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temporary pencil 12-26-2003 06:59 PM

Top ten players at each position
 
Who do you think the top 10 players at each position are?

IMO:

Defensemen
Nicklas Lidstrom
Rob Blake
Brian Leetch
Eric Desjardins
Al MacInnis
Adam Foote
Scott Stevens
Scott Niedermayer
Chris Pronger
Derek Morris

Centers
Peter Forsberg
Mike Modano
Joe Sakic
Sergei Fedorov
Joe Thornton
Robert Lang
Mats Sundin
Steve Rucchin
Michael Peca
Ron Francis

Left wingers
Ilya Kovalchuk
Markus Naslund
Keith Tkachuk
Alex Tanguay
Paul Kariya
Ryan Smyth
Sergei Samsonov
Ray Whitney
Patrik Elias
Martin Straka

Right wingers
Jaromir Jagr
Marian Gaborik
Jarome Iginla
Daniel Alfredsson
Dany Heatley
Marian Hossa
Teemu Selanne
Trevor Linden
Todd Bertuzzi
Jeff O'Neill

Goalies
Martin Brodeur
Nikolai Khabibulin
Marty Turco
Jose Theodore
Tomas Vokoun
Roberto Luongo
Jean-Sebastien Giguere
Ed Belfour
Patrick Lalime
Jocelyn Thibault

I didn't include Mario Lemieux in the list because I'm really not sure about him. When he's healthy, he's able of being the best player in the world... but I don't even know if he's able to walk right now so I guess we'll have to see when he comes back

thestonedkoala 12-26-2003 07:02 PM

Gaborik isn't a top ten, and I have problems figuring out if he will ever be a top 10. He has a bad consistancy problem.

temporary pencil 12-26-2003 07:04 PM

Oh and just in case you guys are wondering why I didn't put Lemieux because of his injuries but still put Heatley on the list... I know it's a contradiction, but Heatley is still very young and can get back to 100% in a few months when his injuries get better...

Pinto 12-26-2003 07:05 PM

Those better not be in order

Legionnaire 12-26-2003 07:05 PM

C'mon man, do you really think that Linden, O'neil, and Selanne are better than Palffy?

temporary pencil 12-26-2003 07:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pinto80
Those better not be in order

IMO, yes...

meehan 12-26-2003 07:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by temporary pencil
Who do you think the top 10 players at each position are?

IMO:

Defensemen
Nicklas Lidstrom
Rob Blake
Brian Leetch
Eric Desjardins
Al MacInnis
Adam Foote
Scott Stevens
Scott Niedermayer
Chris Pronger
Derek Morris

Centers
Peter Forsberg
Mike Modano
Joe Sakic
Sergei Fedorov
Joe Thornton
Robert Lang
Mats Sundin
Steve Rucchin
Michael Peca
Ron Francis

Left wingers
Ilya Kovalchuk
Markus Naslund
Keith Tkachuk
Alex Tanguay
Paul Kariya
Ryan Smyth
Sergei Samsonov
Ray Whitney
Patrik Elias
Martin Straka

Right wingers
Jaromir Jagr
Marian Gaborik
Jarome Iginla
Daniel Alfredsson
Dany Heatley
Marian Hossa
Teemu Selanne
Trevor Linden
Todd Bertuzzi
Jeff O'Neill

Goalies
Martin Brodeur
Nikolai Khabibulin
Marty Turco
Jose Theodore
Tomas Vokoun
Roberto Luongo
Jean-Sebastien Giguere
Ed Belfour
Patrick Lalime
Jocelyn Thibault

I didn't include Mario Lemieux in the list because I'm really not sure about him. When he's healthy, he's able of being the best player in the world... but I don't even know if he's able to walk right now so I guess we'll have to see when he comes back

Are these in order from top to bottom? If so I think there are many things I would have strongly disagree with, like having Trevor Linden ahead of Todd Bertuzzi :lol:

temporary pencil 12-26-2003 07:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by meehan
Are these in order from top to bottom? If so I think there are many things I would have strongly disagree with, like having Trevor Linden ahead of Todd Bertuzzi :lol:

What's wrong with Linden? He's one of the best defensive players in hockey and is also arguably one of the top 10 playmakers. Bertuzzi is pretty good too but Linden has a lot more experience and plays a much better positional game...

