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Black Ozz 12-22-2003 04:21 AM

2004 Montreal Free agents
 
MONTREAL
Andreas Dackell, (III)
Joe Juneau, (III)
Darren Langdon, (III)
Yannick Perrault, (III)
Stephane Quintal, (III)

Steve Begin, (II)
Sylvain Blouin, (II)
Pierre Dagenais, (II)
Jean-Francois Damphousse, (II)
Gordie Dwyer, (II)
Eric Fichaud, (II)
Mathieu Garon, (II)
Marcel Hossa, (II)
Martti Jarventie, (II)
Mike Ribeiro, (II)
Michael Ryder, (II)
Sheldon Souray, (II)
Niklas Sundstrom, (II)
Patrick Traverse, (II)
Richard Zednik, (II)

Who do we keep who do we let go???????

Habber 12-22-2003 04:44 AM

Gone:
Dackell
Juneau
Quintal
Perrault

Resign:
Langdon

Marc the Habs Fan 12-22-2003 04:45 AM

Good riddance to all those UFA's (except Langdon who I would look to keep) and non-tender Traverse, Blouin and Dwyer. Sundstrom is also a potential non-tender since he would make close to 2 million and that's alot for what he brings IMO.

All-Star 12-22-2003 05:35 AM

Andreas Dackell, (III) resign
Joe Juneau, (III) dump
Darren Langdon, (III) resign
Yannick Perrault, (III) dump
Stephane Quintal, (III) dump

Steve Begin, (II) resign
Sylvain Blouin, (II) dump
Pierre Dagenais, (II) resign
Jean-Francois Damphousse, (II) dump
Gordie Dwyer, (II) dump
Eric Fichaud, (II) resign
Mathieu Garon, (II) resign
Marcel Hossa, (II) resign
Martti Jarventie, (II) resign
Mike Ribeiro, (II) resign
Michael Ryder, (II) resign
Sheldon Souray, (II) resign
Niklas Sundstrom, (II) resign
Patrick Traverse, (II) dump
Richard Zednik, (II) resign

Donald Audette, buy-out

I resigned Dackell for a year to add depth to the third line. A Sundstrom Begin Dackell line can shut down any line in the league. I want to see rookies get broken in on the 2nd and 4th lines.

So long as the 4th line is used as a second checking line, and the 2nd as a second scoring line, the rookies can learn the different aspects of the NHL without feeling as much pressure.

Next year will be a difficult year for the team, and for the fans. There will be alot of rookies on the team, but if we have semi-stable 1st and 3rd lines, the team probably won't tank as bad as it could with inexperienced players on every line.

This is what I would like to see as the lineup next October:

Bulis Koivu Ryder
Higgins/Hossa/Zednik Ribeiro Zednik/Dagenais/Balej
Sundstrom/Higgins Begin Dackell/Sundstrom (modified only when the oponent has an average 1st line.)
Hossa/Higgins/Langdon Kilger Balej/Dagenais

Souray Komisarek
Markov Rivet
Hainsey Brisebois
Bouillon

Theodore
Garon

prabak11 12-22-2003 05:39 AM

its amazing souray on his last year of contract so hes doing freaking amazing and then we're gonna sign him to a big deal then souray will end playing bad as markov :mad:

this always happens to us:(

gunnerdom 12-22-2003 05:43 AM

Andreas Dackell, (III) Re-sign
Joe Juneau, (III) Let go
Darren Langdon, (III) Re-sign
Yannick Perrault, (III)Let go
Stephane Quintal, (III)Let go

Steve Begin, (II) Re-sign
Sylvain Blouin, (II)Let go
Pierre Dagenais, (II) Re-sign
Jean-Francois Damphousse, (II)Let go
Gordie Dwyer, (II)Let go
Eric Fichaud, (II)Let go
Mathieu Garon, (II) Re-sign
Marcel Hossa, (II) Re-sign
Martti Jarventie, (II)Let go
Mike Ribeiro, (II) Re-sign
Michael Ryder, (II) Re-sign
Sheldon Souray, (II) Re-sign
Niklas Sundstrom, (II) Re-sign
Patrick Traverse, (II)Let go
Richard Zednik, (II) Re-sign

Audette gets bought out! please god please!

