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#37-#93-#27* 01-21-2004 10:41 AM

As it is right now, do you resign the following free agents?
 
If so to what contract.

player name............ 03-04 salary
Matthew Barnaby..... 1587500
Eric Lindros............. 3300000
Joel Bouchard.......... 450000
Anson Carter........... 2800000
Jan Hlavac.............. 1000000
Alexei Kovalev.......... 6600000
Dan Lacouture.......... 612500
Vladimir Malakhov...... 3500000
Jussi Markkanen........ 642500
Boris Mironov............ 1925000
Jed Ortmeyer............ 750000
Dale Purinton............ 550000
Pascal Rheaume........ 600000
Martin Rucinsky........ 1700000
Chris Simon.............. 1500000

http://outsidethegarden.com/salaries.asp

#37-#93-#27* 01-21-2004 10:50 AM

Matthew Barnaby..... absolutely, 3 years/3.6 mil/team option
Eric Lindros............. absolutely, 3 years/16.5 mil
Joel Bouchard.......... insignificant, 1 year/.450k
Anson Carter........... nope
Jan Hlavac.............. nope
Alexei Kovalev.......... absolutely, 3 years/18.5 mil/team option
Dan Lacouture.......... nope
Vladimir Malakhov...... good riddance
Jussi Markkanen........ absolutely, 2 years/1.6 mil/team option
Boris Mironov............ only to my terms, 1 year/1 mil
Jed Ortmeyer............ absolutely, 3 years/2.25 mil
Dale Purinton............ nope
Pascal Rheaume........ nope
Martin Rucinsky........ only to a one year deal, 1 year/2.2 mil
Chris Simon.............. absolutely, 2 year/3.5 mil

Son of Steinbrenner 01-21-2004 10:51 AM

[QUOTE=#37-#93-#27]

player name............ 03-04 salary
Matthew Barnaby..... 1587500 yes
Joel Bouchard.......... 450000 no
Anson Carter........... 2800000 no
Jan Hlavac.............. 1000000 no
Alexei Kovalev.......... 6600000 yes
Dan Lacouture.......... 612500 no
Vladimir Malakhov...... 3500000 no
Jussi Markkanen........ 642500 no
Boris Mironov............ 1925000 yes
Jed Ortmeyer............ 750000 yes
Dale Purinton............ 550000 no
Pascal Rheaume........ 600000 no
Martin Rucinsky........ 1700000 yes
Chris Simon.............. 1500000 yes

King Nothing* 01-21-2004 10:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by #37-#93-#27
If so to what contract.

player name............ 03-04 salary
Matthew Barnaby..... 1587500 (NO)
Joel Bouchard.......... 450000 (NO)
Anson Carter........... 2800000 (NO)
Jan Hlavac.............. 1000000 (NO)
Alexei Kovalev.......... 6600000 (NO)
Dan Lacouture.......... 612500 (YES)
Vladimir Malakhov...... 3500000 (NO)
Jussi Markkanen........ 642500 (YES)
Boris Mironov............ 1925000 (NO)
Jed Ortmeyer............ 750000 (YES)
Dale Purinton............ 550000 (NO)
Pascal Rheaume........ 600000 (NO)
Martin Rucinsky........ 1700000 (NO)
Chris Simon.............. 1500000 (NO)


#37-#93-#27* 01-21-2004 10:56 AM


Why wouldn't you resign Barnaby? He's been the only consistent player this team has had in the last how many years?

Larry Melnyk 01-21-2004 10:59 AM

Out of that group, I resign Jed Ortmeyer and maybe Alex Kovalev (becasue we have absolutley NO talent in the organization that is near ready)..The rest of those gutless, mindless pukes (except for lindros recently) can all go straight to Hades

Larry Melnyk 01-21-2004 11:00 AM

I take that back, maybe Barnaby..Then again hartford is stacked with players that have a ceiling of 3rd/4th line grinder..

Fish 01-21-2004 11:05 AM

I think Markkanen might actually be on a two year contract, or one where the Rangers hold the option for the second year...hard to be sure about these things some times.

The difficulty for the Rangers (and the rest of the NHL) is what to do. You have to figure that the chances are greater that there won't be a hard cap, or at the very least there will be some time to get under it. Philadelphia in particular is stuck with some large amount of contract commitment next season and they're not alone.

The big ticket players are the ones you have to look at first. Kovalev may very well want to go somewhere else after this season anyway...so it may be a moot point. If I'm the Rangers, I'm probably going to try and find a cheaper option first...

