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Pens1566 08-09-2007 09:46 AM

Who wins this?
 
Kovalchuk

for

Kessel, Montoya/Vokoun, and Lindgren/Kalus/Chris Stewart

Keeper league, btw

Diamond Joe 08-09-2007 10:20 AM

I would say the guy getting Kessel, I know in my keeper goalies are SO important, plus you'd be getting a good prospect in Stewart...I'd say he's capable of 25 goals and he'll be a good PF.

Rudolf Yaber 08-09-2007 11:09 AM

I'd say Kovalchuk

Heske_44 08-09-2007 11:15 AM

Ilya...the others are just "stuff"...Ilya is a ripper stud

State of Hockey 08-09-2007 01:05 PM

I would gamble here and go with the group of players - especially if it was Kessel, Vokoun, and Kalus.

RocheBag 08-09-2007 01:32 PM

I wouldn't call Phil Kessel and Tomas Voukoun or Al Montoya "stuff". IMO, the bigger group of players are the better option in this trade.

Heske_44 08-09-2007 02:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RocheBag (Post 10144598)
I wouldn't call Phil Kessel and Tomas Voukoun or Al Montoya "stuff". IMO, the bigger group of players are the better option in this trade.

2 prospects and a decent goalie or three prospects for an elite forward I call stuff meaning they haven't actually done anything where it counts. How or when they will hit/meet their potential hasn't been established. Ilya is a top fantasy forward and I'll take the sure bet as I would be able to draft or make individual trades for those type of Kessel/Montoya type players.

Pens1566 08-09-2007 02:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Heske_44 (Post 10145258)
2 prospects and a decent goalie or three prospects for an elite forward I call stuff meaning they haven't actually done anything where it counts. How or when they will hit/meet their potential hasn't been established. Ilya is a top fantasy forward and I'll take the sure bet as I would be able to draft or make individual trades for those type of Kessel/Montoya type players.

That "sure bet" had 76pts last year. In a full season.

RocheBag 08-09-2007 02:51 PM

Kessel ended the season great, Montoya is an oustanding Goalie prospect, and Vokoun is a top 10 Goalie. You get 2 of them and another prospect, I think it's not that close. Kessel will end up better than Kovy's 76 points and Goaltending is very important in Fantasy, no brainer for me.

Skylab 08-09-2007 09:44 PM

It'll be years before Kessel gets more than 76 points. In saying that Kessel goes above Kovy's 76 it also implies taht Kovalchuk won't be going higher, which he will.

Like in most trades it depends on need and how badly a team needs a goalie (Vokoun), but for a team that isn't desperate for a goalie I think you need to take Kovalchuk.

Jeff Goldblum 08-10-2007 02:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pens1566 (Post 10142760)
Kovalchuk

for

Kessel, Montoya/Vokoun, and Lindgren/Kalus/Chris Stewart

Keeper league, btw

I think you should trade Kovalchuk to another GM. Probably for, say...Bruno Gervais. That would be excellent return.

:sarcasm:

Heske_44 08-10-2007 03:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pens1566 (Post 10145294)
That "sure bet" had 76pts last year. In a full season.

He had 76 points because of a poor powerplay due to loss of Savard but don't kid yourself...Kovalchuk just turned 23 in April and has 379 points in 387 games. Not to mention scoring 50 goals when he was 22. That sounds much better than anything else named in the mix. Name 50 goal scorers and 100pt guys under 25 years old...not to mention he is a total puck and ice hog.

I'm not saying these prospects are bad players but why on earth give up Kovalchuk? Kessel/Montoya/Vokoun/kalus are not the last prospects on earth. You could easily have a better chance of finding a prospect with similar potential as opposed to replacing Ilya..without question.

Me personally I'd look at what I needed most and go after one of those players and keep Ilya.

#1 GM 08-10-2007 09:46 AM

It rAElly depends on how desperately teh team that is getting Vokun is, regarding goaltending.

Putting team needs aside,

I think the guy getting Kovalchuk is the winner here. Kessel "might" at BEST be as good as Kovalchuk. I wouldn't bet on the fact that he will though. Montoya and Kessel are far off in the future. Vokun plays for a mediocre team.

Fan of The Game 08-10-2007 10:27 AM

I agree you have to look at your team needs. If you can afford it then do it.

isles20* 08-10-2007 11:15 AM

kovalchuk side

RocheBag 08-10-2007 11:37 AM

Saying that Kessel MIGHT be as good as Kovy AT BEST is a bit of a stretch. His potential is virtually limitless, the kid is going to be a stud, no question.


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