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BrooklynRangersFan 07-15-2007 06:08 AM

Shootouts and specialty units this year
 
So, we're in the midst of the summer doldrums (the next newsworthy event will be the Traverse City tournament in late Aug., right?) and our roster seems pretty set with everyone signed or going to arbitration. All potential trades appear to be put on hold, so... my mind started wandering to the lineup this year and who will be asked to do what.

We've lost some key players and added some key players and there's already been a fair amount of discussion as to how the regular lines will shake out, but I'm even more curious to think about who will fill what specialty roles.

PP:

Here I think we've improved. Gomez steps in to replace Nylander on the first unit and Drury makes the second. In fact, I wonder if Renney will simply put out the first two lines as the forwards on his top 2 PP units (a strategy which I always prefer if possible, because players always play more naturally and don't overthink as much) and go with a forward and a D on the backline for each unit. More likely he flipflops Shanahan with the LW on the even strength first line (so don't freak out when you see the units below), but if Hossa steps up again like I think he will, we could very well see:

PP 1: Hossa-Gomez-Jagr, Straka-Rozsival
PP 2: Prucha-Drury-Shanahan, Cullen-Mara

Truthfully, I'd also like to see one of Cullen or Mara moved to the top unit, because both have displayed much more willingness to shoot (although Rozsie did seem to be more willing to put it on net towards the end of last season), but the above is much more likely - again, assuming Hossa picks up where he left of prior to the injury.

PK:

Again, I think we've improved. Other than Orts, the remaining PKers are still here. Drury takes Orts' place, bringing similar defensive tenacity plus a lot more counterpunch ability for the occasional SH goal. Furthermore, if Staal is the real deal as we all hope, his presence will be felt here. Hopefully Cally takes Shanny's place, allowing him to focus on even strength and PP time, which should have a beneficial effect on both his offensive stats and his endurance. The forward pairings I see:

Betts-Hossa
Cullen-Callahan
Drury-Straka


SO:

Here's where I see a downgrade. Nyls was far and away our best performer last year. According to espn.com, Drury and Gomez were both 0-for-1 last year, which means that not only were they not successful, they weren't in the top 3 (or even 4 or 5) choices on their respective teams. We all remember Jagr's controversial stance on SOs from last year. Again, here's a reason why it's important to bring Hossa back. He had as many SO goals (3) as anyone else still on the team and had by far the best percentage on the team at 75%. Cullen and Shanahan were both 3-for-8 and Jags was 3-for-9. So what's the lineup next year? If you look at stats over the last two years, Cullen was the one constant, showing up on the first page of the leaderboard in both years, so he's gotta be in. Prucha was looking like a revelation prior to his injury in his rookie year, but since then has actually disappointed, going 0-6 last year. So to me, it's gotta be Hossa, Cullen and Jagr. Nylander's slooooooow move will be missed. Fortunately, I think we'll win a lot more games before we ever get to the shootout.

I know the Hossa bashers are going to jump all over me, but I have always been a fan and one of the reasons is his importance in the PK and SO. And, if he displays the chemistry with Jagr that we saw last year again, I stick by my prediction that you'll see him on the first powerplay unit. Having said that, everyone's entitled to their opinion, so I'm curious to see everyone else's predictions and how they differ from mine. Enjoy!

eco's bones 07-15-2007 07:30 AM

I don't remember Callahan killing too many penalties last year. He may be used in that capacity this year though--and even though I think he will he does have to make the team still. Avery seems to be out of the mix on both pwp and pk. I'd figure on him getting time at both. On pwp he can be a distraction in front of the net--going into the combat zones. On pk he is smart, will take a hit and is adept with the puck and at clearing the zone. One of the main good reasons for bringing Hossa back is the shootouts. Is it enough reason if it means trading a Cullen, Malik or Mara to make room for his contract? In any case I have no problem with Marcel on the pk but for the amount of production he's produced I don't think he deserves to be a permanent fixture on the first unit pwp.

