep Rivet.

Souray will command much more in my opinion.

You stole my thread ;)

I was about to post the same thing. Rivet and Staios are comparable IMO and the Oilers defenceman will have 2.7M per year for the next four season...

hototogisu 11-21-2006 12:49 PM

You forgot the terms and the link.

The Edmonton Oilers have secured a major piece of their defence corps, signing Steve Staios to a four-year contract extension, worth $10.9-million.

The contract will pay Staios $2.9-million in each of the next two seasons, followed by $2.8-million in 2009-2010 and $2.2-million in 2010-2011.


http://tsn.ca/nhl/news_story/?ID=185316

Blind Gardien 11-21-2006 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by bigmcbob (Post 7128851)
This is most likely what the Habs will have to pay to keep Rivet.

Souray will command much more in my opinion.

Good benchmark... if Rivet will take the same deal, sign him right now IMHO. :handclap:

psychonaut 11-21-2006 12:53 PM

I dont think so, Staios is a top 4 defence man, playing 20 min a game. Well Rivet is a number 5-6. So I think what he is making now is what he should get, 2-2.3 a year.

Lestriker 11-21-2006 12:55 PM

I like the fact that the money decreases over time.

Brett38 11-21-2006 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by psychonaut (Post 7129015)
I dont think so, Staios is a top 4 defence man, playing 20 min a game. Well Rivet is a number 5-6. So I think what he is making now is what he should get, 2-2.3 a year.


Ummmmmm....maybe, but I think he will get more then 2-2.3 a year.

Maybe a three year deal at 7.7 mill. Take that and run with it. He may want even more!

mcphee 11-21-2006 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Blind Gardien (Post 7128978)
Good benchmark... if Rivet will take the same deal, sign him right now IMHO. :handclap:

I'm starting to think that the market for these players gets driven by one identifiable skill. Staios, at least in my limited opinion of the guy, is a bit like rivet in that he's just a solid veteran D. Maybe a touch better in some aspects, a touch worse in others, but alike in that neither has a standout skill. Souray gets more because of the shot. PP points will come at a premium. Take away McCabe's pp contribution and is he better than these 2 guys ? granted McCabe's more than a specialist, as is Souray, but it's the one skill that tranlates into $.

So, if we share the GM job, we'd both sign Rivet [though I'd like 2 years at a touch less] and prepare to be universally hated on hf. I'd take the heat.

psychonaut 11-21-2006 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Brett38 (Post 7129064)
Ummmmmm....maybe, but I think he will get more then 2-2.3 a year.

Maybe a three year deal at 7.7 mill. Take that and run with it. He may want even more!

Ya well that pretty much what he got now, so what would Souray get 5 a year?? Then markov 6??? I mean this make no sence. I find we dont have that great of a defence but yet we cant even keep them??

IcE ColD 11-21-2006 01:14 PM

I dunno. Right now, Rivet is making 2.47M$/year (nhlpa.com). And be honest, he is playing his best hockey since last 2 seasons. I doubt he'll take the same amount since he clearly is a leader and is better than when he got his last contract...

But maybe he'll sign cheap to stay here. We'll see.

Little Nilan 11-21-2006 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by psychonaut (Post 7129156)
Ya well that pretty much what he got now, so what would Souray get 5 a year?? Then markov 6??? I mean this make no sence. I find we dont have that great of a defence but yet we cant even keep them??

Souray's comparable is McCabe and Markov's is Kaberle. I'm guessing they'll get similar deals.

mcphee 11-21-2006 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Jaded and Agrestic (Post 7129242)
Souray's comparable is McCabe and Markov's is Kaberle. I'm guessing they'll get similar deals.

Similar, but I was thinking Souray will get a little less [10-20%] and Markov may get what Kaberle did, [4.25 ?]. I think at the going rate for d men, Kaberle may be a bit underpaid, I'd easily pick him over McCabe and that has nothing to do with Kaberle's hot streak.

ChuckyToGally 11-21-2006 01:29 PM

I don't think that Rivet will take a paycut. He has no reason to do that since he's playing a better game right now. Staois may have more upside BUT he doesn't have the half of Rivet leadership.

