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Kodiak 07-10-2007 03:46 PM

Rangers Salary Cap Situation
 
I am going to lay out our cap situation for the upcoming season in this thread to end the confusion regarding how much room we have left. I will update this thread as the remaining free agents sign. If one of the mods would be so kind as to sticky this, it might be helpful.

The salary cap for the upcoming season is $50.3 mil. The following players are under contract and expected to be on the opening day roster:

PlayerCap Number
Gomez 7.357134
Drury 7.05
Shanahan5.3*
Jagr 4.94
Straka 3.3
Avery1.9
Prucha 1.6
Hossa0.78
Dubinsky0.633333
Betts 0.615
Callahan 0.575
Orr 0.5375
Hollweg 0.513
Mara 3
Malik 2.5
Rozsival 2.1
Tyutin 0.9875
Staal0.826667**
Girardi 0.75***
Pock 0.6675
Strudwick 0.5
Lundqvist4.25
Valiquette 0.6175
Total51.300134
Remaining-1.000134
Bonuses3.1
Total less Bonuses48.200134
Remaining less Bonuses2.099866
*Shanahan's contract contains $2.8 mil in performance bonuses.
**Staal's contract contains $100k in performance bonuses.
***Girardi's contract contains $200k in performance bonuses.

All performance bonuses count against the cap this year. A team can exceed the salary cap by $3.77 mil (7.5% of the cap) to pay these performance bonuses, but any excess will be dead cap space for the 08-09 season.

Other Notable Contracts (not counted towards the above total):
PlayerCap Number
Kasparaitis2.989333
Montoya1.8342*
Korpikoski1.017533
Anisimov0.85
Bourret0.85
Moore0.725
Byers0.608333
Liffiton0.579
Baranka0.521667
Barnes0.516667
Dawes0.496333
Hutchinson0.475
*Montoya's contract contains $850k in performance bonuses.

HockeyBasedNYC 07-10-2007 03:50 PM

Nice, might even want to sticky this for the next few weeks.

So over 7 Million basically to sign Avery and Lundqvist.

They might walk away from Hossa if he gets awarded near 1 mil. - and hes not worth that.

Avery should get somewhere between 1.75 - 2.5

Lundqvist hopefully gets a longterm starting with a 4 - 5 cap hit this season or less if the Rangers are lucky and Meehan compromises...

Say 5 for Hank and 2 for Avery - 7.0 with .5 wiggle room.

Hossa im sorry but - bye bye.

Inferno 07-10-2007 04:20 PM

the only way i can see this working out to keep all 3 w/o moving someone is if glen makes a "wink wink" deal with henrik to sign him to an extention after january first.

so like he signs 1 year, 4 million today

avery gets 2.2 mil

hossa 800k

everything fits, then after jan first henrik gets a 6 year extension paying him 5.75 per (to make it even out to a 7 year 5.5 per deal)

HockeyBasedNYC 07-10-2007 04:22 PM

Right, barring no trades.

wolfgaze 07-10-2007 04:23 PM

We can waive Kaspar can't we? That'll come off the books...

Also, those performance bonuses for Shanahan will only count towards next year's cap if we spend to the max and exceed the current salary cap, per Dellapina... So if we clear cap space at the end of the season, even if Shanny gets all his bonuses, we aren't necessarily on the hook next year....

Inferno 07-10-2007 04:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wolfgaze (Post 9877692)
We can waive Kaspar can't we? That'll come off the books...

Also, those performance bonuses for Shanahan will only count towards next year's cap if we spend to the max and exceed the current salary cap, per Dellapina... So if we clear cap space at the end of the season, even if Shanny gets all his bonuses, we aren't necessarily on the hook next year....

he will be waived to go down to hartford, or i guess he'll just flat out play in hartford, since if he starts here and then is waived, that means we are over the cap.

so yeah, he has to play in hartford.

either way, it doesnt matter, kaspars salary doesnt count, and hes good leadership for the minors.

