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Guy Caballero 12-18-2003 06:34 PM

Saku on the point
 
I can't believe it took Julien 30 games to figure out that we should be playing 4 forwards on the PP and Koivu on the point.

Oh well, better late than never! :handclap:

The PP was moving the puck beautifully tonight, and Saku's puck control at the blueline was a big reason. Much better than numbnuts Rivet letting it bounce over his stick and into the neutral zone.

BLONG7 12-18-2003 06:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Guy Caballero
I can't believe it took Julien 30 games to figure out that we should be playing 4 forwards on the PP and Koivu on the point.

Oh well, better late than never! :handclap:

The PP was moving the puck beautifully tonight, and Saku's puck control at the blueline was a big reason. Much better than numbnuts Rivet letting it bounce over his stick and into the neutral zone.

Bang on!!! BTW Ribs is a PP Specialist, when he has the time he is an excellent playmaker!

snatchmasterflex 12-18-2003 06:40 PM

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Originally Posted by BLONG7
Bang on!!! BTW Ribs is a PP Specialist, when he has the time he is an excellent playmaker!

if our power play gets hot were gonna cause some commotions, awsome move by julian, awsome pp awsome game :)

CrAzYNiNe 12-18-2003 06:40 PM

Having 2 great Playmakers in Koivu and Ribs, 2 big shooters in Souray and Zednik and Ryder who can dig the corners, it's the perfect combo.

Tuggy 12-18-2003 06:41 PM

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Originally Posted by BLONG7
Bang on!!! BTW Ribs is a PP Specialist, when he has the time he is an excellent playmaker!

Exactly...it all works out perfect...Ribs behind the net with his passing, Zednik in the slot with his shot, Koivu at the point with his puck control, Souray at the other point with his rocket and Ryder/Dagenais filling in the other spots like in front of the net/corners.

snatchmasterflex 12-18-2003 06:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Tuggy
Exactly...it all works out perfect...Ribs behind the net with his passing, Zednik in the slot with his shot, Koivu at the point with his puck control, Souray at the other point with his rocket and Ryder/Dagenais filling in the other spots like in front of the net/corners.

you hit it right on whatch for ryder to cause havock,and screan in front of there net, its gonna be a beautiful thing. i just hope theo gets well fast.

Guy Caballero 12-18-2003 07:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Tuggy
Exactly...it all works out perfect...Ribs behind the net with his passing, Zednik in the slot with his shot, Koivu at the point with his puck control, Souray at the other point with his rocket and Ryder/Dagenais filling in the other spots like in front of the net/corners.

I love it. If only we had one more guy. That one big guy standing in front of the net, absorbing punishment while staying on his feet and banging in rebounds. We need this guy so bad it hurts.

Dagenais? No. He's too poor a skater and too one-dimensional.

Kilger?
:lol:

Ward? No. Hands of stone at the NHL level. His shot release is AHL-speed, not NHL-speed.

Conclusion: we need to go out and get this guy. I don't know who it is or what we can deal to get him, but this seems to be our most pressing need. Perhaps we could pry Arnott away from Dallas, but I don't think they'll be letting him go anytime soon.

HCH 12-18-2003 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Guy Caballero
I love it. If only we had one more guy. That one big guy standing in front of the net, absorbing punishment while staying on his feet and banging in rebounds. We need this guy so bad it hurts.

Dagenais? No. He's too poor a skater and too one-dimensional.

Guy, if you want someone big STANDING in front of the net, with a big reach, a quick release and absorbing punishment, how well does he have to skate?

And Dagenais' one dimension is shooting. Not a bad skill for someone on the power play.

Besides, he has 6 points in 10 games. That works out to about 50 in a full year which would put him near the top of the charts in Habland.

I say give him a few more chances.

Howie Morenz 12-18-2003 07:08 PM

Why not? They tried Juneau there. :joker: Great move by CJ. :handclap:

Guy Caballero 12-18-2003 07:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Barney Rubble
Guy, if you want someone big STANDING in front of the net, with a big reach, a quick release and absorbing punishment, how well does he have to skate?

And Dagenais' one dimension is shooting. Not a bad skill for someone on the power play.

Besides, he has 6 points in 10 games. That works out to about 50 in a full year which would put him near the top of the charts in Habland.

I say give him a few more chances.