NYR469 07-15-2007 08:02 AM

re: shootouts--lucky for us we have lundqvist in net, which means no matter how bad our shooters are most of the shootouts will keep going until our guys eventually score cause lundqvist doesn't get beat :yo: last year we only had 1 guy (hossa) in the top 88 in terms of % and still managed to have the 4th best win %

hossa was 3 for 4 last year, so i'd look for him to get a shot to replace nylander in the top 3...and nylander was only 5 for 13 (38.5%), shanny & cullen were both 3 for 8 (37.5%) so nylander wasn't that much better then those 2....and 2 years ago cullen was 6 for 9, gomez was 2 for 3 and i remember prucha being decent. so i think we'll be ok.

NYR469 07-15-2007 08:04 AM

also avery will be killing penalties...

Onion Boy 07-15-2007 10:30 AM

Agreed on the point about Hossa. More than anything else we need him in the shootout. He is all but guaranteed to score out there. Just think how many points we gained down the stretch last year through shootout wins. We need him back.

Shanahan
Hossa
Cullen

That is a strong shootout group right there.

Smashley 07-15-2007 10:39 AM

Don't forget shanny on the pk - this is also when I will miss Jedi...

lucky13 07-15-2007 11:12 AM

id rather not use shanny on the pk this year if we dont have to...conserve his energy.......

Smashley 07-15-2007 12:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lucky13 (Post 9926057)
id rather not use shanny on the pk this year if we dont have to...conserve his energy.......

Yeah that seems to be what Ive been hearing, hopefully our pk will be good enough that we wont have to use him, but hes so ridiculously good.

Inferno 07-15-2007 12:42 PM

ive been giving the pp configurations some thought, and heres what ive come up with...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...iguration1.gif


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...iguration2.gif

Smashley 07-15-2007 12:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by inferno272 (Post 9926701)
ive been giving the pp configurations some thought, and heres what ive come up with...


Probably not what youre going for, but your diagrams are adorable.

Inferno 07-15-2007 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Smashley (Post 9926731)
Probably not what youre going for, but your diagrams are adorable.

youre right, not what i was going for.


its easy to say, oh lets put gomez jagr and straka out there, or something like that, but to me, you gotta be able to match the players strengths on the ice, to his teammates. and a PP configuration doesnt necessarily match to a 5 on 5 configuration. i really put some thought into this, but im a little too lazy at the moment to explain why each player is where he is. though im sure with some thought you guys can figure it out

Smashley 07-15-2007 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by inferno272 (Post 9926764)
youre right, not what i was going for.


its easy to say, oh lets put gomez jagr and straka out there, or something like that, but to me, you gotta be able to match the players strengths on the ice, to his teammates. and a PP configuration doesnt necessarily match to a 5 on 5 configuration. i really put some thought into this, but im a little too lazy at the moment to explain why each player is where he is. though im sure with some thought you guys can figure it out

All makes sense, Rozies hot spot, Mara on his laser-beam point, Avery all over the crease, etc.... Have you seen alot of drury on the pp?

Inferno 07-15-2007 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Smashley (Post 9926786)
All makes sense, Rozies hot spot, Mara on his laser-beam point, Avery all over the crease, etc.... Have you seen alot of drury on the pp?

ive seen enough to know that hes an intelligent player away from the puck. in fact i think he might be among the elite in terms of knowing where to position himself for the play unfolding. i put him where he is to attack rebounds since that is where he seems to get a ton of goals, but hes also got a great one-timer from around the left circle. hes my "roamer" in that configuration.

wolfgaze 07-15-2007 01:25 PM

Have to disagree... Hossa is not that great on the PP... Get him off the first unit... Also, I hate having Straka on the point... He doesn't shoot it (poor slapshot anyway)... Too predictable for the other team's PK unit...

Prucha - Gomez - Jagr
Mara - Rozsival

Callahan - Drury - Shanahan
Cullen - Tyutin

mti79 07-15-2007 01:45 PM

Let's just use Orr, Betts, Malik... that will make everyone wonder what we're up to. And if we don't win with those three, we still got Hank stopping everything and we can use Jagr, Shanny, Cullen, Prucha and the rest against other teams worse players. I tell you it's a brilliant plan. Who's with me? lol

Inferno 07-15-2007 01:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wolfgaze (Post 9927006)
Have to disagree... Hossa is not that great on the PP... Get him off the first unit... Also, I hate having Straka on the point... He doesn't shoot it (poor slapshot anyway)... Too predictable for the other team's PK unit...