Mizral 12-26-2003 07:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by temporary pencil
What's wrong with Linden? He's one of the best defensive players in hockey and is also arguably one of the top 10 playmakers. Bertuzzi is pretty good too but Linden has a lot more experience and plays a much better positional game...

Uhhh.. wha?

Linden isn't even a top 10 playmaker on the Canucks. He is a shooter, not a playmaker. He's also not the best defensive player on the team.

Yes, he is one of the best 3rd liners in the league, but he is not, even close to being, a top 10 Right Winger in this league.

Ronnie Bass 12-26-2003 07:28 PM

Why do you have Leetch rated so high, yeah maybe 5-10 years ago but now? And he's a Ranger I have always liked (always have a soft spot for players from Team USA) but he's not the same player he was then, in fact I noticed you have a few players past their prime.

The Mars Volchenkov 12-26-2003 07:38 PM

Derek Morris is not a Top 10 defenseman...yet. Wade Redden, Ed Jovanovski, and Sergei Gonchar are just a few defenseman who should be ahead of him. Desjardins is not Top 10 either.

Mizral 12-26-2003 07:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Legionnaire
C'mon man, do you really think that Linden, O'neil, and Selanne are better than Palffy?

I never used to buy it when you Kings fans said Palffy was underrated, but I'm starting to believe you guys might have been right ;)

Anyways, here's my list - This is only my opinion.. if you disagree, that's fine, don't take it too seriously

Left Wing:

Markus Naslund
Paul Kariya
Ilya Kovalchuk
Keith Tkachuk
Brendan Shanahan
Ladislav Nagy
Jere Lehtinen
Patrick Elias
Marco Sturm

Centre:

Peter Forsberg
Joe Sakic
Sergei Fedorov
Joe Thornton
Mike Modano
Pavol Demitra
Mats Sundin
Doug Weight
Jeremy Roenick
John Madden

Right Wing: (note: I removed Dany Heatley, since I'm unsure how he'll come back and play)

Todd Bertuzzi
Jerome Iginla
Marian Hossa
Zigmund Palffy
Milan Hejduk
Jaromir Jagr
Mark Recchi
Daniel Alfredsson
Bill Guerin
Alexander Mogilny
Martin St.Louis

Defense: (note: I left off Al MacInnis since I'm not sure if he'll come back, or how he'll play when/if he does)

Nicklas Lidstrom
Chris Pronger
Rob Blake
Ed Jovanovski
Adam Foote
Scott Neidermayer
Sergei Zubov
Mattias Ohlund
Sergei Gonchar
Darian Hatcher (not a bit Hatch fan)

Goalies: (note: Hasek, same reasons as above, plus I haven't seen him play much at all this year anyways)

Martin Brodeur
Jose Theodore
Ed Belfour
Tomas Vokoun
J.S. Giguere
Dwayne Roloson
Roberto Luongo
Marty Turco
Patrick Lalime
Sean Burke

Stephen 12-26-2003 07:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by temporary pencil
Who do you think the top 10 players at each position are?

IMO:

Defensemen
Nicklas Lidstrom
Rob Blake
Brian Leetch
Eric Desjardins
Al MacInnis
Adam Foote
Scott Stevens
Scott Niedermayer
Chris Pronger
Derek Morris

Centers
Peter Forsberg
Mike Modano
Joe Sakic
Sergei Fedorov
Joe Thornton
Robert Lang
Mats Sundin
Steve Rucchin
Michael Peca
Ron Francis

Left wingers
Ilya Kovalchuk
Markus Naslund
Keith Tkachuk
Alex Tanguay
Paul Kariya
Ryan Smyth
Sergei Samsonov
Ray Whitney
Patrik Elias
Martin Straka

Right wingers
Jaromir Jagr
Marian Gaborik
Jarome Iginla
Daniel Alfredsson
Dany Heatley
Marian Hossa
Teemu Selanne
Trevor Linden
Todd Bertuzzi
Jeff O'Neill

Goalies
Martin Brodeur
Nikolai Khabibulin
Marty Turco
Jose Theodore
Tomas Vokoun
Roberto Luongo
Jean-Sebastien Giguere
Ed Belfour
Patrick Lalime
Jocelyn Thibault

Severely overrating Lang, Linden, Straka, Francis, Peca, Rucchin, Morris, Whitney, Tanguay. Those guys shouldn't appear anywhere close to top ten in their positions.

