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kacz 11-29-2003 01:24 PM

Some Proposals (EDM/PHO, OTT/WSH, BUF/LA)
 
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To EDM
-Krystofer Kolanos

To PHO
-Brad Isbister
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To OTT
-Danius Zubrus
-Brendan Witt
-3rd Rounder

To WSH
-Karel Rachunek
-Petr Schastlivy
-Antoine Vermette
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To BUF
-Joe Corvo
-2nd rounder

To LA
-Alexei Zhitnik
-Eric Boulton
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What do you guys think?

KillToronto 11-29-2003 01:27 PM

Quote:

To BUF
-Joe Corvo
-2nd rounder

To LA
-Alexei Zhitnik
-Eric Boulton
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Not entirely bad as Boulton is useless to the Sabres and I like getting a 2nd rounder, however I think the Sabres can do better than that when dealing Zhitnik.

Face Wash 11-29-2003 01:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KillToronto
Not entirely bad as Boulton is useless to the Sabres and I like getting a 2nd rounder, however I think the Sabres can do better than that when dealing Zhitnik.

Add the added salary going LA's way and you'd have to restructure ithis deal. But not a bad start.

kolanos 11-29-2003 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Zherdev
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To EDM
-Krystofer Kolanos

To PHO
-Brad Isbister

Phoenix has been there, done that. They won't touch this with a ten foot pole.

Legionnaire 11-29-2003 01:41 PM

.....and it would have to be a 2nd in 2005

IkeaMonkey* 11-29-2003 01:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zherdev
To OTT
-Danius Zubrus
-Brendan Witt
-3rd Rounder

To WSH
-Karel Rachunek
-Petr Schastlivy
-Antoine Vermette
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Where do I sign?

Sabot55 11-29-2003 05:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zherdev

To BUF
-Joe Corvo
-2nd rounder

To LA
-Alexei Zhitnik
-Eric Boulton
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What do you guys think?

Not sure if LA has that 2nd round pick in the 2004 draft. If not, how about:

To Buffalo
Joe Corvo
Petr Kanko

To Los Angeles
Alexei Zhitnik
Eric Boulton

Frolov 11-29-2003 06:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sabot55
Not sure if LA has that 2nd round pick in the 2004 draft. If not, how about:

To Buffalo
Joe Corvo
Petr Kanko

To Los Angeles
Alexei Zhitnik
Eric Boulton

Kanko is off limits, sorry.

Sabot55 11-29-2003 06:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Frolov
Kanko is off limits, sorry.

He'd look real good playing with his Kitchener teammate, Derek Roy. But Roy is just as untouchable, or even more so, than Kanko. So I guess it won't happen anytime soon.

Frolov 11-29-2003 06:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sabot55
He'd look real good playing with his Kitchener teammate, Derek Roy. But Roy is just as untouchable, or even more so, than Kanko. So I guess it won't happen anytime soon.

Ya Kanko almost made the team as an 18 year old his draft year. The guys a tank.

Bobby Ryan Getzlaf 11-29-2003 07:06 PM

Quote:

Not sure if LA has that 2nd round pick in the 2004 draft. If not, how about :
They got about two I think. They traded the one from Detroit, but still have the one from Philly and I think their own.

As for the deals, the OTT-WAS one is brutal. Sens get owned in that one. The EDM-PHO one is also pretty brutal, as the Oil don't need another centerman, one who is now in the AHL, and Izzy is doing decent. The LA-BUF one is actually quite good, though. It's practically Zhitnik for Corvo and a 2nd. It could use a bit of working out, but it's a good start.

Takeo 11-29-2003 07:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zherdev
To BUF
-Joe Corvo
-2nd rounder

To LA
-Alexei Zhitnik
-Eric Boulton

Pointless for Buffalo.

Sabot55 11-29-2003 07:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Takeo21
Pointless for Buffalo.

Not that pointless. Buffalo drops over $3 million in salary, which could be used to make other trades possible. Zhitnik is also a UFA at the end of the season. While not an ideal return, it is better than nothing at all.

Frolov 11-29-2003 07:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ducksflytogether
They got about two I think. They traded the one from Detroit, but still have the one from Philly and I think their own.

They traded one for Stumpel and another one for Cechmanek.

They don't have any 2nd round picks this year.

Sabot55 11-29-2003 07:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Frolov
They traded one for Stumpel and another one for Cechmanek.

They don't have any 2nd round picks this year.

I didn't think so. Also, is LA looking for a new goaltender? I know Cechmanek is a slow starter, but he doesn't look to be playing well. And I doubt Huet is the long-term answer.

Frolov 11-29-2003 07:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sabot55
I didn't think so. Also, is LA looking for a new goaltender? I know Cechmanek is a slow starter, but he doesn't look to be playing well. And I doubt Huet is the long-term answer.

Sure we can allways use a young goalie. Again it depens on what you want back.

Sabot55 11-29-2003 07:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Frolov
Sure we can allways use a young goalie. Again it depens on what you want back.

Again, I'd like Gleason. And again, yourself and other Kings fans would say no. I don't think Gleason's untouchable like Frolov and Grebeshkov, though.

Not too many teams are looking for goaltenders right now. So if LA is in need of one, they would be an attractive trading partner for Buffalo. Buffalo has two very good young goalies on the team now, and potentially the best of the three in the AHL.

Not sure if LA can take one Biron's salary.