Malakhov's stay with the Rangers has been on par with several other high priced veterans. I think he's indicated he might want to go to Russia anyway after this season (may be someone else I'm thinking about), but at any rate, I don't think you want him back.

Mironov, Rucinsky, Barnaby and Simon are tough ones...they're middling players and you'll need replacements for them if you don't resign them, and yet their costs will probably go up. I think you let all 4 become free agents and then try to use the market to drive their cost down.

Carter still has trade value, so you qualify him or try to move him before the end of the season...

Rheaume, Hlavac, Lacouture and potentially Bouchard you let go...although it really depends on your overall defensive depth whether you keep the latter two...neither is going to have a big impact on salary and you can dress or sit them equally

Ortmeyer you re-sign and if you have to sign Markkanen, then you do

BDubinskyNYR17* 01-21-2004 11:13 AM

player name............ 03-04 salary
Matthew Barnaby..... 1587500 (YES 3 year deal)
Eric Lindros............. 3300000 (YES 2 year deal)
Joel Bouchard.......... 450000 (YES 1 year deal)
Anson Carter........... 2800000 (NO Id trade his rights)
Jan Hlavac.............. 1000000 (NO Id trade his rights)
Alexei Kovalev.......... 6600000 (YES 2 year deal)
Dan Lacouture.......... 612500 (YES 2 year deal)
Vladimir Malakhov...... 3500000 (NO WAY)
Jussi Markkanen........ 642500 (YES 3 year deal)
Boris Mironov............ 1925000 (YES but it depends terms of deal)
Jed Ortmeyer............ 750000 (YES 3 year deal)
Dale Purinton............ 550000 (YES 1 year deal)
Pascal Rheaume........ 600000 (YES but it depends on terms of deal)
Martin Rucinsky........ 1700000 (YES 2 year deal)
Chris Simon.............. 1500000 (YES 3 year deal)

#37-#93-#27* 01-21-2004 11:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fish
I think Markkanen might actually be on a two year contract, or one where the Rangers hold the option for the second year...hard to be sure about these things some times.

The difficulty for the Rangers (and the rest of the NHL) is what to do. You have to figure that the chances are greater that there won't be a hard cap, or at the very least there will be some time to get under it. Philadelphia in particular is stuck with some large amount of contract commitment next season and they're not alone.

The big ticket players are the ones you have to look at first. Kovalev may very well want to go somewhere else after this season anyway...so it may be a moot point. If I'm the Rangers, I'm probably going to try and find a cheaper option first...

Malakhov's stay with the Rangers has been on par with several other high priced veterans. I think he's indicated he might want to go to Russia anyway after this season (may be someone else I'm thinking about), but at any rate, I don't think you want him back.

Mironov, Rucinsky, Barnaby and Simon are tough ones...they're middling players and you'll need replacements for them if you don't resign them, and yet their costs will probably go up. I think you let all 4 become free agents and then try to use the market to drive their cost down.

Carter still has trade value, so you qualify him or try to move him before the end of the season...

Rheaume, Hlavac, Lacouture and potentially Bouchard you let go...although it really depends on your overall defensive depth whether you keep the latter two...neither is going to have a big impact on salary and you can dress or sit them equally

Ortmeyer you re-sign and if you have to sign Markkanen, then you do

Is the Ortmeyer contract correct? I was surprised he's getting paid 3/4 of a million dollars in his first year off a try out.

I apologize, I didn't plug the site where I got the numbers from.

Pearl Necklace 01-21-2004 11:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by #37-#93-#27
As it is right now, do you resign the following free agents? If so to what contract.

This post would be more interesting if it could be turned into a poll?
SBOB - any ideas how?

#37-#93-#27* 01-21-2004 11:24 AM

I wasn't sure multiple selections could be made but yea it would be better if possible.

Fish 01-21-2004 11:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by #37-#93-#27
Is the Ortmeyer contract correct? I was surprised he's getting paid 3/4 of a million dollars in his first year off a try out.

I apologize, I didn't plug the site where I got the numbers from.

That's okay, that's the site I run...

I get the numbers from NHLPA.com for the most part, although I have to kind of "guess" on the ongoing lengths and values based on published reports (which are often incorrect). They also don't take into account any kind of bonuses.

