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Slick Nick 12-06-2006 11:28 PM

Gaaaaaaaaaaaarth
 
I can't stand this guy anymore.. I can't honestly remember a worse Habs player than Murray in the past 10 years. He can't even dream of touching a puck. He's falling down all the time, he's bad at everything, he takes dumb and costly penalties, he blinds his own goalie or defelcts pucks into his own net.... there is not a single positive in his game.

What the hell is he doing with the Habs?? Please explain to me...

at least put Downey on that line, or better recal Lappy.

:banghead: :madfire:

CoupeStanley 12-06-2006 11:32 PM

Gainey is a guy who takes a while to evaluate his staff, he'll pull the trigger on Garth sooner than later.

I hope for Lapierre... He'll have a grinder role for this team for a good while, please bring him already.

Boardish 12-06-2006 11:47 PM

I saw Garth Murray last week in Le centre Eaton, he seemed lost there too.

hototogisu 12-07-2006 12:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CoupeStanley (Post 7283082)
he'll pull the trigger on Garth sooner than later.

Geez, can't he just send him to the AHL? He doesn't have to KILL him. :sarcasm:

Habsfan18 12-07-2006 12:09 AM

he's been pretty brutal, loved him last year though.

Habbadasher 12-07-2006 12:55 AM

Last year he was very good, played hs role really well, but this year we have only seen flshes of last year guy.

Slick Nick 12-07-2006 01:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Habbadasher (Post 7283554)
Last year he was very good, played hs role really well, but this year we have only seen flshes of last year guy.

He was as bad last year, few lucky bounces and that's it... Murray = ECHL

Hammourabi 12-07-2006 01:07 AM

Last year, he had a more important role on the team, playing time on the pk. This year's resurgence of Bonk has meant that Murray plays a much less important role on the team, and has lessened icetime.

NewHabsEra* 12-07-2006 01:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Slick Nick (Post 7283051)
I can't stand this guy anymore.. I can't honestly remember a worse Habs player than Murray in the past 10 years. He can't even dream of touching a puck. He's falling down all the time, he's bad at everything, he takes dumb and costly penalties, he blinds his own goalie or defelcts pucks into his own net.... there is not a single positive in his game.

What the hell is he doing with the Habs?? Please explain to me...

at least put Downey on that line, or better recal Lappy.

:banghead: :madfire:

lol you have a short memorie...

First, Gart has played a bit better recently, more intensive and overall effective...

He still isnt a solid fourth line player but an ok one IMO...

In the past 10 years, we saw a ton of useless marginal fillers, Gart knows his role and do it decently... I think Gart and Begin would look better with a guy like Lapierre centering the line, cause this line is clearly lacking a natural center, both Gart and Steve are natural wingers..

Traverse, Poulin, Lind, Dagenais, Dackell... to name few... I still prefer Murray by a far margin.

Stradale 12-07-2006 02:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Boardish (Post 7283175)
I saw Garth Murray last week in Le centre Eaton, he seemed lost there too.

I saw him once in downtown too. He's one weird looking guy.

Slew Foots 12-07-2006 07:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Boardish (Post 7283175)
I saw Garth Murray last week in Le centre Eaton, he seemed lost there too.

Confused at Le Centre Eaton...sounds eerily familiar.

About three weeks ago, I saw him trying out some Jeans at Blue Marine in Le Centre Eaton. And believe me, he looked confused as hell when the girl working there told him "these ones are flared".

turnbuckle* 12-07-2006 07:50 AM

Haven't watched much hockey have you slick Nick? Ever come to the realization that teams are made up of scorers and checkers, not just scorers? I kow it's a hard theory for some of you to grasp. Ever pondered that a fourth-line guy that can kill penalties, will drop the gloves and play with all his heart is useful, or is the stat sheet all that matters? Murrray has been playing quite well lately if the bashers would ever take the time to actually watch his play. It's a joke is what it is.

I also get the feeling that some of you metrosexuals apparently dislike him becasue he's "not cute." Now there's a great reason to dislike him. Why do I get a feeling that if you kids had been around in the Jimmy Roberts era that you'd have hated him as well? A good checker, kinda goofy looking.....would have been a whipping boy for the fans who like their Habs cute that's for sure.

felixd 12-07-2006 07:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by turnbuckle (Post 7284374)
Haven't watched much hockey have you slick Nick? Ever come to the realization that teams are made up of scorers and checkers, not just scorers? I kow it's a hard theory for some of you to grasp. Ever pondered that a fourth-line guy that can kill penalties, will drop the gloves and play with all his heart is useful, or is the stat sheet all that matters? Murrray has been playing quite well lately if the bashers would ever take the time to actually watch his play. It's a joke is what it is.

