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blueliner94 02-02-2007 11:11 AM

I got this feeling...
 
That just like at the begining of the season we are going to be waiting and waiting and nothing is going to happen no trades nothing big, nothing to help us. Not sure if this is a good thing or a bad thing. On one hand it says hey we have faith in our young guys and are really going to grow them up. On the other its like they are blind and don't see that this current team can not take us into the playoffs.

Nich 02-02-2007 11:14 AM

good thing. rebuilding is better than tearing down

HockeyBasedNYC 02-02-2007 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Nich (Post 7887333)
good thing. rebuilding is better than tearing down

Is it tearing down or is it really tearing up? :cry:

Evgeny Oliker 02-02-2007 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by blueliner94 (Post 7887292)
That just like at the begining of the season we are going to be waiting and waiting and nothing is going to happen no trades nothing big, nothing to help us. Not sure if this is a good thing or a bad thing. On one hand it says hey we have faith in our young guys and are really going to grow them up. On the other its like they are blind and don't see that this current team can not take us into the playoffs.

It is DEFINITELY a good thing

I don't know if you heard the saying: "sometimes the best move is to make no moves at all"?

That saying is often true when you are a team that is rebuilding with youth. The Rangers are not going to with the Cup this year, I strongly doubt it. So if you trade the youth now for some 36 year old...it will hurt you next season.

The Rangers need to stick with the youth, as so far it is paying off. We made the playoffs last season, we will make the playoffs again this season and go further in the playoffs. Next season, we can consider actually going for the Cup!

HockeyBasedNYC 02-02-2007 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by 2forsbergaura1 (Post 7887383)
It is DEFINITELY a good thing

I don't know if you heard the saying: "sometimes the best move is to make no moves at all"?

That goes hand in hand with "if it aint broke dont fix it" - but this team is broken man.

Get Boyes. IM all for that and that alone.

Bluenote13 02-02-2007 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by HockeyBasedNYC (Post 7887416)
That goes hand in hand with "if it aint broke dont fix it" - but this team is broken man.

Get Boyes. IM all for that and that alone.

Who are you prepared to give up? Make a proposal.

HockeyBasedNYC 02-02-2007 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Bluenote13 (Post 7887426)
Who are you prepared to give up? Make a proposal.

Montoya and Immonen For Boyes and Rask.

Slats will probably deal Montoya anyway for some garbage. A least get some youth back with it.

blueliner94 02-02-2007 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by HockeyBasedNYC (Post 7887438)
Montoya and Immonen For Boyes and Rask.

Slats will probably deal Montoya anyway for some garbage. A least get some youth back with it.

Is Boyes any good in the center spot? Im not all to big on trading Montoya just yet. I think we could get alot more from him alone if we are patient enough. I would not mind seeing Dawes Immo

Melrose_Jr. 02-02-2007 11:32 AM

Guys, there's already several proposal threads going, including one dedicated to Boyes. I'm going to close this it becomes a duplicate of something else here.

HockeyBasedNYC 02-02-2007 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Melrose_Jr. (Post 7887541)
Guys, there's already several proposal threads going, including one dedicated to Boyes. I'm going to close this it becomes a duplicate of something else here.

Hey... he asked... he could have went and looked through the Boyes thread, its there. But your probably right.

HockeyBasedNYC 02-02-2007 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by blueliner94 (Post 7887522)
Is Boyes any good in the center spot? Im not all to big on trading Montoya just yet. I think we could get alot more from him alone if we are patient enough. I would not mind seeing Dawes Immo

Yes, check out the Boyes thread, we go into pretty good detail about him.

94now 02-02-2007 11:42 AM

There is a big distance between trading the youth for over-the-hill vets and not making any trades. The medium is what makes a good GM. Sater is obviously is not the one. Most of his trades in the past were bad. Thus, it is better not to make any and stick to signing people in off season in which he was sorta ok in 2005 summer. In 2006 summer he did poorly even in that area. So here we are where we are... Sather has to hire a good GM to relieve himself from the job he is no longer able to do well and keep being only a NYR President if Dolan apparently values him so much.

Choice 02-02-2007 11:44 AM

Standing pat and not making a move is probably the worst thing they could do. It's not as if they are playing in rebuiling in rebuilding mode by giving a lot of kids experience. Either go for it or trade for prospects. Right now they are in some kind of no mans land.

In The Flesh 02-02-2007 11:48 AM

If they make a move toward Boyes or Horton, if he's really out there to be traded for. Then I say yes to that. If they're going to trade our youth, and picks for veteren players, then no way. If you can get younger, do it. If not, don't. Theres no way that some vets are going to steer this team to the cup, we're not even playoff bound right now.

HockeyBasedNYC 02-02-2007 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by theMessiah1194 (Post 7887743)
If they make a move toward Boyes or Horton, if he's really out there to be traded for. Then I say yes to that. If they're going to trade our youth, and picks for veteren players, then no way. If you can get younger, do it. If not, don't. Theres no way that some vets are going to steer this team to the cup, we're not even playoff bound right now.

My sentiments exactly.

The only deal i would be happy with involving Forsberg or another vet center would be a mid-level prospect or two that we arent impressed with. But thats not happening!

