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onemorecup* 01-22-2004 08:23 AM

go get gonchar
 
if he is on the block like reports say, make the move BG , let`s face it
next year Quintal, Dykhius, and Traverse are gone. Brisebois will have one year left on his deal, if he is resigned after that , he gets max 2 mil a year. We have the package to get him. Hainsey and another prospect or 2 should be enough, they want to trim payroll, we get a top 15 dman, we have depth to make this deal unlike other years. We can sign this guy long term in the 3-4 range, with the new economics . Balej, Pleks and a few others will be a longshot to make our team because we have Higgins, Kasty, and Perez, ahead of these guys . If we pay a portion of Rivet`s contract, plus Hainsey, Pleks and a second pick , it is a fair deal

All-Star 01-22-2004 08:43 AM

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Originally Posted by geeman
if he is on the block like reports say, make the move BG , let`s face it
next year Quintal, Dykhius, and Traverse are gone. Brisebois will have one year left on his deal, if he is resigned after that , he gets max 2 mil a year. We have the package to get him. Hainsey and another prospect or 2 should be enough, they want to trim payroll, we get a top 15 dman, we have depth to make this deal unlike other years. We can sign this guy long term in the 3-4 range, with the new economics . Balej, Pleks and a few others will be a longshot to make our team because we have Higgins, Kasty, and Perez, ahead of these guys . If we pay a portion of Rivet`s contract, plus Hainsey, Pleks and a second pick , it is a fair deal

He's not what this team needs... We already have Souray, Brisebois, and Markov who can anchor the powerplay and carry the puck... If you absolutely need to trade someone, focus on our team's needs, don't waste the few assets we have on players who would only marginally improve the team; this is the Canadiens, not the Rangers...

By the way, Pleks and Balej are much closer to making the Habs than Higs, Kasty, and Perez...

8b 01-22-2004 08:51 AM

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Originally Posted by All-Star
He's not what this team needs... We already have Souray, Brisebois, and Markov who can anchor the powerplay and carry the puck... If you absolutely need to trade someone, focus on our team's needs, don't waste the few assets we have on players who would only marginally improve the team; this is the Canadiens, not the Rangers...

By the way, Pleks and Balej are much closer to making the Habs than Higs, Kasty, and Perez...

Agreed, I really like Gonchar but he isn`t what is needed. And his salary is probably too high... Let me bet: BG will trade to get a right handed center.

Mats NAslund 01-22-2004 09:24 AM

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Originally Posted by All-Star
He's not what this team needs... We already have Souray, Brisebois, and Markov who can anchor the powerplay and carry the puck... If you absolutely need to trade someone, focus on our team's needs, don't waste the few assets we have on players who would only marginally improve the team; this is the Canadiens, not the Rangers...

By the way, Pleks and Balej are much closer to making the Habs than Higs, Kasty, and Perez...


Especially Balej...the kid almost made the team in his first camp a couple of years back, he's put another 15 pounds of muscle and is now stronger and faster then ever. This kid is going to be a solid top 2 liner

onemorecup* 01-22-2004 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Mats NAslund
Especially Balej...the kid almost made the team in his first camp a couple of years back, he's put another 15 pounds of muscle and is now stronger and faster then ever. This kid is going to be a solid top 2 liner

where are these guys going to play , we have too many small finesse guys, sorry folks but Gonchar is better than any skilled dman we have now, and at 28 is near his prime. Sourray will be a 3rd d man next year, not a # 2 like is playing now, he is playing way over his head, he is good but not like this. Gonachar will make our PP
way better, plus then if someone wants to pay large for Markov, we could land that pforward we need. It all comes down to using extra assets to get a top player.
If we all assume that # 11, # 20, # 71, Dagenais stay here how the hell are you going to phase in Pleks and Balej into this lineup , they can`t play 3rd and fourth lines. Then a year or 2 later you have a higgins, kasty, and perez, knocking on the door , you have 9 players of which 6 are pure offense players, they can`t all mesh together, this team won`t sense , all skill no guts except higgins. If we are going to screw around with hainsey`s development , I WOULD MUCH RATHER HAVE
A 50-60 POINT STUD ON D THAN WHAT WE HAVE NOW. No one is going to trade you Doan, Bertuzzi , etcc... you might get a Pyatt type project who may never pan out , DMEN are at a premium these days , we have 10-15 mil of the books next year plus another chunk the year after , Gonchar if the price isn`t stupid would be a great fit here, remember IN THE PLAYOFFS A GOAL HERE EXTRA ON
SPECIAL TEAMS WINS.

Marksman 01-22-2004 10:42 AM

Geeman, has it occurred to you Caps arent dealing Gonchar on his own... they are trying to get rid of Jagr and/or Kolzig, depending which rumour you believe. Sergei Gonchar is being used as a bait here, packaged to make them look more attractive.

I'd definitely like Sergei with Habs, but we just arent on the market for those other players that would come along.

