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dbui72 09-29-2007 08:55 AM

Zherdev Trade Heating Up? Washington?
 
http://www.hockeybuzz.com/blog.php?post_id=9692

It is Eukland, take for what it is worth.

If he does come to Washington, that is the first line RW we were looking for. Who would you like to give up for him? He s high risk and high reward guy. He has lots of potential.

The max I would give the Jackets is Eminger, Sutherby, and a 2nd.

Apparently is supposed to have adopted a change attitude, but who knows.

Read below.


http://www.dispatch.com/dispatch/con...1_307BDHM.html


Before many of you start thinking yes, read below for those of you who do not know the extent of his attitude.

http://www.dispatch.com/dispatch/con...1_JN6ALEA.html

mrwarden 09-29-2007 08:58 AM

First of all, no.

Second of all even he who shall not be deemed a credible source has recanted: http://www.hockeybuzz.com/blog.php?post_id=9729

And there's a lot more here: http://hfboards.com/showthread.php?t=423922

dbui72 09-29-2007 09:00 AM

Thanks for the info. I am very curious on him and wonder our Russians can bring him in or he brings down Semin.

Jasper17 09-29-2007 09:13 AM

If you can get him for Eminger, DO IT.

I know it is a high risk move, but it is a risk worth taking IMO. This kid is an amazing talent.

mrwarden 09-29-2007 09:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Japser17 (Post 10575941)
If you can get him for Eminger, DO IT.

I know it is a high risk move, but it is a risk worth taking IMO. This kid is an amazing talent.

I would agree, but at 2.5 mil (a year) for Zhred I don't see the Caps doing it even if Columbus wanted to deal him, which apparently they don't.

Jasper17 09-29-2007 09:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mrwarden (Post 10575969)
I would agree, but at 2.5 mil (a year) for Zhred I don't see the Caps doing it even if Columbus wanted to deal him, which apparently they don't.

If they were willing to take Clymer's contract as well.

Eminger (1 million)
Clymer (1 million)

for

Zherdev (2.5 million)

And lets not pretend that the Caps don't have a huge hole at the top line RW position.

He's young
He's a fantastic talent
And lets be honest, he is great value for a guy like Eminger.

Assuming the Caps could make a deal like that (and that is a HUGE assumption) I would def like to see them take a chance and do it. The risk is high, but the potential reward is higher.

mrwarden 09-29-2007 09:26 AM

I think we agree it'd be worth doing if it were our team with our money and Columbus agreed to do our bidding...

PSUhockey34 09-29-2007 09:30 AM

Sutherby makes no sense for the BJs, they're overloaded with 3rd and 4th line centers

McPhee has been pretty keen on not bringing in guys that would cause a problems in the locker room and Zherdev seems to be one of those guys...I just don't see him coming to the Caps, kid has talent though

that's not say I wouldn't have a problem with moving Eminger for Zherdev and that I don't think Flash keeps his roster spot all season or couldn't be easily replaced

strungout 09-29-2007 09:36 AM

Zherdev for Eminger makes sense to me...

But I think the Caps believe in Flash as a top six winger so Im not sure they make a move like this....right now. Maybe later if things don't work out.

Jasper17 09-29-2007 09:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mrwarden (Post 10576015)
I think we agree it'd be worth doing if it were our team with our money and Columbus agreed to do our bidding...

oh, don't get me wrong. I don't expect it to happen.

Quote:

Originally Posted by strungout (Post 10576069)
Zherdev for Eminger makes sense to me...

But I think the Caps believe in Flash as a top six winger so Im not sure they make a move like this....right now. Maybe later if things don't work out.

I don't think the Caps believe Flash is a top six winger, just like I don't think the Caps ever really thought Beech was a top 6 center. I think they have no other options, and hope Flash can become a top 6 winger.

strungout 09-29-2007 10:05 AM

Ovechkin - Kozlov - Zherdev
Semin - Nylander - Backstrom
Pettinger - Gordon - Clark

That's an impressive top 9.

Marshall 09-29-2007 10:08 AM

Someone on the main trade board just proposed Zherdev for Alzner or Green and a pick.

Uh, no. To put it mildly.

Biscuit Bullet 09-29-2007 10:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mrwarden (Post 10575867)
First of all, no.

Second of all even he who shall not be deemed a credible source has recanted: http://www.hockeybuzz.com/blog.php?post_id=9729

And there's a lot more here: http://hfboards.com/showthread.php?t=423922

That's a double negative, meaning it's going to happen.

:biglaugh:

Skk82 09-29-2007 10:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EmptyMaybe (Post 10576278)
Someone on the main trade board just proposed Zherdev for Alzner or Green and a pick.

