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barrytrotzsneck 07-26-2007 02:00 PM

Oilers tender an offer sheet to Dustin Penner--how it affects us
 
Well first off, it's for a pretty absurd amount of money...4.3 per, for 5 years(a little more than Hartnell just got)

But more importantly..what happens when Radulov scores 35 goals this year, comes up as an RFA, and someone offers him 6 million per? Would we have the cajones to match? What does Poile do? What does whomever owns the team advocate him to do?

This is a pretty scary slippery slope. I can't wait to hear what the never-reticent Burke has to say about this, and what he plans to do.

Jarnberg 07-26-2007 02:16 PM

I think its very scary. Weber and Suter are both RFA next off season and Radulov the next.

I don't think Mr.Poile would match a big offer and would take the picks , especially if we stay to the plan of staying on the cap floor.

Enoch 07-26-2007 03:34 PM

I think it simply means this:

Weber, if he repeats last season, will be given a contract extension at the level of Ryan Whitney (4 million a year for 6 years). I suspect Poile will make the deal extend until 1 year before UFA, so I doubt it is six years. The money should be the same. Weber this time next year will either be given an offer sheet, or he will be making 4 million.

Suter is not on Weber's level yet. Still, he has become more and more important for this teams future. I think he reached Hamhuis's level at the end of the last year,and Trotz began to trust him more than anyone in the playoffs/down the stretch. I suspect he will be given a 2-3 year deal similar to Hamhuis's numbers unless he is able to put up points similar to Weber's last year. If he does, he could get Kronwall money (3.5 million average...) My hunch is that Suter could sign a one or two year deal with the suspicion that at the conclusion of the contract he will be an all-star type defenseman.

Radulov - if Radulov is ever offered the contract that Vanek received.....well, I think we may have to walk away. I love A-rad. I love his game. We cannot afford to pay a 21 year old 7+ million a year, especially when we know so little. 5 first round picks is really not that bad compensation.....Still, I doubt Radulov is at that level next year. I believe he will hit 35 goals this year,with about 30 assists. An extension offer of around 3-3.5 million at the appropriate time should be more than fair.

Penner and Vanek are simply on a different tier. Vanek even in the 03 draft was a clear offensive phenomenon. The knock on him was always passion/defense, something that has completely changed. He had one of the best two-way years in recent memory, and the offersheet reflected that. Penner simply fits the bracket. He is worth a first, second, and third round pick because his size provides a rare element to any offensive lineup. Add to that Edmonton's desperate attitude right now, and potential new owner.......they are on a mission to improve, and they have. The Oilers have loaded up on some very talented players (the Pitkanen deal was a steal.....and the bounty for Smyth was gigantic).

In summary, I think Poile knows that we have these contracts coming up. Thankfully, we will have the time and room to make these contracts work.

AdsSabresRule 07-26-2007 04:39 PM

How does Dustin Penner get 21 Mil over 5 years!
:amazed:
Why did we have a year off from hockey again?

AdsSabresRule 07-26-2007 04:41 PM

I EASILY would have sailed Vanek and taken the 4 first round picks from EDM. Easily...Vanek ain't worth that kind of money. No way no how. Good, might be great one day...but 7 years? Nuts. Lowe got us dirty this time, pay back is a $%^&*#! As far as Radu getting that kind of money in his RFA window? Penner? No, could not do it. Too young. Too iffy...

Enoch 07-26-2007 04:45 PM

Quote:


I EASILY would have sailed Vanek and taken the 4 first round picks from EDM. Easily...

I would have as well.

Penner's contract is almost the same as Hartnell's contract.

AdmiralPred 07-26-2007 07:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AdsSabresRule (Post 10029041)
How does Dustin Penner get 21 Mil over 5 years!
:amazed:
Why did we have a year off from hockey again?

Hedging on his being great and turning that 5th, 4th, and possibly 3rd year into a bargain. Or, Penner fades into mediocrity and the contract is as good as Yashin's, take the hit in year four and buy it out. He's no Getzlaf, but did impress during the Cup run with his game.

Question is, is this RFA run a fad or could this be the norm with a capped/floored CBA and earlier UFA age (or shorter RFA window, depending on how you look at it)? Teams like Washington, Nashville, and even Edmonton could be dangerous at this time of year, sure you cough up some picks, but if your team is teetering at the cap floor and feel like pulling out the wallet to spice up the roster - it can be a quick, yet pricey way to do it. Plus, you may be giving up first rounders, but if you already have a pool of prospects to develop and have done well in the 2nd and mid-rounds of the draft your franchise can still remain competitive and deep. So, a GM with a fire under his arse may be more aggressive. In the end, there is still only 54% of the pie to go around.

Just a thought. Not necessarily my sentiments.

Paranoid Android 07-26-2007 10:58 PM

Ek: Burke will match according to 3 sources

blueNcopper 07-26-2007 11:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Predanerd (Post 10032729)
Ek: Burke will match according to 3 sources

Eklunds 3 sources, let me guess..., his wife and two of his kids?

Paranoid Android 07-27-2007 12:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by blueNcopper (Post 10033186)
Eklunds 3 sources, let me guess..., his wife and two of his kids?

No, his dog, cat, and a homeless bum.

jstreet 07-27-2007 08:11 AM

some excellent discussion going on about this topic here---
http://hfboards.com/showthread.php?t=405177

AdmiralPred 07-27-2007 12:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by burnlikestars (Post 10034984)
some excellent discussion going on about this topic here---
http://hfboards.com/showthread.php?t=405177

For some reason that thread starter's avatar really bugs me.


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