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Terrier 12-05-2003 09:30 AM

Esposito's Book
 
Just wondering, have any Ranger fans here read Phil Esposito's new book, "Thunder and Lightning"? It's a brutally frank book, and includes a lot of Ranger stories about players like Don Murdoch. There is a segment on Esposito attempting to acquire Messier and Gretzky during the 80's, only to have MSG management squash the deals because they were already selling out every game.

http://www.thejournalnews.com/newsro...2nhlnotes.html

John Flyers Fan 12-05-2003 10:15 AM

Unfortunately, Phil seems to be just like a ton of other athletes of late (Wells, LT etc.) that feel they need to embellish things just a big to seel some books.

A number of people have already called some of the stuff Phil has in his book complete lies.

JCProdigy 12-05-2003 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by John Flyers Fan
Unfortunately, Phil seems to be just like a ton of other athletes of late (Wells, LT etc.) that feel they need to embellish things just a big to seel some books.

A number of people have already called some of the stuff Phil has in his book complete lies.

Is some of what Espo wrote in his book embellished? Probably yes but the problem with the guys saying that his book is full of lies, is that they too have their own agendas.

Same could be said about what other Football players are saying about LT's book. If you were LT's teammate/competition and he came out with this book would you like to have to explain to your family about your involvement in hookers, drugs, and payoffs? If they said those things happened then they'd be incriminating themselves. As they always say: "Where there's smoke there's fire."

John Flyers Fan 12-05-2003 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by JCProdigy
Is some of what Espo wrote in his book embellished? Probably yes but the problem with the guys saying that his book is full of lies, is that they too have their own agendas.

Yes, but making up trade offers that never happened is more than just embellishing things.

Barnaby 12-05-2003 07:28 PM

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Originally Posted by John Flyers Fan
Yes, but making up trade offers that never happened is more than just embellishing things.

Maybe they were lies and maybe they weren't. How the heck do we know?

John Flyers Fan 12-05-2003 07:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Barnaby
Maybe they were lies and maybe they weren't. How the heck do we know?


When the opposing GM, owner, and 3 hockey writers all agree that it's made up, I'll believe that group over Esposito.

Especially when the players talked about being dealt were no longer on the team.

Espo said that Clarke wanted to include Brind'amour in the original trade for Gratton.

Truth is, Clarke didn't want to include any players, he just wanted to give up the draft picks for signing a RFA. At the last minute Ed Snider convinced Clarke to make a trade for Gratton, that it would be better for the league than to do an RFA signing. The end deal was Renberg & Dykhuis.



Clarke is not the only GM that has accused Espo of lying in his book.

Barnaby 12-05-2003 07:40 PM

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Originally Posted by John Flyers Fan
When the opposing GM, owner, and 3 hockey writers all agree that it's made up, I'll believe that group over Esposito.

Especially when the players talked about being dealt were no longer on the team.

Espo said that Clarke wanted to include Brind'amour in the original trade for Gratton.

Truth is, Clarke didn't want to include any players, he just wanted to give up the draft picks for signing a RFA. At the last minute Ed Snider convinced Clarke to make a trade for Gratton, that it would be better for the league than to do an RFA signing. The end deal was Renberg & Dykhuis.



Clarke is not the only GM that has accused Espo of lying in his book.

He probably did lie. You dont sell many books without any controversial info. I'm just saying for us to know what offers were real or fake is awfully difficult. Also, I havent read the book but he probably brings up only good offers (Mess, Gretz) to make himself look like a genius. Most probably are fake but we cant know for sure.

JCProdigy 12-06-2003 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by John Flyers Fan
When the opposing GM, owner, and 3 hockey writers all agree that it's made up, I'll believe that group over Esposito.

I really choose to believe neither as all of them still have their own agenda's. Mess won a cup in edmonton after this supposed trade that fell through. No Mess equals no cup. Not something that you want to be known to almost screw up. Also the opposing GM just happens to be Sather and I don't know if Espo has FLAT OUT lied to the fans in public before, but I do know Sather has. You might remember....the no way is he trading for Lindros quote at a long time ticket holders dinner?

And hockey writers of course are in "the know" with all their credible sources. I've never heard them be wrong about many things before. Of course, according to some writers, Jagr has been traded to the Rangers twice all ready. Like I said I don't really believe any of them but Espo bringing up things like he did sure makes for a good conversation piece and some fantasies that any Ranger fan could use at this point in time.

pld459666 12-06-2003 02:57 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by John Flyers Fan
When the opposing GM, owner, and 3 hockey writers all agree that it's made up, I'll believe that group over Esposito.

Especially when the players talked about being dealt were no longer on the team.

Espo said that Clarke wanted to include Brind'amour in the original trade for Gratton.

Truth is, Clarke didn't want to include any players, he just wanted to give up the draft picks for signing a RFA. At the last minute Ed Snider convinced Clarke to make a trade for Gratton, that it would be better for the league than to do an RFA signing. The end deal was Renberg & Dykhuis.



Clarke is not the only GM that has accused Espo of lying in his book.


Not for anything, but this is the 2nd time I heard about the Ranger pitching for both Mess and Gretz.

I either read in a book that Espo made a play for both or heard somethign about in on TV but this is the 2nd time that that comment was made.

Barnaby 12-06-2003 09:47 PM

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Originally Posted by pld459666
Not for anything, but this is the 2nd time I heard about the Ranger pitching for both Mess and Gretz.

I either read in a book that Espo made a play for both or heard somethign about in on TV but this is the 2nd time that that comment was made.

Exactly. Who knows? Is Sather going to admit to wanting to trade Mess earlier when it woulda been an awful move? Of course not. Why make yourself look bad. Are the Rangers going to admit backing out? Of course not it makes them look foolish. Or maybe Espo wants to come across as a genius.

Like I said, Who knows?

33teddy33 12-08-2003 05:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Barnaby
Exactly. Who knows? Is Sather going to admit to wanting to trade Mess earlier when it woulda been an awful move? Of course not. Why make yourself look bad. Are the Rangers going to admit backing out? Of course not it makes them look foolish. Or maybe Espo wants to come across as a genius.

Like I said, Who knows?

Who cares? You guys ever see him play in a Blueshirt besides an "Old Timers" game anyhow?
Relax.
Sticks and stones.
We've all embellished a little.
So the guy had a boring life besides playing hockey and wants to look like a genious.... so what.
Who knows who is lying. Whats to say that the opposing owners and their moms and the pope isn't lying?? So what.
The guy played a great game of stick. Period!


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