MisterUnspoken 01-21-2004 11:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JOrtmeyer41
player name............ 03-04 salary
Matthew Barnaby..... 1587500 (YES 3 year deal)
Eric Lindros............. 3300000 (YES 2 year deal)
Joel Bouchard.......... 450000 (YES 1 year deal)
Anson Carter........... 2800000 (NO Id trade his rights)
Jan Hlavac.............. 1000000 (NO Id trade his rights)
Alexei Kovalev.......... 6600000 (YES 2 year deal)
Dan Lacouture.......... 612500 (YES 2 year deal)
Vladimir Malakhov...... 3500000 (NO WAY)
Jussi Markkanen........ 642500 (YES 3 year deal)
Boris Mironov............ 1925000 (YES but it depends terms of deal)
Jed Ortmeyer............ 750000 (YES 3 year deal)
Dale Purinton............ 550000 (YES 1 year deal)
Pascal Rheaume........ 600000 (YES but it depends on terms of deal)
Martin Rucinsky........ 1700000 (YES 2 year deal)
Chris Simon.............. 1500000 (YES 3 year deal)


disagree on all points... except Ortmeyer, Markannen... I think the best option for the Rangers is to trade away any assetts they have now (vets) to acquire enough young or younger players to fill the gaps and work on developing a farm system
to supply the team with talent for the future

SingnBluesOnBroadway 01-21-2004 11:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JOrtmeyer41
player name............ 03-04 salary
Matthew Barnaby..... 1587500 (YES 3 year deal)
Eric Lindros............. 3300000 (YES 2 year deal)
Joel Bouchard.......... 450000 (YES 1 year deal)
Anson Carter........... 2800000 (NO Id trade his rights)
Jan Hlavac.............. 1000000 (NO Id trade his rights)
Alexei Kovalev.......... 6600000 (YES 2 year deal)
Dan Lacouture.......... 612500 (YES 2 year deal)
Vladimir Malakhov...... 3500000 (NO WAY)
Jussi Markkanen........ 642500 (YES 3 year deal)
Boris Mironov............ 1925000 (YES but it depends terms of deal)
Jed Ortmeyer............ 750000 (YES 3 year deal)
Dale Purinton............ 550000 (YES 1 year deal)
Pascal Rheaume........ 600000 (YES but it depends on terms of deal)
Martin Rucinsky........ 1700000 (YES 2 year deal)
Chris Simon.............. 1500000 (YES 3 year deal)

Yikes.

Barnaby will be 31 in May. Do you really want to be on the hook until he is 34?

Simon is 32. Do you really want to be on the hook until he is 35?

Rucinsky is 32. Do you really want to be on the hook until he is 34?

I need to see a lot more out of Jed Ortmeyer before I give him a 3 year contract.

I let Lacouture go as I have to believe that there is a younger, cheaper, and more hungry kid on the farm that can do what Dan Lac does.

The only two I would keep are Kovalev and Lindros. I would sign Rucinsky to a one year deal.

This team needs to upgrade over Malakhov, Mironov, Bouchard, and Purinton.

Bure9* 01-21-2004 11:43 AM

Carter is the only guy I'd definitely say goodbye to at the end of the season. I really don't think he likes it here. Sather must have hurt his feelings going public with his criticism of his play or something. Most of the other guys should be signed either because they can't be replaced or because they add depth(which we don't have a lot of).

Nedved's contract is also up at the end of the season. Would anybody else like to see Bonk here? Bonk can be inconsistent as well, but at least he's bigger and better defensively than Nedved. It's very possible he could be on the way out.

#37-#93-#27* 01-21-2004 11:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bure9
Carter is the only guy I'd definitely say goodbye to at the end of the season. I really don't think he likes it here. Sather must have hurt his feelings going public with his criticism of his play or something. Most of the other guys should be signed either because they can't be replaced or because they add depth(which we don't have a lot of).

Nedved's contract is also up at the end of the season. Would anybody else like to see Bonk here? Bonk can be inconsistent as well, but at least he's bigger and better defensively than Nedved. It's very possible he could be on the way out.

So you're suggesting we bring back virtually the same team as this year? That doesn't make any sense, this team has already proven to be bad.

True Blue 01-21-2004 12:11 PM

We are in definite need of an upgrade on D. I still maintain that Purinton can be a servicable #6. After that, I think that Leetch, de Vries, & Kasper are fine. So what we really need is a partner for Leetch & someone to play the #5 role.
As for the forwards, I think that both Matty & SImon earned themselves another contract here. Maybe a 2 year deal for both. Kovalev can flourish under the right coach. Ortmeyer can be a fine 3rd line player. I actually would resign Rheume to play 4th line center. Bouchard is more than good enough to play the #6 role as well. Maybe him and Dale serve as 6/7 together.