Carlos Ranger 07-10-2007 04:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wolfgaze (Post 9877692)
We can waive Kaspar can't we? That'll come off the books...

Also, those performance bonuses for Shanahan will only count towards next year's cap if we spend to the max and exceed the current salary cap, per Dellapina... So if we clear cap space at the end of the season, even if Shanny gets all his bonuses, we aren't necessarily on the hook next year....

Does a waiver cleared player with a multi year contract remain in the minors during the offseason and start of the next season or do we have to waive him again? can anyone clarify?

Inferno 07-10-2007 04:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by God Is Avery (Post 9877776)
Does a waiver cleared player with a multi year contract remain in the minors during the offseason and start of the next season or do we have to waive him again? can anyone clarify?

im fairly sure they can just start him off in the minors.

i dont think he has to pass through waivers and goto the minors, he just starts there. simply put, if hes on the roster to start the season, we go over the cap, so he cant be on there, period.

wolfgaze 07-10-2007 04:41 PM

I remember there was a news article saying we were going to buy Kaspar out but that was way before the big signings so in all likelihood, they won't buy him out because our cap space is TOO TIGHT...

Doesn't really matter to me that he's waived and sent to Hartford.... He's getting payed a fortune...

Forechecker 07-10-2007 04:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wolfgaze (Post 9877917)
I remember there was a news article saying we were going to buy Kaspar out but that was way before the big signings so in all likelihood, they won't buy him out because our cap space is TOO TIGHT...

Doesn't really matter to me that he's waived and sent to Hartford.... He's getting payed a fortune...

Also, the buyout period ended a few weeks ago.

Irish Blues 07-10-2007 04:49 PM

As close as you guys will be to the cap, those numbers really need to be to within at least $100 if not to the dollar ... because depending on how other guys contracts end up in arbitration, a few dollars may make all the difference between whether you can call a guy up from the AHL or not this season.

Kasparaitis would have to be waived again to be sent to Hartford. The fact that he ended '06-07 there doesn't automatically grant the team the right to put him back down there without having to clear waivers.

ATLANTARANGER* 07-10-2007 05:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kodiak (Post 9877189)
I am going to lay out our cap situation for the upcoming season in this thread to end the confusion regarding how much room we have left. I will update this thread as the remaining free agents sign. If one of the mods would be so kind as to sticky this, it might be helpful.

The salary cap for the upcoming season is $50.3 mil. The following players are under contract and expected to be on the opening day roster:

PlayerCap Number
Gomez 7.357
Drury 7.05
Jagr 4.94
Straka 3.3
Cullen 2.875
Shanahan2.5*
Prucha 1.6
Betts 0.615
Callahan 0.575
Orr 0.538
Hollweg 0.513
Mara 3
Malik 2.5
Rozsival 2.1
Tyutin 0.988
Pock 0.668
Girardi 0.55**
Strudwick 0.5
Valiquette 0.618
Total 42.787
Remaining7.513
*Shanahan's contract contains an additional $1.5 mil in performance bonuses.
**Girardi's contract has $200k in performance bonuses.
All performance bonuses count against the cap this year. We can exceed the salary cap by $3.77 mil to pay these performance bonuses, but any excess will be dead cap space for the 08-09 season.

Other notable contracts:
PlayerCap Number
Kasparaitis2.989
Staal0.827
Montoya0.984*
Korpikoski1.018
Moore0.725
Byers0.608
Bourret0.85
Dubinsky0.633
Baranka0.522
Liffiton0.579
Dawes0.496
*Montoya has $850k in performance bonuses.

Remaining Free Agents
Lundqvist
Avery
Hossa

I still think Hossa is the odd man out. Lundy $5M & Avery $2M. Leaves .5M wiggle room for a young player to fill out the 23 man roster or go with 22.

wolfgaze 07-10-2007 05:22 PM

I don't understand why we assume Kaspar's contract will be counting against our cap.... If the option to get his contract off our salary cap is there, you dont' think Sather is going to exercise it?!?!?