All-Star 01-22-2004 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by geeman
where are these guys going to play , we have too many small finesse guys, sorry folks but Gonchar is better than any skilled dman we have now, and at 28 is near his prime. Sourray will be a 3rd d man next year, not a # 2 like is playing now, he is playing way over his head, he is good but not like this. Gonachar will make our PP
way better, plus then if someone wants to pay large for Markov, we could land that pforward we need. It all comes down to using extra assets to get a top player.
If we all assume that # 11, # 20, # 71, Dagenais stay here how the hell are you going to phase in Pleks and Balej into this lineup , they can`t play 3rd and fourth lines. Then a year or 2 later you have a higgins, kasty, and perez, knocking on the door , you have 9 players of which 6 are pure offense players, they can`t all mesh together, this team won`t sense , all skill no guts except higgins. If we are going to screw around with hainsey`s development , I WOULD MUCH RATHER HAVE
A 50-60 POINT STUD ON D THAN WHAT WE HAVE NOW. No one is going to trade you Doan, Bertuzzi , etcc... you might get a Pyatt type project who may never pan out , DMEN are at a premium these days , we have 10-15 mil of the books next year plus another chunk the year after , Gonchar if the price isn`t stupid would be a great fit here, remember IN THE PLAYOFFS A GOAL HERE EXTRA ON
SPECIAL TEAMS WINS.

Gonchar without Jagr and Lang in front of him would lose alot of points... On our team with its Defence first mentality, Gonchar would become another Brisebois (last year's edition).

Pleks can centre the 4th line next year or the year after, he plays an energy game, plus he's responsible defensively. Begin and Ward will be on the 3rd, so Plecks and Gratton will be on the 4th. Balej will replace Dagenais as soon as Dagenais goes cold. If Dagenais isn't scoring he's absolutely useless (press box or waivers).

I think that Zednik will be expendable in a few years, and so will Sundstrom. Traded together they could get us a nice asset (a solid 2nd pair RD to play with Markov), plus it does open up two LW positions for Higgins and Kastitsyn. That leaves Perezhogin... He'll be competing with Ryder, Balej, Ward, and Gratton. If he's good enough, I'm sure the team will dump Gratton, move Ward back to the 4th and Ryder to the 3rd...

The team will look like:

Kastitsyn Koivu Balej
Higgins Ribeiro Perezhogin
Bulis Begin Ryder
Hossa Plekanec Ward
goon

Souray Komisarek
Markov New RD
Hainsey Rivet
Beauchemin (or Bouillon)

Of course this scenario assumes that all those prospects make it which is unrealistic.

The bottom line is the team doesn't need to trade away prospects or picks to get Gonchar because we just won't need him.

pup 01-22-2004 11:36 AM

[QUOTE=All-Star]

The team will look like:

Kastitsyn Koivu Balej
Higgins Ribeiro Perezhogin


What a BRUTAL top 6 you got there.
Where are they going to play,in a league with no checking???????????????
UNBELEIVEABLE :lol: :lol:

Habs4ever 01-22-2004 11:44 AM

Gonchar is UFA next year why would habs need Gonchar
 
If he's here for picnic and considering we already have very talented offensive defncemen in Markov, Souray, Briseboise why would we need yet another one dimensional player, did you look at his +/- rating and his salary, from all perspective its the worst move imaginable BG could make at this point, We are this good without Markov, Imagine how much we improve once he arrives, Markov has potential to be just as good so why bring in rent a player and disrupt rebuilding plan, we are young team on wayup why change the course now, we need big Centre and thats it, stop demanding trade from management BG ain't fool he'll make moves when he improves club for long time not the half a season that is left.

All-Star 01-22-2004 12:09 PM

[QUOTE=pup]
Quote:

Originally Posted by All-Star

The team will look like:

Kastitsyn Koivu Balej
Higgins Ribeiro Perezhogin


What a BRUTAL top 6 you got there.
Where are they going to play,in a league with no checking???????????????
UNBELEIVEABLE :lol: :lol:

Well he wanted to fit all three prospects on the top two lines, so I showed him how it can be done. By the way Koivu, Higgins and supposedly Kastitsyn can hold their own on the ice. And it's not like we have any power forwards now either, and were doing fine. Now you can crall back under your rock...

Marksman 01-22-2004 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Habs4ever
If he's here for picnic and considering we already have very talented offensive defncemen in Markov, Souray, Briseboise why would we need yet another one dimensional player, did you look at his +/- rating and his salary, from all perspective its the worst move imaginable BG could make at this point, We are this good without Markov, Imagine how much we improve once he arrives, Markov has potential to be just as good so why bring in rent a player and disrupt rebuilding plan, we are young team on wayup why change the course now, we need big Centre and thats it, stop demanding trade from management BG ain't fool he'll make moves when he improves club for long time not the half a season that is left.

I would advice you to take his plusminus figure with a grain of salt, as usual. Look what kind of numbers hes had before this season, see the difference? The problems
they have got nothing to do Gonchar being one dimensional or bad defensively, and everything to do whats happening with Caps nowadays (Leadership void - bad coaching - Jagr's ego).


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