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Souffle 01-28-2004 08:40 PM

Chris Gratton: Value? Available?
 
Title says it all.

Is he available, and if so, at what price? What would Phoenix want from the Habs, in particular?

Bonus Questions: what is his contract and salary, and how has he been playing this year?

wasting time 01-28-2004 08:47 PM

Give him another jersey. What the hell. He'll have a great collection for his grand kids.

Sundin13 01-28-2004 08:49 PM

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Originally Posted by davedave
Title says it all.

Is he available, and if so, at what price? What would Phoenix want from the Habs, in particular?

Bonus Questions: what is his contract and salary, and how has he been playing this year?

I am sure that Gratton is available, there has to be a good offer to move him though. He has struggled this year in Phoenix and so far he is not living up to his expectations.

His salary is $2,200,000 per annum and I am not really sure about the length.

Gratton so far in 49 games, managed to notch 6 goals and 9 assists for a total of 15 points. He's on pace for 25 points, his lowest in his career (when played more than 27 games)

Cerebral 01-28-2004 09:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Sundin13
I am sure that Gratton is available, there has to be a good offer to move him though.

I don't think it would take much to get Gratton out of Phoenix.. he has definitely been a disapointment this season and his giant salary (for a player his stature at least) lower his trade value a lot. I doubt Phoenix will get back near as much as they gave away (Briere).

Souffle 01-28-2004 09:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Sundin13
I am sure that Gratton is available, there has to be a good offer to move him though. He has struggled this year in Phoenix and so far he is not living up to his expectations.

His salary is $2,200,000 per annum and I am not really sure about the length.

Gratton so far in 49 games, managed to notch 6 goals and 9 assists for a total of 15 points. He's on pace for 25 points, his lowest in his career (when played more than 27 games)

Hmmm. I noticed the poor stats, but considered that he might be playing well in other areas.

It's really about finding a big physical forward who is affordable yet competent in a checking role. Obviously these players are very hard to find. From a Habs POV, O'Neill, Peca or Arnott would be very nice, but it's hard to imagine a realistic deal involving any of these players.

2 million + seems a little expensive, but he has played well in the past, especially in the Eastern conference. Ideally, Phoenix would be looking to dump him and his salary, perhaps for a rental and a decent draft pick. But Phoenix fans might think otherwise.

not quite yoda 01-28-2004 09:08 PM

He's big, He's slow, he's overated, he's expensive, he has disapointed with a new team yet again. Why would the Canadiens -or any other team except for Springfield- want him?

(He's lefty too.)

Wingboy2999 01-28-2004 09:09 PM

Could Detroit be interested? He might be too expensive though. I know we all wanted Wiemer when he was available but I am not too sure if Gratton is still as nasty as he used to be or what. Any other Detroit fans that can chime in?

ParisSaintGermain 01-28-2004 09:13 PM

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Originally Posted by davedave
Hmmm. I noticed the poor stats, but considered that he might be playing well in other areas.

It's really about finding a big physical forward who is affordable yet competent in a checking role. Obviously these players are very hard to find. From a Habs POV, O'Neill, Peca or Arnott would be very nice, but it's hard to imagine a realistic deal involving any of these players.

2 million + seems a little expensive, but he has played well in the past, especially in the Eastern conference. Ideally, Phoenix would be looking to dump him and his salary, perhaps for a rental and a decent draft pick. But Phoenix fans might think otherwise.

I don't think it would take too much to get him and Montreal could be a better fit for him to bounce back after what is really a disappointing season. What kind of prospects do you think Montreal could offer?

Takeo 01-28-2004 09:19 PM

How 'bout Briere for Gratton! :joker:

Souffle 01-28-2004 09:26 PM

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Originally Posted by ParisSaintGermain
I don't think it would take too much to get him and Montreal could be a better fit for him to bounce back after what is really a disappointing season. What kind of prospects do you think Montreal could offer?