I also get the feeling that some of you metrosexuals apparently dislike him becasue he's "not cute." Now there's a great reason to dislike him. Why do I get a feeling that if you kids had been around in the Jimmy Roberts era that you'd have hated him as well? A good checker, kinda goofy looking.....would have been a whipping boy for the fans who like their Habs cute that's for sure.

Garth Murray is dead sexy so that dispells your argument.

But I agree his play has improved of late, but I still prefer Downey over him in the line-up.

eddy 12-07-2006 08:38 AM

I liked Murray last year but I have to agree this year he has been pretty much useless. I would defiently like to see one of Kost, Milroy, Ferland or Lapierre get a call-up over him right now.

jcpenny 12-07-2006 08:43 AM

Murray plays with a lot of intensity and he has good speed but the problem is that he cant win any one on one battles. Streit looks better than him outhere.

417 12-07-2006 08:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by turnbuckle (Post 7284374)
Haven't watched much hockey have you slick Nick? Ever come to the realization that teams are made up of scorers and checkers, not just scorers? I kow it's a hard theory for some of you to grasp. Ever pondered that a fourth-line guy that can kill penalties, will drop the gloves and play with all his heart is useful, or is the stat sheet all that matters? Murrray has been playing quite well lately if the bashers would ever take the time to actually watch his play. It's a joke is what it is.

I also get the feeling that some of you metrosexuals apparently dislike him becasue he's "not cute." Now there's a great reason to dislike him. Why do I get a feeling that if you kids had been around in the Jimmy Roberts era that you'd have hated him as well? A good checker, kinda goofy looking.....would have been a whipping boy for the fans who like their Habs cute that's for sure.

I agree in part with you here...yes, the Habs do need players of Murray's ilk, the hard working, grinding type of player. You won't get an argument from me.

However, Murray has been awful since game 1...I don't see where his game has improved, he is working hard i'll give him that, but I find he's working hard 'stupidly', if that makes any sense

Duff88 12-07-2006 08:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Slick Nick (Post 7283051)
I can't stand this guy anymore.. I can't honestly remember a worse Habs player than Murray in the past 10 years.

Do you want some help? I don't think you've seen the list, and these are only the ones that you can't argue about:

Patrick Traverse
Pierre Dagenais
Benoit Gratton
Gordie Dwyer
Sylvain Blouin
Patrick Traverse
Sergei Berezin
Eric Landry
Marti Jarventtie
Jim Campbell
Xavier Deslisle
Gino Odjick
Johan Witehall
Patrick Traverse
Eric Chouinard
Andrei Bashkirov
Christian Laflamme
Mathieu Descoteaux
Darryl Shannon
Barry Richter
Patrick Traverse
Enrico Ciconne
Eric Bertrand
Matt Higgins
Francis Belanger
Patrick Traverse
Jesse Belanger
Jim Cummins
Miroslav Guren
Patrick Traverse
Dave Morissette
Jason Dawe
Brett Clark
Eric Houde
Terry Ryan
Patrick Traverse
Brad Brown
Alain Nasredinne
Frederic Chabot
Zarley Zalapski
Patrcick Traverse
Mick Vukota
David Ling
François Groleau
Pierre Sevigny
Patrcick Traverse

There might be a name I've said more than once... ;)

417 12-07-2006 08:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Duff88 (Post 7284817)
Do you want some help? I don't think you've seen the list, and these are only the ones that you can't argue about:

Patrick Traverse
Pierre Dagenais
Benoit Gratton
Gordie Dwyer
Sylvain Blouin
Patrick Traverse
Sergei Berezin
Eric Landry
Marti Jarventtie
Jim Campbell
Xavier Deslisle
Gino Odjick
;)

wow...there's a blast from the past

Harry Kakalovich 12-07-2006 09:11 AM

I like Garth Murray. He is young still, but if he could hone his game (and it seems to be improving) I think he is an above average fourth line player. He's got wheels, can hit, hustles, is willing to drop the gloves, and has a bit of a scoring touch. The Habs have to be patient with the young guys, even the young muckers. Don't forget, there are 8 UFAs on the team this year, so if you lose Murray for nothing today, he'll look pretty good while playing with Columbus next year.

hab 12-07-2006 09:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Slick Nick (Post 7283576)
He was as bad last year, few lucky bounces and that's it... Murray = ECHL

he never even put points up in the AHL, maybe the ECHL is his calling:)

Artie 12-07-2006 10:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Duff88 (Post 7284817)
Do you want some help? I don't think you've seen the list, and these are only the ones that you can't argue about:

Patrick Traverse
Pierre Dagenais
Benoit Gratton
Gordie Dwyer
Sylvain Blouin
Patrick Traverse
Sergei Berezin
Eric Landry
Marti Jarventtie
Jim Campbell
Xavier Deslisle
Gino Odjick
Johan Witehall
Patrick Traverse
Eric Chouinard
Andrei Bashkirov
Christian Laflamme
Mathieu Descoteaux
Darryl Shannon
Barry Richter
Patrick Traverse
Enrico Ciconne
Eric Bertrand
Matt Higgins
Francis Belanger
Patrick Traverse
Jesse Belanger
Jim Cummins
Miroslav Guren
Patrick Traverse
Dave Morissette
Jason Dawe
Brett Clark
Eric Houde
Terry Ryan
Patrick Traverse
Brad Brown
Alain Nasredinne
Frederic Chabot
Zarley Zalapski
Patrcick Traverse
Mick Vukota
David Ling
François Groleau
Pierre Sevigny
Patrcick Traverse

There might be a name I've said more than once... ;)

You forgot Murray Baron

and you know what just because I can...I'm throwing Marc Bureau in there.