I think over the long haul Dagenais will be too much of a liability. I want a guy who'll stand in front on the PP, yes, but that's not all I want him to do. I want him to hit and play good defence as well. In short, I guess I want a PF. I have all year. Imagine this Hab lineup with a Guerin or a Bertuzzi. We'd be near or at the top of the standings. Those are probably the two best PFs in the league, mind you, but even a lesser one would help a lot. That's why I thought Arnott might be nice.

habsfansam 12-18-2003 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Guy Caballero
I love it. If only we had one more guy. That one big guy standing in front of the net, absorbing punishment while staying on his feet and banging in rebounds. We need this guy so bad it hurts.

Dagenais? No. He's too poor a skater and too one-dimensional.

Kilger?
:lol:

Ward? No. Hands of stone at the NHL level. His shot release is AHL-speed, not NHL-speed.

Conclusion: we need to go out and get this guy. I don't know who it is or what we can deal to get him, but this seems to be our most pressing need. Perhaps we could pry Arnott away from Dallas, but I don't think they'll be letting him go anytime soon.

Nah... we really don't need to go out and get one, stick Dags in or Ryder or Ward or Kilger... all of those guys have the ability to shoot well but they play a different game, defense and energy. Maybe CJ should use that last crash-n-bang position on the PP to reward his 3rd/4th line guys much like Lemaire does in Minny... thoughts??

Habber 12-18-2003 07:16 PM

If we want to get someone to wreak havoc in the crease we have to get someone brave (dumb) enough to stand in there while Souray shoots!

goalchenyuk 12-18-2003 07:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Guy Caballero
I think over the long haul Dagenais will be too much of a liability. I want a guy who'll stand in front on the PP, yes, but that's not all I want him to do. I want him to hit and play good defence as well. In short, I guess I want a PF. I have all year. Imagine this Hab lineup with a Guerin or a Bertuzzi. We'd be near or at the top of the standings. Those are probably the two best PFs in the league, mind you, but even a lesser one would help a lot. That's why I thought Arnott might be nice.

i want to be a millionaire and i want the wife of Souray every monday , the tuesday , i would prefer kournikova and ...

Guy Caballero 12-18-2003 07:31 PM

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Originally Posted by mark0v
i want to be a millionaire and i want the wife of Souray every monday , the tuesday , i would prefer kournikova and ...

I don't think asking for one superstar winger is asking a lot. We haven't had a single one since Naslund, for God's sake. Why are other teams entitled to theirs, but Hab fans now think it's a pipe dream that we'll ever get one ourselves? Salary dumps and veteran-for-prospect deals happen every year. If we're in a position where it looks like we could make some noise in the playoffs, I say we go shopping.

Tuggy 12-18-2003 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Guy Caballero
I don't think asking for one superstar winger is asking a lot. We haven't had a single one since Naslund, for God's sake. Why are other teams entitled to theirs, but Hab fans now think it's a pipe dream that we'll ever get one ourselves? Salary dumps and veteran-for-prospect deals happen every year. If we're in a position where it looks like we could make some noise in the playoffs, I say we go shopping.

If we are in position to make the playoffs I think that Gainey will be a buyer.

As mentioned already Arnott would be a great choice but the only problem with him doesn't he play center?

Guy Caballero 12-18-2003 08:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Tuggy
If we are in position to make the playoffs I think that Gainey will be a buyer.

As mentioned already Arnott would be a great choice but the only problem with him doesn't he play center?

Yeah, but he can play wing.

What do you think the chances are of getting Daze if Chicago completely tanks this year? There's a guy who would rock on line 2.

Natural Habs Fan 12-18-2003 08:07 PM

Daze is too injury prone.

deandebean 12-18-2003 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by habsfansam
Nah... we really don't need to go out and get one, stick Dags in or Ryder or Ward or Kilger... all of those guys have the ability to shoot well but they play a different game, defense and energy. Maybe CJ should use that last crash-n-bang position on the PP to reward his 3rd/4th line guys much like Lemaire does in Minny... thoughts??

I agree about Dagenais. He's got solid, fast hands. The problem with him is he goes to sleep often and has to be woken up by the coach. Was that way with his junior team also. But you never know. They have chemistry together, which can be a big intangible in hockey.

As for Kilger, I hope you're joking, right? This guy will do the job for about 4-5 games in a 82 games season. He's passť. Get rid of his fat arse. We'd be better off with a AHLer on the 4th line than him. He's a waste of space.

Tuggy 12-18-2003 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Guy Caballero
Yeah, but he can play wing.

What do you think the chances are of getting Daze if Chicago completely tanks this year? There's a guy who would rock on line 2.

Daze would be great but I am thinkin his career may be over soon though. He is having a same back problem bothering him year after year and he had surgury on it this year.

Maybe Morrow if Dallas continues to struggle. I would rather have Morrow then Arnott I think.

habsfansam 12-18-2003 08:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Tuggy
If we are in position to make the playoffs I think that Gainey will be a buyer.

