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scosar 11-28-2003 04:46 PM

Higgins Scores in OT
 
Not sure about the rest of the game but Higgins just scored in OT to lead the Bulldogs to a 3-2 overtime win.

The announcers said the game was crap. Only the last 25 seconds were exciting.

The Dogs scored with 40 seconds to go to make it 2-1 and the Roadrunners scored with 19 seconds to send it to OT

Higgins had a goal and an assist. Hossa and Ferland had assists.

Ovelstadt and Suomavani had the other two. Sorry about the spelling on the last two names. Not familiar with either of them

Habsolution 11-28-2003 04:48 PM

From now on I shall call him Chris Clutch

theo6060 11-28-2003 04:50 PM

Sounds like a Roadrunner's game. No offence to the team or its fans, but that team only seems to really open things up if they're down. A pretty experienced AHL line-up, kinda boring.

scosar 11-28-2003 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by theo6060
Sounds like a Roadrunner's game. No offence to the team or its fans, but that team only seems to really open things up if they're down. A pretty experienced AHL line-up, kinda boring.


Al Craig who has been covering Hamilton AHL hockey forever says that Higgins won't be in Hamilton long he is playing too well. He also said that Perozhogin has been steady and very mature.

Marc the Habs Fan 11-28-2003 04:57 PM

Higgins keeps on racking up the points at the AHL level. He's gonna be a good one for us for a looooong time since he can play the offensive game while being an excellent defensive player as well.

Guy Caballero 11-28-2003 04:58 PM

Good. Let's dump Dackell and start Higgins off at wing. Dackell sucks the big one and Sundstrom is right behind him. They're both deadweight.

One soft defensive speacialist that contributes no offence? I guess I could take that if he was a really good penalty killer. But two of them? No frickin thanks.

Habsolution 11-28-2003 05:00 PM

Like I said before I think Higgins is our best prospect. The best package of talent and hard work we have. If he was a bruins he'd be in the NHL now.

Munchausen 11-28-2003 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Habsolution
Like I said before I think Higgins is our best prospect. The best package of talent and hard work we have. If he was a bruins he'd be in the NHL now.

Correction, if he was anything else than a Canadien he'd be in the NHL now. ;)

There's just those kind of misteries. He would probably be on par with Juneau defensively already and better offensively. I've never seen a prospect of ours be so intelligent defensively, both 5 on 5 and during PK. Plus he shows he has great hands around the net and a go-to attitude. I can't beleive the Habs don't feel he could help right now in the defensive system we play. Of course it's no big deal he has to spend half a year or maybe a bit more in the AHL but looking at him play during training camp I was just convinced he would make the team.

Marc the Habs Fan 11-28-2003 05:40 PM

Blame the freakin' guaranteed multi million dollar contracts :cry:

damn you AS :cry:


It's easy to say ''dump Juneau and Dackell'' but we can't forget they make more than 3 mil combined :cry:

Boutmania 11-28-2003 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Marc the Habs Fan
Blame the freakin' guaranteed multi million dollar contracts :cry:

damn you AS :cry:

Damn AS who actually drafted Higgins... Very smart comment...

Marc the Habs Fan 11-28-2003 05:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Boutmania
Damn AS who actually drafted Higgins... Very smart comment...


don't get me wrong, AS is a GREAT talent evaluator. Especially when it comes to young players.

But when it comes to spending, he was awful.

Bo 11-28-2003 07:09 PM

Game shouldn't have been that close. Dogs outshot Toronto 30-12.

Hainsey was +2 on the night.

ttnorm 11-28-2003 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Munchausen
He would probably be on par with Juneau defensively already and better offensively.

Offensively, I'd agree. Defensively, I'd be surprised. I am sure that the effort would be there but the jump up to the show is just too big for any 20 year old to be anything more than an average defensive player. If he comes up, let's not expect him to be Peca, at least not for 2-3 years, OK?

Munchausen 11-28-2003 07:36 PM

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Originally Posted by ttnorm
Offensively, I'd agree. Defensively, I'd be surprised. I am sure that the effort would be there but the jump up to the show is just too big for any 20 year old to be anything more than an average defensive player. If he comes up, let's not expect him to be Peca, at least not for 2-3 years, OK?

I'm basing my comparison on two things.