It really depends on the length of his contract. The best-case scenario would be if he's RFA, so that the teams could work out a conditional draft pick/minor prospect kind of deal. Also, Montreal could just walk away if he continues to disappoint.

As badly as Montreal needs some size and strength, especially down the middle, several years of Gratton at 2.2 million is just too much, especially at the cost of a good prospect.

But he's still probably the cheapest option for the Habs if they are desperate enough to get bigger to compete against the tough Eastern conference teams.

ParisSaintGermain 01-28-2004 09:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Takeo21
How 'bout Briere for Gratton! :joker:

With or without the draft pick?? :joker:

Marc the Habs Fan 01-28-2004 09:36 PM

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Originally Posted by ParisSaintGermain
With or without the draft pick?? :joker:


Man that trade...wow I still can't believe it..what was Phoenix thinking...add the upgrade in picks for Buffalo... :eek:

Takeo 01-28-2004 09:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Marc the Habs Fan
Man that trade...wow I still can't believe it..what was Phoenix thinking...add the upgrade in picks for Buffalo... :eek:

It's trades like these that legitimize Regier as a GM, for better or for worse.

GKJ 01-29-2004 12:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Cerebral
I doubt Phoenix will get back near as much as they gave away (Briere).

That was a stupid trade to begin with.


Gratton isn't going to get much in return. At best you'll have to give up a good 4th liner and a mid-level prospect. That's being generous.

PhoPhan 01-29-2004 01:36 AM

Let me chime in on this. The number of goals Briere scores, he undoubtedly causes at the other end. Gratton may never put up numbers like Briere, but he is playing excellently in his own end (exceeding expectations in that respect). In the offensive department, everyone knows he has the potential, but it is becoming more and more apparent that he will probably never realize his offensive potential. What the Coyotes wanted from him was a defensively responsible 3rd line center, and that's what they've received. Briere can only be utilized effectively when given a whole lot of minutes, and frankly, the Coyotes were not willing to give him that. He is obviously doing well for himself in Buffalo, but how have the Sabres as a team been? I know the Coyotes have improved since Danny's departure.

hbk 01-29-2004 01:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Marc the Habs Fan
Man that trade...wow I still can't believe it..what was Phoenix thinking...add the upgrade in picks for Buffalo... :eek:

actually, for the most part Phoenix fans are happy with the way Gratton has performed this year. Only complaint is he has had brief periods where he looks disinterested.

As for the trade, the acquisition made Phoenix a better team. Let's face it everyone knew that Briere was going to blow Gratton's production out of the water. However, Briere could not cut it at center in Phoenix and as a result he was primarily a PP specialist. They really wanted to put him on the wing but they needed depth at center (Daymond Langkow and??? at the time - keep in mind that Sillinger and Hrdina came after the Briere trade). They were also in desperate need of some size down the middle. Gratton made sense and has been a good fit. In fact, I'd do the deal again today from Phoenix's end. Briere was not working out and there weren't a lot of teams beating down the door to acquire a soft, skilled player. I'm happy Briere's working out for Buffalo but there were reasons from Phoenix's end to make a deal.

Hextall27 01-29-2004 02:09 AM

To say that Gratton is a physical forward is a joke. Once in awhile he fights, most of his PIM are stupid penaltys, high sticks, slashes, etc. The man has publicly said he is unwilling to go into traffic or pay the physical price to score. Briere is playing well in Buffalo and despite his small stature will pay the price to put one in. His +/- is abismal. Gratton will win faceoffs and as a person he 's friendly with the media and an ok dude. But on the ice isnt worth as previously thought. I'd give a 3rd rounder

Kimahri 01-29-2004 02:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Hextall27
To say that Gratton is a physical forward is a joke. Once in awhile he fights, most of his PIM are stupid penaltys, high sticks, slashes, etc. The man has publicly said he is unwilling to go into traffic or pay the physical price to score. Briere is playing well in Buffalo and despite his small stature will pay the price to put one in. His +/- is abismal. Gratton will win faceoffs and as a person he 's friendly with the media and an ok dude. But on the ice isnt worth as previously thought. I'd give a 3rd rounder

Hmm.....Thats funny because Gratton is one of Phoenix's most physical forwards, and he sticks up for his teamates. :dunno:

Wingboy2999 01-29-2004 02:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Kimahri
Hmm.....Thats funny because Gratton is one of Phoenix's most physical forwards, and he sticks up for his teamates. :dunno:

He is what Detroit needs....