As mentioned already Arnott would be a great choice but the only problem with him doesn't he play center?

I have to disagree... Gainey will be a buyer (for the type of guy that people seem to want... ie a big scoring winger) only if the CBA is straightened out by then. If not, there is no need to mortgage the future of the franchise (or even trade away one of our assets like a Hainsey, Hossa, Komi, Perez... etc) to make a run at what... the 2nd round?? There are far too many teams that are heavyweights in the East (Ottawa, Philly, NJ, and Toronto if they can maintain their game) for Gainey to be a big buyer thinking that we can compete all the way to the top. if the habs have to run that gauntlet, we'd get crushed by whatever western conference team shows up... we're just not big enough or skilled enough YET.

I can see him picking up some guy that won't impress you initially, as a depth building measure... then we've got another large, responsible body to ice against the monsters of the east.

Actually i wouldn't be surprised to see the habs stand pat to maintain some of our depth so that we can be rested and competitive at the seasons end.

It's all hocus-pocus now anyways. We'll be in the hunt and that's good enough for me this year... no need to get too revved up over recent success. In another two years, i think we'll make a lot of noise and be very scary to play in the playoffs... then maybe stanley darlin' will come home?

Guy Caballero 12-18-2003 08:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Tuggy
Daze would be great but I am thinkin his career may be over soon though. He is having a same back problem bothering him year after year and he had surgury on it this year.

Maybe Morrow if Dallas continues to struggle. I would rather have Morrow then Arnott I think.

There's no way they'd get rid of Morrow. He's going to be awesome.

habsfansam 12-18-2003 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by deandebean
I agree about Dagenais. He's got solid, fast hands. The problem with him is he goes to sleep often and has to be woken up by the coach. Was that way with his junior team also. But you never know. They have chemistry together, which can be a big intangible in hockey.

As for Kilger, I hope you're joking, right? This guy will do the job for about 4-5 games in a 82 games season. He's passť. Get rid of his fat arse. We'd be better off with a AHLer on the 4th line than him. He's a waste of space.

Nope... Marc Bureau once said (and i agree), that the habs consistently get rid of guys who will grind, guys who will muck, guys who will put effort on the ice; we get rid of these guys because they don't score much, and then we get creamed by a team that wants it more. Think back 2 years and recall what Asham and Kilger and Lindsay were like in the playoffs against Boston... they hit everything, skated hard, roughed it up... if i recall kilger was playing with a face injury and he was throwing huge hits and finishing his checks with authority. Would we have beaten boston without them?? NO!!

Gotta have em' to win when it counts.

You may be right about Dags... but i think that applies to most goalscorers who tend to be streaky.

Guy Caballero 12-18-2003 08:34 PM

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Originally Posted by habsfansam
Nope... Marc Bureau once said (and i agree), that the habs consistently get rid of guys who will grind, guys who will muck, guys who will put effort on the ice; we get rid of these guys because they don't score much, and then we get creamed by a team that wants it more.

I'm not sure whether or not you're implying that Kilger is a mucker/grinder, but he sure as hell isn't. He's a huge guy with good speed, yet he plays the puck instead of smashing his opponent into the boards on about 90% of his plays. Either that, or he throws a half-assed shoulder bump.

Kilger is no grinder, and he's no scorer. He's nothing. He needs a trip to the AHL as soon as any guy on this team. If no one picks him up off waivers, nothing would do him better than to have Jarvis lean on his ass for a dozen games or so, making him earn his icetime in Hamilton. Then we'll see how badly this guy wants to play in the NHL.

Team_Spirit 12-18-2003 08:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Guy Caballero
I can't believe it took Julien 30 games to figure out that we should be playing 4 forwards on the PP and Koivu on the point.

It took 29games ... Juneau :mad: was on the point against the B's.

Team_Spirit 12-18-2003 08:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Guy Caballero
I'm not sure whether or not you're implying that Kilger is a mucker/grinder, but he sure as hell isn't. He's a huge guy with good speed, yet he plays the puck instead of smashing his opponent into the boards on about 90% of his plays. Either that, or he throws a half-assed shoulder bump.

Kilger is no grinder, and he's no scorer. He's nothing. He needs a trip to the AHL as soon as any guy on this team. If no one picks him up off waivers, nothing would do him better than to have Jarvis lean on his ass for a dozen games or so, making him earn his icetime in Hamilton. Then we'll see how badly this guy wants to play in the NHL.

I Guy! said Shurg is visible for 1 shift , after that he does nothing and he's almost invisible . Ward will take his spot i think .


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