Habruti! 12-22-2003 05:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ejaculine
Andreas Dackell, (III) Re-sign
Joe Juneau, (III) Let go
Darren Langdon, (III) Re-sign
Yannick Perrault, (III)Let go
Stephane Quintal, (III)Let go

Steve Begin, (II) Re-sign
Sylvain Blouin, (II)Let go
Pierre Dagenais, (II) Re-sign
Jean-Francois Damphousse, (II)Let go
Gordie Dwyer, (II)Let go
Eric Fichaud, (II)Let go
Mathieu Garon, (II) Re-sign
Marcel Hossa, (II) Re-sign
Martti Jarventie, (II)Let go
Mike Ribeiro, (II) Re-sign
Michael Ryder, (II) Re-sign
Sheldon Souray, (II) Re-sign
Niklas Sundstrom, (II) Re-sign
Patrick Traverse, (II)Let go
Richard Zednik, (II) Re-sign

Audette gets bought out! please god please!

I do nto think any of the UFA group III should be resigned. Guys like langdon can be obtained for free, still he is the only one I would even consider obtaining. With Higgins coming along we do not need both Sundstrum and Dackell. Only one of them will do. With Gratton and Begin we do not need Juneau. With Komisarek and Archer coming along nicely we do not need Quintal anymore. That is my take on things. Perreault in my opininon will be gone before the trade deadline!

gunnerdom 12-22-2003 06:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Habruti!
I do nto think any of the UFA group III should be resigned. Guys like langdon can be obtained for free, still he is the only one I would even consider obtaining. With Higgins coming along we do not need both Sundstrum and Dackell. Only one of them will do. With Gratton and Begin we do not need Juneau. With Komisarek and Archer coming along nicely we do not need Quintal anymore. That is my take on things. Perreault in my opininon will be gone before the trade deadline!

Well it all depends which kid is ready to move up to the NHL. But if we dont have anybody ready for the 3rd line.. we have to keep at least Sundstrom or Dackell. I like both of them.

Habruti! 12-22-2003 07:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ejaculine
Well it all depends which kid is ready to move up to the NHL. But if we dont have anybody ready for the 3rd line.. we have to keep at least Sundstrom or Dackell. I like both of them.

We could probably argue that at least one of Balej, Higgins, Hossa or Plekanek will be ready next year! My bet is on both Balej and Higgins

Rahan 12-22-2003 07:06 AM

Re-sign Dackell, Langdon, Begin, Fichaud, Garon, Hossa, Ribeiro, Ryder, Souray, Sundstrom, Zednik.

gunnerdom 12-22-2003 07:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Habruti!
We could probably argue that at least one of Balej, Higgins, Hossa or Plekanek will be ready next year! My bet is on both Balej and Higgins

Balej is not a third line player, anyway not from what I hear. Higgins maybe... But I would've liked to see him in the 2nd line.

Boutmania 12-22-2003 07:29 AM

Let go by not resigning:

Andreas Dackell, (III)
Joe Juneau, (III)
Darren Langdon, (III)
Yannick Perrault, (III)
Stephane Quintal, (III)

Let go by not giving qualificating(sp?) offer

Sylvain Blouin, (II)
Gordie Dwyer, (II)
Martti Jarventie, (II)
Niklas Sundstrom, (II) (Then try to sign him for less money after)
Patrick Traverse, (II)

I guess now we have spot for Hossa, Higgins/Plekanec and Balej

NWT Habs Fan 12-22-2003 07:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Marc the Habs Fan
Good riddance to all those UFA's (except Langdon who I would look to keep) and non-tender Traverse, Blouin and Dwyer. Sundstrom is also a potential non-tender since he would make close to 2 million and that's alot for what he brings IMO.