Frolov 11-29-2003 08:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sabot55
Again, I'd like Gleason. And again, yourself and other Kings fans would say no. I don't think Gleason's untouchable like Frolov and Grebeshkov, though.

Not too many teams are looking for goaltenders right now. So if LA is in need of one, they would be an attractive trading partner for Buffalo. Buffalo has two very good young goalies on the team now, and potentially the best of the three in the AHL.

Not sure if LA can take one Biron's salary.


I hope you're not expecting Gleason for Biron.

The one in the AHL...that's the guy I'd trade Gleason for but I doubt he's available.

DaleHunter 11-29-2003 08:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zherdev
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To OTT
-Danius Zubrus
-Brendan Witt
-3rd Rounder

To WSH
-Karel Rachunek
-Petr Schastlivy
-Antoine Vermette

I don't know why I see Caps fans wanting this deal to happen. He get 2 smallish prospects on the cusp who (while they are gifted offensively) are rather suspect defensively and struggle with consistency. Plus we get another offensive defenseman... when what we need is a defensive stay-at-home stalwart. On top of that we send away our best defensive defenseman and one of our more consistent forwards who's also our only real power forward that has an offensive touch. I would NOT make this deal. We already have several smallish offensively gifted prospects on the cusp who are suspect defensively and aren't exactly consistent (Semin, Gordon top that list, but guys like Ciernik and Willsie also fit some of that description).

We need a good defensive defenseman. We aren't going to be giving up one of our only 2 NHL veteran defensemen to get him. Just like if we trade Olie to a team, we AREN'T going to be needing a goalie in return since Ouellet would step into that role as #1.

Also, considering how much McPhee loves Zubrus (plus the fact that he's cheap and still only 25), don't expect to see him involved in any trades unless it's bringing established talent in their primes. Zubrus is also playing some of the best hockey of his career, and is likely going to have a breakout season this year. If the rest of the team could just get their **** together, he'd have a lot more points to show for it.

Sabot55 11-29-2003 08:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Frolov
I hope you're not expecting Gleason for Biron.

The one in the AHL...that's the guy I'd trade Gleason for but I doubt he's available.

Nope. A package deal that includes Biron, potentially. As for Ryan Miller, the Kings would have to trade more than Gleason for him. He's right up there with Lehtonen as top goaltender prospects (though 3 years older than Lehtonen) and he's tearing up the AHL this year. Biron and Noronen are good in their own right, but they are just occupying the Buffalo crease until Miller's ready.

PhoPhan 11-29-2003 08:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kolanos
Phoenix has been there, done that. They won't touch this with a ten foot pole.

Agreed. They have the power forward they need in Doan, and he is having an awesome year. Even though Kolanos isn't playing well this year, he is only 20 and has a lot of potential.

st_roland 11-29-2003 11:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaleHunter
I don't know why I see Caps fans wanting this deal to happen. He get 2 smallish prospects on the cusp who (while they are gifted offensively) are rather suspect defensively and struggle with consistency. Plus we get another offensive defenseman... when what we need is a defensive stay-at-home stalwart. On top of that we send away our best defensive defenseman and one of our more consistent forwards who's also our only real power forward that has an offensive touch. I would NOT make this deal. We already have several smallish offensively gifted prospects on the cusp who are suspect defensively and aren't exactly consistent (Semin, Gordon top that list, but guys like Ciernik and Willsie also fit some of that description).

We need a good defensive defenseman. We aren't going to be giving up one of our only 2 NHL veteran defensemen to get him. Just like if we trade Olie to a team, we AREN'T going to be needing a goalie in return since Ouellet would step into that role as #1.

Also, considering how much McPhee loves Zubrus (plus the fact that he's cheap and still only 25), don't expect to see him involved in any trades unless it's bringing established talent in their primes. Zubrus is also playing some of the best hockey of his career, and is likely going to have a breakout season this year. If the rest of the team could just get their **** together, he'd have a lot more points to show for it.


Fantastic Analysis, for this season. In the long run this offer would possibly help Wsh, as they'd be stacked top to bottom with 1st tier forward prospects and could probably work deals to get defensemen. However, Zubrus' involvment in the deal nixes it for me. He has really impressed me this season and been one of the few highlights for the caps. If I was a sens fan interested in the cup this season, i'd take this deal.

Vyse 11-29-2003 11:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PhoPhan
Agreed. They have the power forward they need in Doan, and he is having an awesome year. Even though Kolanos isn't playing well this year, he is only 20 and has a lot of potential.

Kolanos isn't 20 he is 22

no reason for Edmonton to do this deal and Oilers have enough centremen as it is

Izzy been good for the last month

Kruschiki 11-30-2003 03:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sabot55
Not sure if LA has that 2nd round pick in the 2004 draft. If not, how about:

To Buffalo
Joe Corvo
Petr Kanko

To Los Angeles
Alexei Zhitnik
Eric Boulton

This would have to be a deadline deal with the sabres certainly OUT of the playoff hunt as their defense would collapse w/o Zhitnik the workhorse.

Sabot55 11-30-2003 06:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jj@jj.com
This would have to be a deadline deal with the sabres certainly OUT of the playoff hunt as their defense would collapse w/o Zhitnik the workhorse.

Or to open up $3M, making another trade possible, which could strengthen the blueline. Trading Zhitnik could be an enabling move.


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