If you're not including Lemieux, why are you including MacInnis?

A healthy Chris Pronger is much better than Desjardins, Leetch, Stevens and Niedermayer.

FlyersGuy69 12-26-2003 07:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pinto80
Those better not be in order

I take offense to your avatar, how would you like if I had one were he's pissing on a Canadian flag?

there's nothing funny about it, so change it.

Ronnie Bass 12-26-2003 08:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FlyerGuy69
I take offense to your avatar, how would you like if I had one were he's pissing on a Canadian flag?

there's nothing funny about it, so change it.

Yeah I missed that one, and it doesn't have to be up to him to change it Hockey Boards can do it themselves.

temporary pencil 12-26-2003 08:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stephen
If you're not including Lemieux, why are you including MacInnis?

Well, MacInnis is more consistant in the sense that he pretty much always plays the same way.

Lemieux's game changes a LOT from when he's healthy to when he's not. Sometimes he plays like easily the best player in the world, other times he plays like he's by far the worst player on the ice, including Steve McKenna.

Fish on The Sand 12-26-2003 08:14 PM

How is Steve Ruchin better than Saku Koivu, Steve Yzerman, Mario Lemieux and Alexei Yashin? Another thing, how are Giguere and Vokoun listed top 10? Of all the top 10 lists I've seen, this is the worst. This is one of the top 10 worst threads.....in fact its the worst. We are all dumber for having read this thread. And Trevor Linden? My god, that is just pure idiocy. Even when he was good he wasn't neccessarily top 10. And that brings me to Ray Whitney. What the **** were you thinking? That is pure *********. I can't believe I actually read what I did.

Ronnie Bass 12-26-2003 08:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fish on The Sand
How is Steve Ruchin better than Saku Koivu, Steve Yzerman, Mario Lemieux and Alexei Yashin? Another thing, how are Giguere and Vokoun listed top 10? Of all the top 10 lists I've seen, this is the worst. This is one of the top 10 worst threads.....in fact its the worst. We are all dumber for having read this thread.

Having read it? You just contributed to it, so how dumb do you feel now?

temporary pencil 12-26-2003 08:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fish on The Sand
How is Steve Ruchin better than Saku Koivu, Steve Yzerman, Mario Lemieux and Alexei Yashin? Another thing, how are Giguere and Vokoun listed top 10? Of all the top 10 lists I've seen, this is the worst. This is one of the top 10 worst threads.....in fact its the worst. We are all dumber for having read this thread. And Trevor Linden? My god, that is just pure idiocy. Even when he was good he wasn't neccessarily top 10. And that brings me to Ray Whitney. What the **** were you thinking? That is pure *********. I can't believe I actually read what I did.

OK, ok... so... yeah, maybe I'm overrating some palyers, but I think Whitney is really a great player. So... what's your top 10?

Legionnaire 12-26-2003 08:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by temporary pencil
OK, ok... so... yeah, maybe I'm overrating some palyers, but I think Whitney is really a great player. So... what's your top 10?

I guess if people are going to criticize they should post their own. I'll post mine in the next couple of days..I'm just not in the mood right now :p

Epsilon 12-26-2003 08:33 PM

I'm sure I'll leave off a name or two that I would have wanted to put on. Also, these are in no particular order, other than the bottom 2 or 3 probably being lower on my list than the top 5 or 6 since the latter came to mind first. Lemieux and MacInnis are omitted because I'm not sure if they will play again, and if they do if they will play any substantial amount of games.

Goaltenders:

Martin Brodeur
Ed Belfour
Nikolai Khabibulin
Dominik Hasek
Marty Turco
Tomas Vokoun
Patrick Lalime
Jean-Sebastien Giguere
Roman Cechmanek
Jose Theodore

Defensemen:

Niklas Lidstrom
Chris Pronger
Rob Blake
Derian Hatcher
Sergei Gonchar
Adam Foote
Scott Niedermayer
Sergei Zubov
Mattias Ohlund
Ed Jovanovski

Centers:

Peter Forsberg
Sergei Fedorov
Mike Modano
Joe Sakic
Mats Sundin
Joe Thornton
Doug Weight
Pavol Demitra
Pavel Datsyuk
John Madden

Left Wingers:

Ilya Kovalchuk
Marcus Naslund
Keith Tkachuk
Ladislav Nagy
Jere Lehtinen
Paul Kariya
Patrick Elias
Alex Tanguay
Brendan Shanahan
Vyacheslav Kozlov

Right Wingers:

Zigmund Palffy
Jaromir Jagr
Jarome Iginla
Milan Hedjuk
Todd Bertuzzi
Brett Hull
Marian Hossa
Dany Heatley
Daniel Alfredsson
Alexander Mogilny

Fish on The Sand 12-26-2003 08:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by temporary pencil
OK, ok... so... yeah, maybe I'm overrating some palyers, but I think Whitney is really a great player. So... what's your top 10?