IMO:

Rivet will ask 3M$
Souray will ask for at least 4M$
Markov will get between 4.5-5M$

Little Nilan 11-21-2006 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by mcphee (Post 7129286)
Similar, but I was thinking Souray will get a little less [10-20%] and Markov may get what Kaberle did, [4.25 ?]. I think at the going rate for d men, Kaberle may be a bit underpaid, I'd easily pick him over McCabe and that has nothing to do with Kaberle's hot streak.

Kaberle recieved a 4,75M contract, that seems like fair value for both Souray and Markov. Then again, neither are proven commodities like Kaberle is, so even though I wouldnt be surprised if they got more, I wouldn't be surprised if they got less either. I think the McCabes and Jovanovsky's of this league get overpaid often, it's what's scaring me in regards to Souray. I like him, but is he worth more then 4M? Was he well rounded like McCinnis or Blake we're, I'd say yes, but when he doesn't score, he can make the team look very bad.

Tricolore#20 11-21-2006 01:45 PM

Staios probably took less money than he could have received and signed at this stage, because he absolutely loves Edmonton. He is a community guy, and really speaks highly about the city. His blue collar workrate works in well with the persona of this city, and he is absolutely comfortable in having to raise a family here. I think Rivet probably feels the same way about Montreal, and it wouldn't surprise me if he took similar money, for the similar reasons. I would like to get at least one of our UFA defenseman tied up before the summer, and I think Rivet would probably be that guy.

waffledave 11-21-2006 02:01 PM

McGuire said the other night that he spoke with one of the 3 UFA d-men on the Habs (wouldn't say which one) and he said "I've never been a UFA before, this is my first chance and I'd like to see what I'm worth on the free market"

I don't think it was Markov...And to be honest, I get the feeling it's Rivet.

Tuggy 11-21-2006 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by waffledave (Post 7129616)
McGuire said the other night that he spoke with one of the 3 UFA d-men on the Habs (wouldn't say which one) and he said "I've never been a UFA before, this is my first chance and I'd like to see what I'm worth on the free market"

I don't think it was Markov...And to be honest, I get the feeling it's Rivet.

If I had to take a guess, then I'd guess Rivet aswell.

waffledave 11-21-2006 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Tuggy (Post 7129643)
If I had to take a guess, then I'd guess Rivet aswell.

Glad I'm not crazy.

Souray is always talking about how he loves it here and loves the team...Rivet, I've never heard him say that.

ppil 11-21-2006 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Jaded and Agrestic (Post 7129242)
Souray's comparable is McCabe and Markov's is Kaberle. I'm guessing they'll get similar deals.

Yeah but Kaberle got signed for cheap, so imo Markov will receive offers of more than 5M aka he's at least worth Kubina.

HabuseMoi 11-21-2006 05:44 PM

do we really want to sign a 5th defenseman at almost 3 millions per year?

JMMR 11-21-2006 05:52 PM

To think Rivet does not love Montreal is crazy, he is Koivu's best friend, has never worn another uniform, was given a rousing applause when he was drafted in the Forum.

But maybe your right, I would be shocked if he left Montreal though.

Psycho Papa Joe 11-21-2006 06:08 PM

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Originally Posted by psychonaut (Post 7129015)
I dont think so, Staios is a top 4 defence man, playing 20 min a game. Well Rivet is a number 5-6. So I think what he is making now is what he should get, 2-2.3 a year.

Hogwash. Rivet averages 22:30 minutes a game. Staios averages 21.44. They are roughly equal in the depth department.

David_99 11-21-2006 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by waffledave (Post 7129616)
I don't think it was Markov...And to be honest, I get the feeling it's Rivet.

If even Rivet considers leaving, anyone on our team could leave. Did he not learn anything from Quintal? Oh well, as long as he said "I'd like to see what I'm worth" instead of "I'd like to go to whoever pays me the most", then that's fine. I'd like to see what I was worth too. Doesn't mean I'd take an extra 1/2 Million to play in Columbus.... (Poor Columbus)

Little Nilan 11-21-2006 09:38 PM

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Originally Posted by waffledave (Post 7129616)
McGuire said the other night that he spoke with one of the 3 UFA d-men on the Habs (wouldn't say which one) and he said "I've never been a UFA before, this is my first chance and I'd like to see what I'm worth on the free market"

I don't think it was Markov...And to be honest, I get the feeling it's Rivet.

I'd be surprised if it wasn't Rivet. Rivet has some connections with TSN, namely Pierre McGuire.


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