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417 12-17-2003 05:23 AM

Philly-Montreal idea....
 
I know this isin't the trade proposal board but I thought i'd run this by you guys first....just an idea but with Comrie going to Philly, they now have , Roenick, Comrie, Primeau and Handzus...Comrie and Roenick will handle line #1&2, and Primeau is the checking center and that leaves Handzus on the fourth line, i'm not sure of what his salary is but it's probably expensive for your 4th line center, and Michal Handzus is not your ideal 4th line center, could he be available?

MTL:Michal Handzus

PHI:Yannick Perreault + picks?

At first glance this seems like a lopsided trade in favour of Montreal, but if you look at it from Philly's standpoint it makes a whole lot of sense...The Flyers i'm sure wouldn't mind having a faceoff specialist on their 4th line and a player who can chip in offensively and on the PP while getting minimal 5 on 5 time...Yannick Perreault, I understand is not a Bob Clarke type of player, however, come around playoff time he could be quite useful on a team like Philly, faceoffs are a key element to success in the playoffs, as I said earlier i'm not sure what Handzus salary is but Philly is a team that is stacked right now, but sometimes having a stacked team doesn't guarantee you success, if you have players on your 3rd and 4th lines who feel they should be getting 1st or 2nd line time it causes problems within the team, the Flyers are a deep team and I doubt Handzus will enjoy being relegated to the 4th line...

Michal Handzus would be a great fit for the Habs and again, i'm not sure if Perreault and picks would be enough, maybe add Hainsey?He would add much needed size and is an effective shutdown center.

Thoughts

I don't make much trade proposals so if i'm way off, I apologize

Team_Spirit 12-17-2003 05:26 AM

I don't see why Perrault is better suited for the 4th line than Handzus is . And actually i think Handzus is the 3rd center and Primeau the 4th one . AS for adding Hainsey i don't think they need another D prospect with Vandermmer , Pitkanen and Seidenberg already in .

To be honest i don't see any deal happen between the 2 teams .

Darz 12-17-2003 05:33 AM

I wouldn't be surprised to see Philly make another trade, in where they move a forward (probablely a centre, they could move a winger and move a centre to the wing mind you. Primeau has played left wing in his career) to add a defenseman to the mix. I wouldn't be surprised if Clarke was interested in Brisebois (too bad he's hurt) or Rivet (I remember alot of rumors last year that Clarke was interested in acquiring Rivet...could of been b.s., but I remember hearing them).

417 12-17-2003 05:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Jozeph_Balej
I don't see why Perrault is better suited for the 4th line than Handzus is . And actually i think Handzus is the 3rd center and Primeau the 4th one . AS for adding Hainsey i don't think they need another D prospect with Vandermmer , Pitkanen and Seidenberg already in .

To be honest i don't see any deal happen between the 2 teams .

I'm just saying Perreault could be a better fit, due to his faceoff ability, and Handzus is not the 3rd line center, Primeau is, and they are both shutdown centers so one has to go, I know Handzus is by far a better player then Perreault, but Perreault could be a better fit, that's all.

And Vandermeer and Seidenberg are not really top notch d-man prospects, and with Bob Clarke having lost one of his prospects on defense (Jeff Woywitka) He might be looking to replace him with another yong prospect?

it was just an idea...

mcphee 12-17-2003 05:42 AM

Apparently they have a big center available with good hands, local kid too, named Chouinard or something. Anybody know anything about this kid ?

Team_Spirit 12-17-2003 05:47 AM

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Originally Posted by 417 TO MTL
I'm just saying Perreault could be a better fit, due to his faceoff ability, and Handzus is not the 3rd line center, Primeau is, and they are both shutdown centers so one has to go, I know Handzus is by far a better player then Perreault, but Perreault could be a better fit, that's all.

And Vandermeer and Seidenberg are not really top notch d-man prospects, and with Bob Clarke having lost one of his prospects on defense (Jeff Woywitka) He might be looking to replace him with another yong prospect?

it was just an idea...

I know it's just an idea but i really don't see why the Flyers would give up a good 'young' guy like Handzus for Perrault . As you said Handzus is a ''shutdown'' center ... but he scored 20goals last year he he establisehd himself as a regular 40pts producer . I doubt the Flyers move him .

I like trade speculation but i really doubt this one would work .

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Apparently they have a big center available with good hands, local kid too, named Chouinard or something. Anybody know anything about this kid ?
Yeah could be interesting , Gratton - Higgins - Plekanec - Svitov ... Chouinard could chip in if someone is injuried .

Mike8 12-17-2003 07:05 AM

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Originally Posted by 417 TO MTL
I know this isin't the trade proposal board but I thought i'd run this by you guys first....just an idea but with Comrie going to Philly, they now have , Roenick, Comrie, Primeau and Handzus...Comrie and Roenick will handle line #1&2, and Primeau is the checking center and that leaves Handzus on the fourth line, i'm not sure of what his salary is but it's probably expensive for your 4th line center, and Michal Handzus is not your ideal 4th line center, could he be available?

I'd agree that Handzus is exactly what Montreal needs, but he's not a player Philly's looking to deal I'd imagine. Hitchcock uses Handzus in many different situations, and it's never a bad thing to have two quality shut down centers.

As it stands, Primeau's a UFA at season's end. It's my guess that Philly lets him walk, and uses Handzus as the third line center then. Until then, Philly has by far the best center depth in the league.