Skyblaze 12-07-2006 11:01 AM

:biglaugh: :naughty:
Quote:

Originally Posted by CoupeStanley (Post 7283082)
Gainey is a guy who takes a while to evaluate his staff, he'll pull the trigger on Garth sooner than later.

I hope for Lapierre... He'll have a grinder role for this team for a good while, please bring him already.

Quote:

Originally Posted by hototogisu (Post 7283307)
Geez, can't he just send him to the AHL? He doesn't have to KILL him. :sarcasm:

Gainey won't make the same mistake that we made with LeClair. He won't take the chance that the trade might backfire on us. :D

Lestriker 12-07-2006 11:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Duff88 (Post 7284817)
Do you want some help? I don't think you've seen the list, and these are only the ones that you can't argue about:

Patrick Traverse
Pierre Dagenais
Benoit Gratton
Gordie Dwyer
Sylvain Blouin
Patrick Traverse
Sergei Berezin
Eric Landry
Marti Jarventtie
Jim Campbell
Xavier Deslisle
Gino Odjick
Johan Witehall
Patrick Traverse
Eric Chouinard
Andrei Bashkirov
Christian Laflamme
Mathieu Descoteaux
Darryl Shannon
Barry Richter
Patrick Traverse
Enrico Ciconne
Eric Bertrand
Matt Higgins
Francis Belanger
Patrick Traverse
Jesse Belanger
Jim Cummins
Miroslav Guren
Patrick Traverse
Dave Morissette
Jason Dawe
Brett Clark
Eric Houde
Terry Ryan
Patrick Traverse
Brad Brown
Alain Nasredinne
Frederic Chabot
Zarley Zalapski
Patrcick Traverse
Mick Vukota
David Ling
François Groleau
Pierre Sevigny
Patrcick Traverse

There might be a name I've said more than once... ;)

Awesome list! :)

kostitsyn1489 12-07-2006 11:16 AM

Hum murray has probleme in his own zone this season I dontknow why but he's notn the same player. But a sure thing is. He's a lot better then Bégin in offensive zone! He couldve score 10 goals and get 10 assists so far.

We should keep him and I'm sure he'll be good. He's still young and last year he was really good.

Quiet Robert 12-07-2006 12:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Duff88 (Post 7284817)
Do you want some help? I don't think you've seen the list, and these are only the ones that you can't argue about:

Patrick Traverse
Pierre Dagenais
Benoit Gratton
Gordie Dwyer
Sylvain Blouin
Patrick Traverse
Sergei Berezin
Eric Landry
Marti Jarventtie
Jim Campbell
Xavier Deslisle
Gino Odjick
Johan Witehall
Patrick Traverse
Eric Chouinard
Andrei Bashkirov
Christian Laflamme
Mathieu Descoteaux
Darryl Shannon
Barry Richter
Patrick Traverse
Enrico Ciconne
Eric Bertrand
Matt Higgins
Francis Belanger
Patrick Traverse
Jesse Belanger
Jim Cummins
Miroslav Guren
Patrick Traverse
Dave Morissette
Jason Dawe
Brett Clark
Eric Houde
Terry Ryan
Patrick Traverse
Brad Brown
Alain Nasredinne
Frederic Chabot
Zarley Zalapski
Patrcick Traverse
Mick Vukota
David Ling
François Groleau
Pierre Sevigny
Patrcick Traverse

There might be a name I've said more than once... ;)


Oh man does that ever hurt. :shakehead What a bunch of piss poor excuses for a team we fielded for nearly 10 years. And the worst part is, I can remember thinking "we might not be that bad." Or "Rucinsky-Koivu-Savage could be a good line for us." Wow.



As for Murray, it's been pretty much beaten to death so far this year. So far he's done nothing to deserve being played ahead of Downey imo. The problem is he seems to have caught Bulis-itis. He'll make a few decent bodychecks, but in no way will he pay the price to get the job done. He turns away from checks, shys away from hits and battles in corners, doesn't initiate much contact, doesn't forcheck hard etc...For a guy with limited skill, playing such a tentative game is a recipe for disaster. He needs to play on the edge and go all out to be effective. He's also seen his PK time cut down from last year which further dimishes his usefulness.


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