1- What I saw from Higgins both in Montreal and in the AHL leads me to beleive he's already sound (NHL level) defensively. It's his scoring that will take more time to florish in the NHL, not the other way around. Did you see him play?

2- Juneau is overrated defensively. He's not bad, maybe even good, but no way is he a dominant shutdown specialist. It was clear again tonight. Juneau is in his last miles as a NHLer, mostly because of his age and bad back, and it shows most of the time. That line would be nothing without Bulis' speed and strong forechecking abilities.

Now never have I said that Higgins is Peca or Madden level already, just that he would be at least on par with Juneau, which isn't the biggest deal since Juneau isn't that great in the 1st place. Just saying it couldn't be worse to have Higgins centering that 3rd line right now.

Mike8 11-28-2003 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by ttnorm
Offensively, I'd agree. Defensively, I'd be surprised. I am sure that the effort would be there but the jump up to the show is just too big for any 20 year old to be anything more than an average defensive player. If he comes up, let's not expect him to be Peca, at least not for 2-3 years, OK?

I'm with you on not wanting Higgins to be hyped, or placed in a situation where he'd be depended upon (eg. shut down center role) at this point in his career.

But I think he'd still be above average defensively. Higgins is so smart, with such excellent hockey sense that he covers the neutral zone well. He anticipates plays and has strong enough positioning and stick position to force turnovers. This is something lacking among Montreal forwards.

Higgins is also extremely strong along the boards. He has a good compact build and is mature (physically, and as a hockey player). I don't expect him to grow much more, or add much more than 5lbs.

Personally, I think he's NHL ready. On a decent team with a stronger core and identity, he would be an NHL player right now. On a team lacking intensity, leaders, commitment to the system, and an identity, he might just be better off in the AHL.

I know you've watched him in college, and know him as well or better than anyone here. But his game has progressed so much from training camp to this point, and his consistency has improved to such an extent that I would be surprised if he doesn't get a serious callup by season's end, and doesn't start in the lineup next year for the whole year.

theo6060 11-28-2003 08:03 PM

Has Higgins remained at center or has he been moved to left wing yet? I remember management saying they saw him as a left winger, but he was playing center when I saw him. Will they keep him at center?

CrAzYNiNe 11-28-2003 08:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Guy Caballero
Good. Let's dump Dackell and start Higgins off at wing. Dackell sucks the big one and Sundstrom is right behind him. They're both deadweight.

One soft defensive speacialist that contributes no offence? I guess I could take that if he was a really good penalty killer. But two of them? No frickin thanks.

Sigh, then when Higgins doesn't score he is going to be a bust. Dackel is there to stop the best players on the other team, he does a decent job. I would never want to see Higgins up against Thorton, not yet anyways.

Sundstrom has a lot of talent, but he is very shy when it comes to playing offensively, cause he took a defensive role in SJ. I don't think you can break it unless he plays with Gretzky again. Sundstrom should be delt, just cause he really is a total waste for us.

Natural Habs Fan 11-28-2003 08:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Marc the Habs Fan
don't get me wrong, AS is a GREAT talent evaluator. Especially when it comes to young players.

But when it comes to spending, he was awful.

and that's why Bob Gainey is now our GM :yo:

I really think we'll be a solid team in a few years. This summer we'll be losing a lot of contracts and that means more spots for guys like Higgins.

Guy! 11-28-2003 08:44 PM

I'm too tired to go into depth, but I think it's about time we started looking for a trading partner to dump Ribeiro on (sorry Pedneault) so we can get Higgins up there and into the role he seems to be being groomed for.

ACF

Guy Caballero 11-28-2003 08:53 PM

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Originally Posted by CrAzY_NiNe
Sigh, then when Higgins doesn't score he is going to be a bust. Dackel is there to stop the best players on the other team, he does a decent job. I would never want to see Higgins up against Thorton, not yet anyways.

Sundstrom has a lot of talent, but he is very shy when it comes to playing offensively, cause he took a defensive role in SJ. I don't think you can break it unless he plays with Gretzky again. Sundstrom should be delt, just cause he really is a total waste for us.

Sorry, Dackell is no shutdown specialist. He's a decent penalty killer in that he positions himself well to pick off passes and dump the puck down the ice, but he's too soft to be an effective shadow. Carbonneau was a shut-down guy; Dackell is roster filler.