Kodiak 07-10-2007 05:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wolfgaze (Post 9878404)
I don't understand why we assume Kaspar's contract will be counting against our cap.... If the option to get his contract off our salary cap is there, you dont' think Sather is going to exercise it?!?!?

I didn't count Kaspar in the calculation. He's in the "Other Notable Contracts" section. Only the players in the first table are counted towards my total.

Kodiak 07-10-2007 05:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ATLANTARANGER (Post 9878366)
I still think Hossa is the odd man out. Lundy $5M & Avery $2M. Leaves .5M wiggle room for a young player to fill out the 23 man roster or go with 22.

It depends on how much Hossa gets. If we sign Avery and let Hossa walk, we have 12 forwards on the roster. I can't imagine that we're not going to carry at least one spare forward. Hossa's 10 goals should not entitle him to a big raise in the eyes of the arbitrator. He may have a cap hit not much higher than Moore.

Even if Hossa walks, we can't spend the entire $7.5 mil on Lundqvist and Avery. We need to leave room for a spare forward, and some wiggle room for later injury call-ups and in case Staal beats out Pock. I think someone is going to be traded.

TomLaidlaw 07-11-2007 10:18 AM

I think this needs a bump with Lundys signing.

mti79 07-11-2007 10:19 AM

started with 7.5 million left, Hank signed for a reported 2.5 million(thank you very much) leaves 5 million for Avery and Hossa. Not too bad... not too bad at all.

TomLaidlaw 07-11-2007 10:22 AM

Ideally if we could get Avery and Hossa signed for a comined 3mill that would give us around 2 mill in cap space going into the year with a full roster. It's always good to have a few mill wiggle room for call ups if necessary

Kodiak 07-11-2007 10:38 AM

Updated for Henke's signing. I'll update again when we get the official terms.

Bear in mind that our actual cap number is $3 mil higher than my listed number. Any of that $3 mil that goes over the cap will be dead space next year.

broadwayblue 07-11-2007 10:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TomLaidlaw (Post 9884661)
Ideally if we could get Avery and Hossa signed for a comined 3mill that would give us around 2 mill in cap space going into the year with a full roster. It's always good to have a few mill wiggle room for call ups if necessary

Not to mention that contracts obtained during the course of the season are pro-rated. So basically if we had $2m available we can add a $4m salary at the halfway point of the season.

Le depisteur 07-11-2007 10:46 AM

Actually, the cap hit for Shanahan is 5.3MM$... :teach:

Kodiak 07-11-2007 10:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Le depisteur (Post 9884973)
Actually, the cap hit for Shanahan is 5.3MM$... :teach:

I'm aware of that, but a team can exceed the cap to pay performance bonuses. Technically, we're right up against the cap with the Lundqvist signing, but the bonuses in the contracts of Shanahan and Girardi give us some wiggle room for this year. So for the purpose of determining just how much space is left for our remaining free agents, I took out the bonuses.

morkusa 07-11-2007 10:59 AM

The scenario as-is leaves the Rags absolutely no caproom for injury replacements. I think this is a very risky position to be in. With older players like Jagr, Shanahan and others on the team, it is not impossible that the Rangers could encouter big problems!

Do you see a trade coming? Are you going to move someone to the AHL? Who are the likely candidates?

isles1446 07-11-2007 11:03 AM

if a minor league player is called up how does that effect the cap? do they have to play certain number of nhl games to be included in the cap and if so how many do they have to play?

broadwayblue 07-11-2007 11:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by morkusa (Post 9885127)
The scenario as-is leaves the Rags absolutely no caproom for injury replacements. I think this is a very risky position to be in. With older players like Jagr, Shanahan and others on the team, it is not impossible that the Rangers could encouter big problems!

Do you see a trade coming? Are you going to move someone to the AHL? Who are the likely candidates?

The injury replacements are called Call ups. We have more than a few guys who could be ready to step in mid season for a stretch if needed. Where do you think top line players are just sitting around waiting to be signed after the season starts?


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