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Annihilator 02-09-2007 11:38 AM

Is Carbo Losing the Team
 
I only say this cause i see the Saku really not playing that well....and with his Roomate Rivet being benched maybe Saku has lost fate in Carbo and it has trickled to the other players....and add to the fact the whole Sammy affair and the lack of goals and the constant Line juggling...This all smells pretty bad ....I'm not saying that this is fact...but it is fuel for thought

Personally this team was a 6-7-8 place team starting this year and we played over our heads for the first half ...and although everyone had high hopes ...this is still and 6-7-8 seed."if you are realistic"..lets just hope the team can get together and get that seed and put a few wins together.

Pascal 02-09-2007 11:40 AM

I'm pretty sure the team is still in Montreal somewhere.

ROCKZO 02-09-2007 11:41 AM

I think tht looking at these guys play ... I'm afraid to say so ... but I think he has lambasted them into Numbness ...

Habs4Lyfe 02-09-2007 11:45 AM

got this from another board..it was posted at around 11:20 this morning...

"Listening to the Team990 right now, and according to them, the dressing room is divided. Remember how united everyone was when we were winning? Everyone was doing everything together. Now apparently the Russians have a clique and go off and do their own thing on the road, and I'm not sure, but there may be some others. They're suggesting that Carbo has lost the dressing room... "

waffledave 02-09-2007 11:45 AM

Carbo lost this team when Higgins was injured and he promoted Latendresse to the 1st line when the 2nd line needed a shakeup.

Sean Ruck 02-09-2007 11:45 AM

When Sheldon Souray says the team isnt giving all theyve got, and they only play moderately better for a few games, then fall back, I think you have to say yes, he is.

At the same time, I do not think this team cannot be redeemed. If they can go out at the deadline and pick up some good vets who can be a presence in the locker room, and a factor on the ice, the team will get back in line.

waffledave 02-09-2007 11:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Habs4Lyfe (Post 7984921)
got this from another board..it was posted at around 11:20 this morning...

"Listening to the Team990 right now, and according to them, the dressing room is divided. Remember how united everyone was when we were winning? Everyone was doing everything together. Now apparently the Russians have a clique and go off and do their own thing on the road, and I'm not sure, but there may be some others. They're suggesting that Carbo has lost the dressing room... "

Not surprising. Carbo has treated Perezhogin and Samsonov like garbage.

I wonder if Markov will even want to re-sign here anymore.

habfan4 02-09-2007 11:49 AM

A minor point, but both Rivet and Koivu are veterans and no longer have room mates when on the road. All this talk about Carbonneau's benching Rivet affecting Koivu's game is idol speculation, they are professionals after all (ditto this report of a locker room divided).

Habsfan18 02-09-2007 11:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Habs4Lyfe (Post 7984921)
got this from another board..it was posted at around 11:20 this morning...

"Listening to the Team990 right now, and according to them, the dressing room is divided. Remember how united everyone was when we were winning? Everyone was doing everything together. Now apparently the Russians have a clique and go off and do their own thing on the road, and I'm not sure, but there may be some others. They're suggesting that Carbo has lost the dressing room... "

:cry: I hope this isn't true.

We don't need this crap..

brownman* 02-09-2007 11:49 AM

Between Gainey, Carbo, Muller and Jarvis there is too much knowledge for the game and its players to let the dressing room slip away completely. This is a long rough patch but, God willing, when the Habs pull the trigger on a deal it will shake things up and reinvigorate the room.

One thing they can't do is trade Rivet; the team would completely implode should he be moved by the deadline.

flappuck 02-09-2007 11:50 AM

Funny how coaches have been losing the team every year for the last decade...

It's time for players to start working... What's so difficult about skating and driving the net???

Look at our 5 on 3 last night. Nobody's moving and nobody's in front of the net...
At the other end, you have guys like Fischer, Scheaffer and Neil in front of the net at all times and 3 forwards skating deep in the zone at all times.
You don't need a freaking coach to do that, you just do it.

Stop blaming the coaches all the time... Players are paid to play and they don't...

Habsfan18 02-09-2007 11:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by brownman (Post 7984990)
Between Gainey, Carbo, Muller and Jarvis there is too much knowledge for the game and its players to let the dressing room slip away completely. This is a long rough patch but, God willing, when the Habs pull the trigger on a deal it will shake things up and reinvigorate the room.

One thing they can't do is trade Rivet; the team would completely implode should he be moved by the deadline.

Umm, why can't they trade Rivet? Is he really all that important to our club? The guy has so many god damn brain cramps it's not even funny. And don't get me started on his little weak girly shot that always hits the opposing teams players on the pp.

Why should we keep him? Just because he's Koivu's buddy? Give me a break...

waffledave 02-09-2007 11:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Habsfan18 (Post 7985020)
Umm, why can't they trade Rivet? Is he really all that important to our club? The guy has so many god damn brain cramps it's not even funny. And don't get me started on his little weak girly shot that always hits the opposing teams players on the pp.

Why should we keep him? Just because he's Koivu's buddy? Give me a break...

Without Rivet this team will lose the rest of it's confidence. Rivet and Souray are the guys praising the young kids when they do a good job.

The young guys don't care what the coach thinks. They care what Rivet and Souray think.

habfan4 02-09-2007 11:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by waffledave (Post 7984944)
Not surprising. Carbo has treated Perezhogin and Samsonov like garbage.

I wonder if Markov will even want to re-sign here anymore.

Specious reasoning there dave. Why not extrapolate even further and opine on how the situation will impact on Emelin's decision on whether or not to come over.