Ruckus007 01-29-2004 02:32 AM

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Originally Posted by hbk
Briere was not working out and there weren't a lot of teams beating down the door to acquire a soft, skilled player.

It's not just that Briere is putting up decent scoring numbers (which for Buffalo means he's a top flight offensive threat :cry: ) but he's been so much more. He may have been soft in Phoenix (I don't know if he was or wasn't) but he hasn't been in Buffalo. He regularly goes to the net and the corners. He plays 100% and he's been more physical than Gratton ever was in Buffalo. The Sabres got better in every aspect of this trade except for face offs, and I can live with that.

Winston Wolf 01-29-2004 02:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Wingboy2999
He is what Detroit needs....

Not really. No team really "needs" Chris Gratton.

XX 01-29-2004 04:15 AM

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Originally Posted by flyers guy
Not really. No team really "needs" Chris Gratton.

Yeah, but its those final little pieces that complete the puzzle for a cup run.

TVanek26* 01-29-2004 04:45 AM

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Originally Posted by PhoPhan
Let me chime in on this. The number of goals Briere scores, he undoubtedly causes at the other end. Gratton may never put up numbers like Briere, but he is playing excellently in his own end (exceeding expectations in that respect). In the offensive department, everyone knows he has the potential, but it is becoming more and more apparent that he will probably never realize his offensive potential. What the Coyotes wanted from him was a defensively responsible 3rd line center, and that's what they've received. Briere can only be utilized effectively when given a whole lot of minutes, and frankly, the Coyotes were not willing to give him that. He is obviously doing well for himself in Buffalo, but how have the Sabres as a team been? I know the Coyotes have improved since Danny's departure.


And that is where you're wrong.Buffalo has improved offensively, and Briere has been great for us.Scoring timely goals,playing on the Penalty Kill even.I never see the defensive lapses that Briere (and also Delmore) cause with their former clubs.Maybe it was because of his linemates :eek: Briere has been average defensively, yet 10 X better then Gratton offensively.

Ruckus007 01-29-2004 05:00 AM

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Originally Posted by PhoPhan
Let me chime in on this. The number of goals Briere scores, he undoubtedly causes at the other end.


Briere has made some mind-bogglingly bad decisions in is own end but they have been few and far between. He does not cause more than he gets, not even close and to be frank, most of the time he's on the ice the Sabres are in the offensive zone.

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Originally Posted by PhoPhan
He is obviously doing well for himself in Buffalo, but how have the Sabres as a team been? I know the Coyotes have improved since Danny's departure.

They're a better team with Briere than they were with Gratton.

kenabnrmal 01-29-2004 05:06 AM

Well, it sounds like both teams got what they wanted out of the deal, so quit bickering. The Yotes wanted more size and strength down the middle and a guy that would pay attention to his own zone, and they got it in Gratton. It doesn't make a bit of difference to the Yotes how well Briere is playing in his own end in Buffalo, in Phoenix he was just putrid. The Sabres wanted someone to provide some offense and give the team a spark. They got it. Gratton will never be a offensive threat again in his career, I'll wager. He'll be a solid third line center, just as he's been in Phoenix. Is he availiable? Hell yeah, for the right price a $2 million third line center will always be availiable in Phoenix. Is Gratton as bad as the Sabres and Flyers fans on this thread suggest? He hasn't been this season. Would the Yotes give him away for next to nothing? Not bloody likely.


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