Like I said, though. I wouldn't mind carrying one, but Dackell and Sundstrom is one soft whitebread player too many.

Wildbeliefs 11-28-2003 08:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Guy!
I'm too tired to go into depth, but I think it's about time we started looking for a trading partner to dump Ribeiro on (sorry Pedneault) so we can get Higgins up there and into the role he seems to be being groomed for.

ACF

Even if the Habs trade Ribs, I think Perreault would have prority at center for now. There's just too many centermen on the habs roster...

I'd actually really like to see Higgins center a "defensive specialist" third line that is also an offensive threat. Higgins with Bulis and someone else... Not that I want Higgins to replace Juneau right away, but I think that could be a really effective line in the future.

Munchausen 11-29-2003 02:37 AM

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Originally Posted by theo6060
Has Higgins remained at center or has he been moved to left wing yet? I remember management saying they saw him as a left winger, but he was playing center when I saw him. Will they keep him at center?

From the latest news I got I think he was playing on the second line on the wing.

Dagenais - Gratton - Balej
Higgins - Plekanec - Perezhogin

I'm not sure how the lines rearanged since Dagenais left however.

Habsolution 11-29-2003 02:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Munchausen
From the latest news I got I think he was playing on the second line on the wing.

Dagenais - Gratton - Balej
Higgins - Plekanec - Perezhogin

I'm not sure how the lines rearanged since Dagenais left however.

Pure guessing out there but I'd say that the lines are now the following :

Mystery man-Gratton-Balej
Hossa-Higgins-Perezhogin

Habsolution 11-29-2003 03:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Wildbeliefs

I'd actually really like to see Higgins center a "defensive specialist" third line that is also an offensive threat. Higgins with Bulis and someone else... Not that I want Higgins to replace Juneau right away, but I think that could be a really effective line in the future.

I'm with Mike8 on this one.

I love Higgins and I think he is our best prospect. The best package of hard work and talent we have. Looks like he is very responsible defensively and a clutch goal scorer. He also has some very good hockey sense and his work along the boards is solid. That being said I'm not sure if I'd want him to face other team's top lines just yet (if ever). I'd rather see him in an offensive role in Mtl. At first I also saw him as a checking line center in the Guy Carbonneau mold but I'm not so sure anymore. I think we desperatly need some offensively talented winger that is not a total defensive liability to emerge and Higgins might be just that. I think he would look good on Ribeiro's LW. He'd add some more defensive awareness to that line while being able to keep up with Ribeiro on ice vision. I think his speed and his shot would be a welcome addition to such a line. I'd really like to see him get a call up and be tried there by the end of the season. Also I'm concerned about his faceoffs abilities.

As for a Juneau replacement I think I'd like to see Hossa take his place somewhere in the near future. I think it's easier to groom 3rd line shutdown centers when you have a good system than top 2 lines wingers. Hossa is fast, he is strong and his game is more suited to the center position IMHO. I think he could do just as well as Juneau. I hope Juneau gets traded at the deadline for a late pick and that Hossa takes his place. He would have a easier time containing his man with his size and strenght than Juneau.

Munchausen 11-29-2003 03:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Habsolution
I think he would look good on Ribeiro's LW.

I was thinking about that too when looking at the game yesterday. Because let's face it, a Perreault - Ribeiro - Dagenais line is a scary thought if they're cought facing ANY kind of offensive threat. All of them are slow like hell (though Dagenais and Perreault seem to be the worst) and Higgins' speed combined with his grit and great defensive flair would allow this line to buzz in the offensive zone more effectively while being able to come back help out faster when the attack turns the other way.

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Originally Posted by Habsolution
As for a Juneau replacement I think I'd like to see Hossa take his place somewhere in the near future.

Again, yup. Why try to fight against his natural game? He's a center and a setter. He feels more comfortable in the passing job than scoring and even if his size and speed is very handy along the boards, I think it could just help that much more in a defensive role as it's usually the center that has the job to come back deeper in his zone and help out the Ds with the big forwards along the boards. Plus let's not forget that while Hossa's finnishing touch is still a question mark at the NHL level, his forechecking ability is nonetheless very strong and paired with Bulis, I think those two could work wonders in a checking role (less pressure to score, more speed and size to handle the opposition).


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