I agree, Marc. I would add Jarventie to the list on non-qualifying offers as he clearly does not have North American pro plans any more, and the Habs have decent and much younger defensive depth in the system right now. I would also look at Sundstrom and maybe do a "Kilgeresque" deal as Boutmania suggested. $2M is a lot for him, but he is a role player that all teams need. He also really picked his game up when paired with Begin, and that is our likely #3 centre next year IMO.

The other mystery is Bob Gainey's plans for the Bulldog goaltending situation. He has a decent tandem in Fichaud and Damphousse, so I can see them signed for another one year (not too much money being tied up between them). However, there are some good young goalies in the system (Michaud in the ECHL and the young Euros like Puurula, Halak, and Heino-Lindberg) that management will eventually want to see promoted to the AHL. Puurula, at 21 and not getting the same ice time as last year, may be better served to get good #2 duties in Hamilton rather than playing backup in the Finnish league. Food for thought.

L'abstrait 12-22-2003 07:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Marc the Habs Fan
Sundstrom is also a potential non-tender since he would make close to 2 million and that's alot for what he brings IMO.

Could we do the same as we did with Kilger this year with Sundstom?

Vicious 12-22-2003 09:05 AM

Keep:

MONTREAL

Darren Langdon, (III)


Steve Begin, (II)
Mathieu Garon, (II)
Marcel Hossa, (II)
Mike Ribeiro, (II)
Michael Ryder, (II)
Sheldon Souray, (II)
Niklas Sundstrom, (II)
Richard Zednik, (II)

Marc the Habs Fan 12-22-2003 09:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HABSTRAK
Could we do the same as we did with Kilger this year with Sundstom?


Yep.

Rahan 12-22-2003 09:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HABSTRAK
Could we do the same as we did with Kilger this year with Sundstom?

Kilger took the cut because he likes being in Montreal, I think Sundstrom likes playing for us but the fans don't show any support to him even with his great play.. so we can't really tell if he would take a paycut. I think it's a possibility.

Malakhov 12-22-2003 11:51 AM

MONTREAL
Andreas Dackell, (III) Let go
Joe Juneau, (III) Let go
Darren Langdon, (III) Resign
Yannick Perrault, (III) Let go
Stephane Quintal, (III) With the lockout, he'll retire

Steve Begin, (II) Resign
Sylvain Blouin, (II) Let go
Pierre Dagenais, (II) Resign
Jean-Francois Damphousse, (II) Resign
Gordie Dwyer, (II) I don't really care
Eric Fichaud, (II) Resign
Mathieu Garon, (II) Resign
Marcel Hossa, (II) Resign
Martti Jarventie, (II) Resign
Mike Ribeiro, (II) Resign
Michael Ryder, (II) Resign
Sheldon Souray, (II) Resign
Niklas Sundstrom, (II) Let go
Patrick Traverse, (II) Let go
Richard Zednik, (II) Resign

Malakhov 12-22-2003 11:53 AM

Oh and to clear things up, much from the II pool, I'd resign for Hamilton only :P

tinyzombies 12-22-2003 11:55 AM

Good thread!

MONTREAL
Darren Langdon, (III) (good for chemistry, no brainer)
Steve Begin, (II) (good for chemistry-no brainer, will replace Juneau)
Mathieu Garon, (II) (no brainer)
Marcel Hossa, (II) (no brainer)
Mike Ribeiro, (II) (no brainer)
Michael Ryder, (II) (no brainer)
Sheldon Souray, (II) (no brainer)
Richard Zednik, (II) (no brainer)

Pierre Dagenais, (II) (depends on how he performs.. but probably yes)
Niklas Sundstrom, (II) (if we get him cheap, probably no)

LET GO:
Andreas Dackell, (III) (he's playing well probably because he's an FA, but we have plenty of kids to take his spot)
Joe Juneau, (III) (on his last legs, Begin will take over... he had a nice run tho)
Yannick Perrault, (III) (he was a good stopgap player, but we have no room for him anymore)
Stephane Quintal, (III) (on his last legs)
Sylvain Blouin, (II) (don't need him, unless we keep him in Hamilton)
Jean-Francois Damphousse, (II) (Hamilton... yes)
Gordie Dwyer, (II) (Hamilton? Or let him earn a job elsewhere?)
Eric Fichaud, (II) (As long as Michaud is worked in, I don't care)
Martti Jarventie, (II) (Don't need him)
Patrick Traverse, (II) (HELL no)