Before the Comrie trade, Philly had the following playing center: Roenick-Primeau-Recchi-Handzus. So even before the Comrie deal, Handzus was the fourth line center. And that didn't affect the amount of ice time he received. Philly rolls four lines, then in the third period they moved Handzus up a few lines if they're holding on to a lead, and if they're playing catchup hockey then they moved him up to the third line as well. I'd imagine they'll stick with doing this even with Comrie on board.

Lastly, Perreault wouldn't be of *any* interest at all to Philly IMO. They're building a team where everyone hits and can hit hard, good skaters, solid defensively, and team guys. Players you want to go to war with. This is everything Perreault's not. While Perreault's faceoff ability is intriguing for playoff teams, the fact that he doesn't adequately tie up the opposing center off the draw in his own end detracts all his abilities IMO.

Teezax 12-17-2003 07:08 AM

With the surplus of Centers in Philly namely with Carter and Richards (Both on the canadian junior roster) why would we move Handzus (established two way center) for another Center who's been a scratch in several games this year?

Mike8 12-17-2003 07:09 AM

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Originally Posted by 417 TO MTL
And Vandermeer and Seidenberg are not really top notch d-man prospects, and with Bob Clarke having lost one of his prospects on defense (Jeff Woywitka) He might be looking to replace him with another yong prospect?

it was just an idea...

Philly still has a lot of quality defensive prospects. Keep in mind that Johnsson is still young and is an excellent defenseman, while Pitkanen will be a top 5 defenseman in the league in under 3 years IMO. He's phenominal. Johnsson is a quality #2-3 defenseman. Seidenberg can develop into a solid second pairing guy, Vandermeer I can see develop into a #4-5.

The quality is there in Philly, they may need to replace Weinrich or Desjardins in a few years, but finding those solid-yet-unspectacular defensemen aren't too difficult or expensive.

Dr Love 12-17-2003 07:13 AM

Flyers just aquired a small, defensive liability center. Zero need for Perrault, especially at the price of Handzus, who Lowe originally wanted for Comrie.

gunnerdom 12-17-2003 07:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Jozeph_Balej
Yeah could be interesting , Gratton - Higgins - Plekanec - Svitov ... Chouinard could chip in if someone is injuried .


Svitov is playing with Tampa.

Dr Love 12-17-2003 07:43 AM

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Originally Posted by ejaculine
Svitov is playing with Tampa.

And Chouinard was traded to Philly last year.

mcphee 12-17-2003 07:50 AM

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Originally Posted by mcphee
Apparently they have a big center available with good hands, local kid too, named Chouinard or something. Anybody know anything about this kid ?

I was kinda trying to be ironic, maybe not trying hard enough.

Team_Spirit 12-17-2003 07:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Dr Love
And Chouinard was traded to Philly last year.

i know that's why i said we don't need him back when mcphee talked about him .

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Svitov is playing with Tampa.
Svitov was sent down in Hamilton so he play with Plekanec , Gratton and Higgins .

Mats NAslund 12-17-2003 09:15 AM

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Originally Posted by mcphee
Apparently they have a big center available with good hands, local kid too, named Chouinard or something. Anybody know anything about this kid ?


He's crap who the hell wants him?

mcphee 12-17-2003 09:58 AM

Again, irony.

tinyzombies 12-17-2003 10:06 AM

Handzus is a wimp with a mediocre skillset, there is no way Gainey is going to sign a player like that. I think he learned his lesson when he signed Audette in Dallas (assuming that was his decision).

I could see the Flyers moving Primeau to left wing (where he belongs) and using Handzus as the third line checking center as well.

My Flyer friends say that Handzus could be headed to Tampa for Khabibulin as well.

Stephan Lebeau 12-17-2003 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by raketheleaves
My Flyer friends say that Handzus could be headed to Tampa for Khabibulin as well.

With Hackett and Esche playing as well as they are, that sounds just a tad ludicrous.

hockey_nut 12-17-2003 10:19 AM

i'd love to get handzus


ribeiro-handzus-zednik... ohh baby

Teezax 12-17-2003 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by raketheleaves
My Flyer friends say that Handzus could be headed to Tampa for Khabibulin as well.

i'd do it, but Hackett has a NO Trade Clause and they are very high on Esche, so unless Hackett waives that NTC, it ain't happening

All-Star 12-17-2003 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Mats NAslund
He's crap who the hell wants him?

Minnesota obviously ;)

Malefic74 12-17-2003 12:15 PM

The Flyers have their face-off guy, and that's Primeau. Big Keith absolutely killed the Leafs in their series and did it again to the Sens in the next one. Their need for Perreault is zero. All they need to shore up for a playoff run is a few depth guys (maybe Lapointe is back in time) and that is it. Minnesota proved that two-headed goaltending can work and I suspect Clarke will give it a shot unless a real blue-chipper is available for cheap.

habsfansam 12-17-2003 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by All-Star
Minnesota obviously ;)

AMEN! Good luck to him in Minny... hopefully lemaire can make something of him.

KOMO_ROCKS 12-17-2003 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Mats NAslund
He's crap who the hell wants him?

Apparently the Wild :eek:

Team_Spirit 12-17-2003 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by KOMO_ROCKS
Apparently the Wild :eek:

I trough thwy liked player with a good work ethic :eek:

He was traded for a 5th round pick


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