RGF 01-21-2004 12:23 PM

[QUOTE=#37-#93-#27]If so to what contract.

player name............ 03-04 salary
Matthew Barnaby..... 1587500 (Yes: 2 yrs. 3.2 million)
Eric Lindros............. 3300000 (Yes: 3 yrs. 16 million)
Joel Bouchard.......... 450000 No
Anson Carter........... 2800000 Trade him before you have to worry about FA(hes
not coming back)
Jan Hlavac.............. 1000000 No
Alexei Kovalev.......... 6600000 (Yes: 3 yrs: 15.5 million)
Dan Lacouture.......... 612500 (Yes: good role player, 2 yrs: 2.5)
Vladimir Malakhov...... 3500000 No
Jussi Markkanen........ 642500 (Yes: 3 yrs 6 million)
Boris Mironov............ 1925000 No
Jed Ortmeyer............ 750000 Yes: 3 yrs. 4.5 million and option yr.
Dale Purinton............ 550000 No no room with next yrs picks/prospects coming
Pascal Rheaume........ 600000 No same as purinton
Martin Rucinsky........ 1700000 yes 1 yr 3.2
Chris Simon.............. 1500000 yes 1 yr. 2.0

RGF 01-21-2004 12:30 PM

[QUOTE=RGF]
Quote:

Originally Posted by #37-#93-#27
If so to what contract.

player name............ 03-04 salary
Matthew Barnaby..... 1587500 (Yes: 2 yrs. 3.2 million)
Eric Lindros............. 3300000 (Yes: 3 yrs. 16 million)
Joel Bouchard.......... 450000 No
Anson Carter........... 2800000 Trade him before you have to worry about FA(hes
not coming back)
Jan Hlavac.............. 1000000 No
Alexei Kovalev.......... 6600000 (Yes: 3 yrs: 15.5 million)
Dan Lacouture.......... 612500 (Yes: good role player, 2 yrs: 2.5)
Vladimir Malakhov...... 3500000 No
Jussi Markkanen........ 642500 (Yes: 3 yrs 6 million)
Boris Mironov............ 1925000 No
Jed Ortmeyer............ 750000 Yes: 3 yrs. 4.5 million and option yr.
Dale Purinton............ 550000 No no room with next yrs picks/prospects coming
Pascal Rheaume........ 600000 No same as purinton
Martin Rucinsky........ 1700000 yes 1 yr 3.2 ***
Chris Simon.............. 1500000 yes 1 yr. 2.0

*** i was a little high on rucinsky...i meant 2.2

its time to give ourselves and excuse to see younger players come in...ie thats why u dont see me offering contracts to most of the dmen...maybe dale but hes not that good, id rather see tyutin, lampman, challenge. maybe if we get a stud Dman in the draft let him challenge.

offense keep DLAC i think him and Garth Murray would be great, so them 2 ortmeyer, lundmark, moore, hereema, stals(if he progress some more), wiseman, jessiman, johansen. thats a good young core. (+ whatever we add this yr)

and tyutin should be ready, baranka should come along, and im waiting for JAKE TAYLOR. weve got a couple other interesting dark horses too...

not to mention crabb and walsh.... are prospects are good enough that once theyre out of college we should challenge them...theyre just as good as other teams...and a kid playing in nyc..i think theyd be psyched...we just need some management to let them come together

Fish 01-21-2004 01:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RGF
*** i was a little high on rucinsky...i meant 2.2

its time to give ourselves and excuse to see younger players come in...ie thats why u dont see me offering contracts to most of the dmen...maybe dale but hes not that good, id rather see tyutin, lampman, challenge. maybe if we get a stud Dman in the draft let him challenge.

offense keep DLAC i think him and Garth Murray would be great, so them 2 ortmeyer, lundmark, moore, hereema, stals(if he progress some more), wiseman, jessiman, johansen. thats a good young core. (+ whatever we add this yr)

and tyutin should be ready, baranka should come along, and im waiting for JAKE TAYLOR. weve got a couple other interesting dark horses too...

not to mention crabb and walsh.... are prospects are good enough that once theyre out of college we should challenge them...theyre just as good as other teams...and a kid playing in nyc..i think theyd be psyched...we just need some management to let them come together

As you pointed out, I think that Lampman and Tyutin are both guys that deserve a look at the NHL level, but they're probably not going to be players who make immediate impact. Coming through the system I really like the looks of Guenin (still two more years of NCAA elligibility after this season) and Taylor has steadily improved but still needs some more time I think. At any rate I don't think the latter two will be ready for at least two seasons. Reports on Baranka (I must admit I haven't seen him play) are also inconclusive at this point, and bearing in mind his age (and level of experience) I think it's a lot to expect him to make the NHL at this stage.