Team_Spirit 12-22-2003 11:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by All-Star
Andreas Dackell, (III) resign
Joe Juneau, (III) dump
Darren Langdon, (III) resign
Yannick Perrault, (III) dump
Stephane Quintal, (III) dump

Steve Begin, (II) resign
Sylvain Blouin, (II) dump
Pierre Dagenais, (II) resign
Jean-Francois Damphousse, (II) dump
Gordie Dwyer, (II) dump
Eric Fichaud, (II) resign
Mathieu Garon, (II) resign
Marcel Hossa, (II) resign
Martti Jarventie, (II) resign
Mike Ribeiro, (II) resign
Michael Ryder, (II) resign
Sheldon Souray, (II) resign
Niklas Sundstrom, (II) resign
Patrick Traverse, (II) dump
Richard Zednik, (II) resign

Donald Audette, buy-out

I resigned Dackell for a year to add depth to the third line. A Sundstrom Begin Dackell line can shut down any line in the league. I want to see rookies get broken in on the 2nd and 4th lines.

So long as the 4th line is used as a second checking line, and the 2nd as a second scoring line, the rookies can learn the different aspects of the NHL without feeling as much pressure.

Next year will be a difficult year for the team, and for the fans. There will be alot of rookies on the team, but if we have semi-stable 1st and 3rd lines, the team probably won't tank as bad as it could with inexperienced players on every line.

This is what I would like to see as the lineup next October:

Bulis Koivu Ryder
Higgins/Hossa/Zednik Ribeiro Zednik/Dagenais/Balej
Sundstrom/Higgins Begin Dackell/Sundstrom (modified only when the oponent has an average 1st line.)
Hossa/Higgins/Langdon Kilger Balej/Dagenais

Souray Komisarek
Markov Rivet
Hainsey Brisebois
Bouillon

Theodore
Garon

I would do exactly the same .

NWT Habs Fan 12-22-2003 12:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by raketheleaves
Patrick Traverse, (II) (HELL no)

I wondered when someone would pounce on poor Patrick. Out of sight is not always out of mind, with us finicky Habs fans. A qualifying offer...hahahaha!!

Cayouche5 12-22-2003 08:06 PM

MONTREAL
Andreas Dackell, (III) resign
Joe Juneau, (III) dump
Darren Langdon, (III) resign
Yannick Perrault, (III) dump
Stephane Quintal, (III) dump

Steve Begin, (II) resign
Sylvain Blouin, (II) dump
Pierre Dagenais, (II) resign
Jean-Francois Damphousse, (II) ( depend of Michaud Play )
Gordie Dwyer, (II) dump
Eric Fichaud, (II) ( see JFD )
Mathieu Garon, (II) resign
Marcel Hossa, (II) resign
Martti Jarventie, (II) dump
Mike Ribeiro, (II) resign
Michael Ryder, (II) resign
Sheldon Souray, (II) resign
Niklas Sundstrom, (II) resign
Patrick Traverse, (II) dump
Richard Zednik, (II) resign

Medicine Twin 12-22-2003 09:34 PM

I'd try to resign Langdon for sure. Dackell would be tempting but I think he'll have alot of options based on his play this year... so I wouldn't bet on him coming back in what could be a lesser role.

It would be a risk to not qualify Sunny. We need him on our 3rd line next year but, you guys are right, $2mil is alot for him. Dilemna? :dunno:

KILLger 12-23-2003 01:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Plekanec
I don't know who between JF Damphousse or Fichaud the organisation will keep but to me Fichaud is the better of the two, I just don'T believe in Damphousse!

The thing is : Damphousse has a better win %, better GAA, a very similar save %, has more shutouts in less outings and is younger by 4 years... there's no doubt in my mind who my priority would be in nets (for Hamilton).


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