Mojoe 02-09-2007 11:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Habsfan18 (Post 7985020)
Umm, why can't they trade Rivet? Is he really all that important to our club? The guy has so many god damn brain cramps it's not even funny. And don't get me started on his little weak girly shot that always hits the opposing teams players on the pp.

Why should we keep him? Just because he's Koivu's buddy? Give me a break...

If that's the problem then trade both of them.... It seems to me that the only time Koivu's leadership is in full effect it's when he's hurt or ill...:dunno:

Lord Horse 02-09-2007 11:54 AM

That's pretty doom-and-gloom for a team that just needs to pick up 2-3 wins to get going again. I don't trust Team 990 for much of anything, but if there is a Russian clique...

Gainey will send them packing too :bow:

(I hope!)

knuckles3030 02-09-2007 11:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tout ptit (Post 7984999)
Funny how coaches have been losing the team every year for the last decade...

It's time for players to start working... What's so difficult about skating and driving the net???

Look at our 5 on 3 last night. Nobody's moving and nobody's in front of the net...
At the other end, you have guys like Fischer, Scheaffer and Neil in front of the net at all times and 3 forwards skating deep in the zone at all times.
You don't need a freaking coach to do that, you just do it.

Stop blaming the coaches all the time... Players are paid to play and they don't...

Look at the list of players over the last 10 years... It's even funnier that all kinds of different players don't give enough effort for the past decade. We must be getting all the wrong players for the last 10 years then. Oh, but usually they don't do well when they get traded elsewhere...:sarcasm:

Who would look good standing around and trapping? Certainly not offensive players. It's all about style of play and confidence. Every offensive player that goes to the Habs will likely see their point production drop by 20-30 points. If they don't at first, they certainly will after a year.

There's a reason players don't give effort night after night, even in the face of criticism...

simz78 02-09-2007 11:59 AM

Do you mean losing the team like Julien, Therrien and Vigneault before him?? (i could add Tremblay).

This team problem is the players, they're built on the same model since the last cup win, "speed". They need more grit, more heart, more dedication. It's the same story for years, in fact since Koivu is the leader of this team. Now look at what these ex-coaches are doing elsewhere, and that should be enough proofs to tell that the problem is not the coach, again. Carbo made some mistakes but as he said, he can't go on the ice and play, the players are responsible.

This was my first post btw, but i've been reading here for a while now. Hello everyone...

waffledave 02-09-2007 12:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by habfan4 (Post 7985046)
Specious reasoning there dave. Why not extrapolate even further and opine on how the situation will impact on Emelin's decision on whether or not to come over.

It might have been a stretch, but Russians stick together and you never know if Markov is upset for how Samsonov and Perezhogin are treated.

I personally think he will re-sign, however.

cjbhab 02-09-2007 12:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bwoar (Post 7985064)
That's pretty doom-and-gloom for a team that just needs to pick up 2-3 wins to get going again. I don't trust Team 990 for much of anything, but if there is a Russian clique...

Gainey will send them packing too :bow:

(I hope!)

It's not that easy to just send everyone packing.

cjbhab 02-09-2007 12:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pascal (Post 7984871)
I'm pretty sure the team is still in Montreal somewhere.

:D

knuckles3030 02-09-2007 12:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by habfan4 (Post 7985046)
Specious reasoning there dave. Why not extrapolate even further and opine on how the situation will impact on Emelin's decision on whether or not to come over.

He's not the only mentioning that Carbo doesn't like russian-type players. Someone else mentioned this in another thread as well. I could see the russians forming a clique when they see the coach clearly favoring local boys. I'm not saying they're doing the right thing, but they're not the only ones at fault.

Besides, if you were with a group of Japanese playersin Japan, wouldn't it be normal for you to hang out more with the 3 or 4 Canadians on your team?

waffledave 02-09-2007 12:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by simz78 (Post 7985120)
Do you mean losing the team like Julien, Therrien and Vigneault before him?? (i could add Tremblay).

This team problem is the players, they're built on the same model since the last cup win, "speed". They need more grit, more heart, more dedication. It's the same story for years, in fact since Koivu is the leader of this team. Now look at what these ex-coaches are doing elsewhere, and that should be enough proofs to tell that the problem is not the coach, again. Carbo made some mistakes but as he said, he can't go on the ice and play, the players are responsible.

This was my first post btw, but i've been reading here for a while now. Hello everyone...

Julien, Therrien and Vigneault got their feet wet in Montreal. You learn from mistakes, which is why they are better coaches now.

Beatnik 02-09-2007 12:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by waffledave (Post 7984928)
Carbo lost this team when Higgins was injured and he promoted Latendresse to the 1st line when the 2nd line needed a shakeup.

This make no sense at all. Time proved Carbo right.

Only a retard would be mad at him for that, specially that the players know how hard Lats work.

Anyway, I can't imagine someone like Saku playing intentionally bad, he's a proud competitor.

flappuck 02-09-2007 12:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by knuckles3030 (Post 7985119)
Look at the list of players over the last 10 years... It's even funnier that all kinds of different players don't give enough effort for the past decade. We must be getting all the wrong players for the last 10 years then. Oh, but usually they don't do well when they get traded elsewhere...:sarcasm:

Who would look good standing around and trapping? Certainly not offensive players. It's all about style of play and confidence. Every offensive player that goes to the Habs will likely see their point production drop by 20-30 points. If they don't at first, they certainly will after a year.

There's a reason players don't give effort night after night, even in the face of criticism...

Which players have we lost or traded in the last 5-6 seasons have been rocking it somewhere else?


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