Murray still needs to step it up I think to be considered an NHLer. He lost a lot of development time last year wth injuries, though I'm not ready to right him off, he will need to improve his play. Heerema has played with two NHL teams already and I think it's a bit much to expect anything from him (if he does then it's a bonus) while Stals didn't look half as good to me as some thought...he has awful hands.

Even Lundmark needs to get going before you can consider him a core player...you need to be patient no doubt, but it's anything but a guarantee. On the other guys, I have not been that impressed with Walsh (although the Rangers were), yet do like Crabb (he's a little small) and Dawes (likewise).

Undoubtedly there's hope in the system, but I would caution too much excitement because these kids need to improve beyond where they're at to make it to the NHL, in some cases a lot.

Edge 01-21-2004 02:52 PM

I don't understand how you don't at least make a one year offer to Chris Simon.

The guy is the best enforcer this team has in years and probably the only intimidating one since Kocur.

He checks, gets in the opponents heads, hasnt lost a fight yet this season and has even scored.

He's been one of the rangers best players this season and has sparked his linemates no matter where he has played {messier, lindros, etc.}

He's certainly won me over. Guy is on pace for like 15 goals, 30 points and 300 pim.

Having said that, i wouldnt sign him to a 3 or 4 year deal but I'd take the chance with a two or maybe a one year deal with an option for two.

Barnaby 01-21-2004 05:25 PM

player name............ 03-04 salary
Matthew Barnaby..... Yes if reasonable
Eric Lindros............. NO
Joel Bouchard.......... Yes if reasonable... decent #7
Anson Carter........... No, hopefully traded before then
Jan Hlavac.............. NO
Alexei Kovalev.......... Yes if reasonable
Dan Lacouture.......... No, use Wiseman or Murray
Vladimir Malakhov...... No
Jussi Markkanen........ Yes
Boris Mironov............ No
Jed Ortmeyer............ Yes
Dale Purinton............ Yes, if cheap
Pascal Rheaume........ No
Martin Rucinsky........ Yes... hardworking, fast, and should be reasonable
Chris Simon.............. TBD - let's see next few months

Just my 2 cents

Av-merican 01-21-2004 05:53 PM

player name............ 03-04 salary
Matthew Barnaby..... 1587500 Absolutely.
Eric Lindros............. 3300000 Yes, but not at his option. Renegotiate.
Joel Bouchard.......... 450000 NO.
Anson Carter........... 2800000 NO.
Jan Hlavac.............. 1000000 NO NO NO.
Alexei Kovalev.......... 6600000 NO.
Dan Lacouture.......... 612500 nope.
Vladimir Malakhov...... 3500000 A THOUSAND TIMES, NO.
Jussi Markkanen........ 642500 yes.
Boris Mironov............ 1925000 NO.
Jed Ortmeyer............ 750000 YES.
Dale Purinton............ 550000 NO.
Pascal Rheaume........ 600000 NO.
Martin Rucinsky........ 1700000 YES.
Chris Simon.............. 1500000 YES.

But who is this saying 2-3 year deals!? No way, this team is too old as is and the payroll needs to stay flexible. Plus, roster spots need to stay freed up for the prospects.

CarterNYR22 01-21-2004 08:28 PM

Matthew Barnaby..... 1587500 - Yes
Eric Lindros............. 3300000 - No
Joel Bouchard.......... 450000 - No
Anson Carter........... 2800000 - Yes
Jan Hlavac.............. 1000000 - Eh
Alexei Kovalev.......... 6600000 - NO!
Dan Lacouture.......... 612500 - Yes
Vladimir Malakhov...... 3500000 - Eh
Jussi Markkanen........ 642500 - Yes
Boris Mironov............ 1925000 - Yes
Jed Ortmeyer............ 750000 - Yes
Dale Purinton............ 550000 - Yes
Pascal Rheaume........ 600000 - Yes
Martin Rucinsky........ 1700000 - Yes
Chris Simon.............. 1500000 - Yes


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