Prucha - Gomez - Jagr
Mara - Rozsival

Callahan - Drury - Shanahan
Cullen - Tyutin

i disagree, i think hossas frame is ideal for planting him by the net to get rebounds.

i like straka at the point myself.

wolfgaze 07-15-2007 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by inferno272 (Post 9927178)
i disagree, i think hossas frame is ideal for planting him by the net to get rebounds.

i like straka at the point myself.

What has Hossa done on the PP in the past? I haven't seen production or anything to indicate that he should be out there... Prucha is the PP specialist and we know he fairs best with Jagr out there.... Most of Prucha's PP Goals are rebounds infront of the net and loose pucks... I'd say he probably has the ability to find that puck better then Hossa in tight traffic down low...

Our PP was ridiculed for being too predictable... With Straka on the point, it's still predictable... They know he is going to pass 95% of the time...

Inferno 07-15-2007 02:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wolfgaze (Post 9927216)
What has Hossa done on the PP in the past? I haven't seen production or anything to indicate that he should be out there... Prucha is the PP specialist and we know he fairs best with Jagr out there.... Most of Prucha's PP Goals are rebounds infront of the net and loose pucks... I'd say he probably has the ability to find that puck better then Hossa in tight traffic down low...

Our PP was ridiculed for being too predictable... With Straka on the point, it's still predictable... They know he is going to pass 95% of the time...

thats why i have prucha w/ jagr and hossa with the the shooters. hes got the frame to drive to the net and grab rebounds.

Hossa had 3 goals and an assist on the PP last year in 47:48 of PP time.

Prucha had 8 goals and 8 assists on the PP last year in 228:56 of PP time.

technically speaking, hossa is averaging better numbers per minute. now obviously its a small sample size, but still, hes got the frame to be a good PP guy, i just want him on the 2nd unit, not on the first.

NYR469 07-15-2007 03:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Smashley (Post 9926731)
Probably not what youre going for, but your diagrams are adorable.

:biglaugh:

Inferno 07-15-2007 03:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NYR469 (Post 9928067)
:biglaugh:

dont make me kick your ass leetchy.


:rant:

Jagr68Lundqvist30 07-15-2007 04:07 PM

Doesnt Gomez kill penalties?

Inferno 07-15-2007 04:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jagr68Lundqvist30 (Post 9928214)
Doesnt Gomez kill penalties?

dunno, but i know drury does. hes pretty good at em too, and is a short handed threat out there.

HockeyBasedNYC 07-15-2007 04:16 PM

The SO to me doesnt mean a whole lot.

Players get hot from year to year, get in a groove, find a new shot or something that works.
While i agree that the rangers lost a big plus in that category, Gomez and Drury are gifted players and even though they didnt shoot a whole lot last year, expect them to this year because the focus will be on them especially in the first few big shootouts or any shootouts at home vs. the Devils or Sabres.

You know Renney will pop in Drury against Miller and Gomez vs. Broduer - not just to rattle the other team but for pure entertainment value. I think you'll also see Jagr take a lot more next year.

Good post Bkln.

Inferno 07-15-2007 04:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HockeyBasedNYC (Post 9928273)
The SO to me doesnt mean a whole lot.

Players get hot from year to year, get in a groove, find a new shot or something that works.
While i agree that the rangers lost a big plus in that category, Gomez and Drury are gifted players and even though they didnt shoot a whole lot last year, expect them to this year because the focus will be on them especially in the first few big shootouts or any shootouts at home vs. the Devils or Sabres.

You know Renney will pop in Drury against Miller and Gomez vs. Broduer - not just to rattle the other team but for pure entertainment value. I think you'll also see Jagr take a lot more next year.

Good post Bkln.

gomez has a terrible shot, i wouldnt want him in the shootout.

my top 3 would be

1)Cullen
2)Shanny
3)Jagr

then Hossa, Prucha, and Straka, in that order.

LeetchIsGod2 07-15-2007 04:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jagr68Lundqvist30 (Post 9928214)
Doesnt Gomez kill penalties?

Im Pretty Sure That He Doesnt , I mean look at his career stats he has never had either a shorthanded goal or assist so i doubt he is on the pk we dont need him on the pk anyway we have enough good penalty killers def gonna miss orts and his shot blocking tho


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