Sorry for coming down hard, but when I see top 10, and then the names Ruchin, Francis and Linden I just lose it.


In no order


Goalies

Theo
Brodeur
Belfour
Luongo
Hasek
Khabibulin
Joseph
Kolzig
Weekes
Burke

Centers

Forsberg
Yashin
Modano
Fedorov
Koivu
Sundin
Weight
Thornton
Sakic
Roenick

Wingers(not up to speed on who's left and who's right, so I'll give 20)

Kovalchuck
Palffy
Naslund
Bertuzzi
Hejduk
Jagr
Mogilny
Kovalev
Tkachuck
Hull
Datsyuk
Guerin
Demitra
Amonte
Lehtinen
Alfredsson
Murray
Kovalev
Bondra
Gaborik

Defence

Lidstrom
Blake
Morris
Pronger
Gonchar
Schneider
Stevens
Redden
Jovanovski
Zubov

MephistoIV 12-26-2003 08:51 PM

LW-
Tkachuk
Kovalchuck
Naslund
Kariya
Lethinen
Nagy
Nash
Shannahan
Elias
Leclair

C-
Thornton
Forsberg
Sakic
Demitra
Weight
Fedorov
Savard
Yzerman
Lemieux
Madden

RW-
Jagr
Kovalev
Hejduk
Palffy
Hull
Hossa
Bertuzzi
Mogilny
Alfredson
Heatley

D-
Pronger
Blake
Gonchar
Lidstrom
Schenider(so far)
Niedermeyer
MacInnis
Chara
Foote
Stevens

G-
Khabbi
Broduer
Belfour
Vokoun
Theodore
Nurminen
Cloutier
Luongo
Kolzig
Burke

No particular order.

Mike8 12-26-2003 09:25 PM

Not counting salary, just sheer talent in who I'd pick if I were building a team.

Center

Peter Forsberg
Sergei Fedorov
Mike Modano
Joe Thornton
Joe Sakic
Mats Sundin
Doug Weight
Pavol Demitra
John Madden
Bobby Holik


Left Wing

Markus Naslund
Ilya Kovalchuk
Keith Tkachuk
Paul Kariya
Patrik Elias
Jere Lehtinen
Ryan Smyth
Rick Nash
Brendan Shanahan
Martin Straka


Right Wing

Marian Hossa
Jarome Iginla
Milan Hejduk
Todd Bertuzzi
Ziggy Palffy
Dany Heatley
Alexander Mogilny
Daniel Alfredsson
Brett Hull


Defense

Nicklas Lidstrom
Chris Pronger
Adam Foote
Rob Blake
Scott Niedermayer
Al MacInnis
Sergei Zubov
Sergei Gonchar
Mattias Ohlund
Ed Jovanovski



Goaltending


Martin Brodeur
Ed Belfour
Jose Theodore
Dominik Hasek
Tomas Vokoun
Patrick Lalime
JS Giguere
Marty Turco
Nikolai Khabibulin

Choosing a 10th goalie is tough. I like Luongo and what he's done this year, but Denis has done a lot before struggling this season. Osgood's had a strong year and has experience which earns him some recognition even if I'm not as high on his cabilities as I am on Luongo or Denis'. Can I cop-out and call it a three way tie between these guys? :p

NOTE: I completely forgot Kolzig, too. Let's make it a four-way tie! :D

Fedz 12-26-2003 09:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by temporary pencil

Defensemen
Nicklas Lidstrom
Rob Blake
Brian Leetch
Eric Desjardins
Al MacInnis
Adam Foote
Scott Stevens
Scott Niedermayer
Chris Pronger
Derek Morris

Desjardins, Leetch, MacInnis, Foote, Stevens, Morris all ahead of Jovanovski :lol:


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