Larry Melnyk 02-02-2007 12:05 PM

Got the opposite feeling....I think the Rangers will make a move for a "decent" 2nd C and it will come way before the deadline becasue points are becoming precious..And I don't see them making any deals for kids, although I wouldn't mind them

HockeyBasedNYC 02-02-2007 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Larry Melnyk (Post 7887972)
Got the opposite feeling....I think the Rangers will make a move for a "decent" 2nd C and it will come way before the deadline becasue points are becoming precious..And I don't see them making any deals for kids, although I wouldn't mind them

It will most likely be a decent guy because there arent too many exceptional ones out there and the cost will be too steep.


But youre right, the sooner the better for this team. Now that theyve "found" a 3rd line, you would think they need to fix that 2nd line as quickly as possible.

Larry Melnyk 02-02-2007 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by HockeyBasedNYC (Post 7888104)
It will most likely be a decent guy because there arent too many exceptional ones out there and the cost will be too steep.


But youre right, the sooner the better for this team. Now that theyve "found" a 3rd line, you would think they need to fix that 2nd line as quickly as possible.

Yep, we can't wait until the deadline and I'm thinking along the lines of Smolisnki, Stumpel (don't know what to think about Armstong)...

And any possible success of this team is being held hostage by the horrific 2nd line and BOTH Betts and Hossa playing there..

Aqiuire a 2nd C, call up Callahan and move down BOTH Betts and Hossa and you got a chance---up front..

Bluenote13 02-02-2007 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by HockeyBasedNYC (Post 7887438)
Montoya and Immonen For Boyes and Rask.

Slats will probably deal Montoya anyway for some garbage. A least get some youth back with it.

Yeah, I saw this in the other thread. Not gonna happen. Why should it, looks like both teams are trading similar parts.

blueliner94 02-02-2007 12:52 PM

So say we lose 3 out of the 4 games coming up and nothing has been done. Is it worth getting anything at that point kinda like to little to late?

94now 02-02-2007 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Larry Melnyk (Post 7887972)
Got the opposite feeling....I think the Rangers will make a move for a "decent" 2nd C and it will come way before the deadline becasue points are becoming precious..And I don't see them making any deals for kids, although I wouldn't mind them

Same here...

nyr__1994 02-02-2007 01:36 PM

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Not to oversimplify, but prospects are prospects because they're not yet good enough to play in the NHL. And the reality is, they may never be. Bobby Ryan and Drew Stafford may be the second coming of Cam Neely, but they could end up being busts like previous untouchables Alexei Smirnov and Barrett Heisten.
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/200...ade/index.html


Basically what he is saying is that a lot of 'top' prospects don't even make it to the NHL. Is Brandon Dubinsky guaranteed to be a 2nd line NHL center. No way. Does he have the potential? Yes he does.

I know this question has been asked before but here it is again: How much longer are you going to have two of the best goal scorers/players of all time on this team. You have this year and maybe next year with Jagr and Shanny. When you have a chance to add another player to that mix that is considered one of the best players in the world right now, I think you take that chance.

Prospects are assets, not every player that is drafted will don the red white and blue that is the Rangers sweater. Right now the brass is saying they have 6-8 players in Hartford that they beleive are NHL players. There is not that kind of room on our NHL roster, so some of these assets are going to have to be moved anyway. Why not make a push for Forsberg now?

Choice 02-02-2007 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Larry Melnyk (Post 7887972)
Got the opposite feeling....I think the Rangers will make a move for a "decent" 2nd C and it will come way before the deadline becasue points are becoming precious..And I don't see them making any deals for kids, although I wouldn't mind them

I really hope thats the case, because like I said in another thread, it's probably going to be too late by the trade deadline.

Tuxman 02-02-2007 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by nyr__1994 (Post 7889182)
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/200...ade/index.html


Basically what he is saying is that a lot of 'top' prospects don't even make it to the NHL. Is Brandon Dubinsky guaranteed to be a 2nd line NHL center. No way. Does he have the potential? Yes he does.

I know this question has been asked before but here it is again: How much longer are you going to have two of the best goal scorers/players of all time on this team. You have this year and maybe next year with Jagr and Shanny. When you have a chance to add another player to that mix that is considered one of the best players in the world right now, I think you take that chance.

Prospects are assets, not every player that is drafted will don the red white and blue that is the Rangers sweater. Right now the brass is saying they have 6-8 players in Hartford that they beleive are NHL players. There is not that kind of room on our NHL roster, so some of these assets are going to have to be moved anyway. Why not make a push for Forsberg now?

i agree

dave4 02-02-2007 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by nyr__1994 (Post 7889182)
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/200...ade/index.html


Basically what he is saying is that a lot of 'top' prospects don't even make it to the NHL. Is Brandon Dubinsky guaranteed to be a 2nd line NHL center. No way. Does he have the potential? Yes he does.

I know this question has been asked before but here it is again: How much longer are you going to have two of the best goal scorers/players of all time on this team. You have this year and maybe next year with Jagr and Shanny. When you have a chance to add another player to that mix that is considered one of the best players in the world right now, I think you take that chance.

Prospects are assets, not every player that is drafted will don the red white and blue that is the Rangers sweater. Right now the brass is saying they have 6-8 players in Hartford that they beleive are NHL players. There is not that kind of room on our NHL roster, so some of these assets are going to have to be moved anyway. Why not make a push for Forsberg now?

I'm not necessarily against making a move of some kind, but not for Forsberg. No way. Whether we give up something of value or not, the man is a season-ending injury waiting to happen.

If he was healthy the Flyers would be signing him to an extension. The fact that they're willing to trade him tells you all you need to know about his foot.

It's OK to trade for a veteran for the right price. But a healthy veteran please.


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