Uh, no. To put it mildly.

True, but to suggest Zherdev could by acquired for two throw-away parts (Eminger + Clymer) is a little ridiculous too.

Judging from the gaping hole of skill centers and overall lack of talent on the BJ's roster, I think if they deal a skill winger, they're going to bring back some skill themselves, not a floundering defensemen and a grinder.

Biscuit Bullet 09-29-2007 10:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PSUhockey34 (Post 10576039)
Sutherby makes no sense for the BJs, they're overloaded with 3rd and 4th line centers

Shhh. They don't know that. Novotny and Beech are offensive dynamos.

The Viking Fury 09-29-2007 12:02 PM

No Zherdev

Drake1588 09-29-2007 12:09 PM

It's Eklund. Anyway, the talk about a changed attitude came in July. Now they have seen him, tried to work with him, and are looking to trade him. The renewed, healthier attitude never showed up. The center experiment failed. This leopard isn't changing his spots.

There is no reward here.

Jasper17 09-29-2007 01:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Johnny Drama (Post 10576485)
True, but to suggest Zherdev could by acquired for two throw-away parts (Eminger + Clymer) is a little ridiculous too.

Judging from the gaping hole of skill centers and overall lack of talent on the BJ's roster, I think if they deal a skill winger, they're going to bring back some skill themselves, not a floundering defensemen and a grinder.

Whats ridiculous is the idea that anyone is going to give up anything for Zherdev. Not only is he an attitude problem, but he isn't exactly cheap either.

Any team that trades for Zherdev is taking a big risk, and because of that they are not going to give up any great asset to get him.

I would be shocked if Columbus could get a top 6 center for him, in fact I would be shocked if they got a 1st rd talent prospect for him.

Drake1588 09-29-2007 01:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Johnny Drama (Post 10576485)
True, but to suggest Zherdev could by acquired for two throw-away parts (Eminger + Clymer) is a little ridiculous too.

Judging from the gaping hole of skill centers and overall lack of talent on the BJ's roster, I think if they deal a skill winger, they're going to bring back some skill themselves, not a floundering defensemen and a grinder.

There is no heavy demand for this player. It's not a question of what a team wants to give up. The question is how many teams out there really want this guy on their roster. I would be very disillusioned if the Caps are one of them, no matter how little he cost in trade.

Columbus management certainly doesn't, and who can blame them? Cancer, thy name is Zherdev.

Devil Dancer 09-29-2007 02:59 PM

This is a guy who got beat out by Beech and Novotny in camp. I'd take him for Eminger straight up, but not for much more than that.

Backstrom #19 09-29-2007 03:06 PM

If Flash fails in the reagular season then i would like this trade, but with the emergence of Flash this trade won't happen.

exwhaler 09-29-2007 03:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Backstrom #19 (Post 10579172)
If Flash fails in the reagular season then i would like this trade, but with the emergence of Flash this trade won't happen.

Even if Flash doesn't do well, this trade won't happen. Instead, Clark will move back to the top line while one of Clymer, Steckel, Laich, or Sutherby moves up next to Pettinger and Gordo. The checkling line may lose a bit of offense, but it'll still work well as a shutdown defensive line.

The nice thing about having depth is that you're not pushed into making desperation trades for guys who could poison the room.

Backstrom #19 09-29-2007 03:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by exwhaler (Post 10579360)
Even if Flash doesn't do well, this trade won't happen. Instead, Clark will move back to the top line while one of Clymer, Steckel, Laich, or Sutherby moves up next to Pettinger and Gordo. The checkling line may lose a bit of offense, but it'll still work well as a shutdown defensive line.

The nice thing about having depth is that you're not pushed into making desperation trades for guys who could poison the room.


Yeah but if the checking line is dominating and we want to keep it together then it might be a possibility.

itsjustsurvival 09-29-2007 04:13 PM

if we can get him for low cost( eminger+things we dont need) then i dont see how it would be that bad. itd be a gamble, but not an expensive one.

Cappy76 09-29-2007 04:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by itsjustsurvival (Post 10579764)
if we can get him for low cost( eminger+things we dont need) then i dont see how it would be that bad. itd be a gamble, but not an expensive one.

The more I think about it the more Im against it....remember the last time we made a gamble on a player and his lockerroom "antics" and thought it be ok....Jagr came here and killed our lockerroom and started this rebuild. So lets stay away from Lockerroom cancers from now on. the system of a tightnit room is working great now and we should just keep it that way unless we know for sure that Olie, Ovie, and Clark and the rest of the team can shape a player up


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