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stick9 02-21-2008 09:14 AM

Nike sale of Bauer complete
 
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Nike Inc. (NKE) agreed to sell its Bauer Hockey unit to an investment group led by Kohlberg & Co. and Canadian businessman W. Graeme Roustan for $200 million.
Taken from another site (modsquadhockey.com). I will try to dig up an official link.

http://online.wsj.com/article/BT-CO-...?mod=wsjcrmain

frito 02-21-2008 09:20 AM

Yeah! now maybe RBK will sell CCM et. al.

vivianmb 02-21-2008 09:57 AM

good riddance nike... a step in the right direction.

stick9 02-21-2008 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by vivianmb (Post 12635850)
good riddance nike... a step in the right direction.

Meh....to early to say. Nike gave Bauer a vast amount of capital to draw from for research and development and a marketing dept that knew how to market products in the sports industry.

Lets see what this firm has in store for Bauer before we call it a step in the right direction.

Personally, I think Bauer loses. Nike was and is very successful at designing top notch footwear. Nice to have all that info to draw on when designing skates. Let's not forget, Bauer's greatest products have come under Nike's watch.

Time will tell.

stickglovesshirt* 02-21-2008 11:57 AM

heres the full press release in the pic. its a good read. pretty long..
save the pic, then open it in a picture viewer to zoom, etc

http://i213.photobucket.com/albums/c...th_NB-SOLD.gif

Heat McManus 02-21-2008 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by vivianmb (Post 12635850)
good riddance nike... a step in the right direction.

What exactly are we bidding good riddance to? Nike Bauer makes most of the best product on the market. The money Nike put into r&d is incredible. Granted, their graphics might be flashy, but who in the market right now is not? Their skates are worn by the majority of professional players and they are gaining ground on Easton in the stick department. While Rbk makes the best protective equipment NBH does an excellent job as well.

Are you one of those people who bypassed an incredible product because you couldn't bear the thought of a "swoosh" on your equipment?

Nike left Bauer largely untouched and made an alternative "Nike" line. Just a couple years ago did they integrate their lines into Nike Bauer.

So, yes, good riddance to large amounts of money that yield quicker developments and better performance at the cost of flashier graphics!

Bring back moisture absorbing 12 lb leather skates as long as they are black!

vivianmb 02-21-2008 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by stick9 (Post 12636938)
Meh....to early to say. Nike gave Bauer a vast amount of capital to draw from for research and development and a marketing dept that knew how to market products in the sports industry.

Lets see what this firm has in store for Bauer before we call it a step in the right direction.

Personally, I think Bauer loses. Nike was and is very successful at designing top notch footwear. Nice to have all that info to draw on when designing skates. Let's not forget, Bauer's greatest products have come under Nike's watch.

Time will tell.

bauer supreme line has been around since i can remember. that is their greatest product imho.how high have prices gone since the swoosh ( and others ) have entered the picture?

Henrique Iglesias 02-21-2008 02:12 PM

What now, are they going to change their name or something?

stick9 02-21-2008 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by vivianmb (Post 12640824)
bauer supreme line has been around since i can remember. that is their greatest product imho.how high have prices gone since the swoosh ( and others ) have entered the picture?

The Supreme line is just a name. Give me a Bauer product pre-Nike that has had a bigger impact on the market then the One90 skate and stick, the One95 skate, the Vapor xxx-lite stick, the Vapor xxx and xxxx skate. All of which have come under Nike's rule.

Prices are all relative. You can't expect them to charge the same amount for high skates today that they charged 20 years ago.

All this aside. Had Nike not bought Bauer. Bauer would no longer exist.

stick9 02-21-2008 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Devils9789 (Post 12640886)
What now, are they going to change their name or something?

New products will carry only the Bauer name. Existing products will carry the Nike/Bauer name for another two years.

Harv 02-21-2008 03:09 PM

Thank god. I'm so sick of saying NikeBauer.

kingpest19 02-21-2008 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by stick9 (Post 12641617)
The Supreme line is just a name. Give me a Bauer product pre-Nike that has had a bigger impact on the market then the One90 skate and stick, the One95 skate, the Vapor xxx-lite stick, the Vapor xxx and xxxx skate. All of which have come under Nike's rule.

Prices are all relative. You can't expect them to charge the same amount for high skates today that they charged 20 years ago.

All this aside. Had Nike not bought Bauer. Bauer would no longer exist.

So because Nike tweaked an already existing product in composite sticks it makes it an impact product? Ill give them their due on the One series of skates but other than that its all marketing and hype.

stick9 02-21-2008 04:33 PM

Let me ask this. If Nike has been bad for Bauer how good will a non-hockey company be for them?

At least with Nike they were sporting goods company with a reputation for making pro level shoes and apparel. They had a background in the sporting goods industry.

Curious to hear some replies.

kingpest19 02-21-2008 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by stick9 (Post 12643471)
Let me ask this. If Nike has been bad for Bauer how good will a non-hockey company be for them?

At least with Nike they were sporting goods company with a reputation for making pro level shoes and apparel. They had a background in the sporting goods industry.

Curious to hear some replies.

Theres a big difference between making shoes and making hockey equipment. While they werent bad they werent that good either. QC and dependability have gone down while prices have gone up. Look up Roustan and you will see he has some hockey background. Its not like its just some company that has no idea.

Heat McManus 02-21-2008 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by kingpest19 (Post 12643556)
Theres a big difference between making shoes and making hockey equipment. While they werent bad they werent that good either. QC and dependability have gone down while prices have gone up. Look up Roustan and you will see he has some hockey background. Its not like its just some company that has no idea.

Many of the issues people have with Nike Bauer are trends that have been evolving in the entire industry and will not change just because Nike sold Bauer. Nike had some bad ideas, but the money they brought to Bauer's r&d cannot be underestimated. They could have gotten rid of all of Bauer's engineers the minute they bought the company, but they kept Bauer as a separate line and financed them.

Was the V12 a horrible skate? Horrible elbow/shoulder pads? The Supreme elbow/shin/shoulder pads which people rave so much about now are basically Nike products.

Just because the guy has some background in hockey does not mean he knows the first thing about designing skates and equipment. I hope he does, but it's not a pre-requisite. The smartest thing anybody could do is to say, "Good job, keep it up!" and let the internal structure stay the same, and write the checks.

kingpest19 02-21-2008 08:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Vakar Lajos (Post 12643907)
Many of the issues people have with Nike Bauer are trends that have been evolving in the entire industry and will not change just because Nike sold Bauer. Nike had some bad ideas, but the money they brought to Bauer's r&d cannot be underestimated. They could have gotten rid of all of Bauer's engineers the minute they bought the company, but they kept Bauer as a separate line and financed them.

Was the V12 a horrible skate? Horrible elbow/shoulder pads? The Supreme elbow/shin/shoulder pads which people rave so much about now are basically Nike products.

Just because the guy has some background in hockey does not mean he knows the first thing about designing skates and equipment. I hope he does, but it's not a pre-requisite. The smartest thing anybody could do is to say, "Good job, keep it up!" and let the internal structure stay the same, and write the checks.

I realize how much R&D money Nike provided. To me their early years of trying to make equipment that flat out didnt cut the mustard so to speak caused them alot of problems. Its only been the last few years that theyve finally started to make decent products but QC and the way their top end stuff is made isnt all that great.

With the Supreme line its what alot of people grew up with and are comfortable with. NOw the top end Suprmere stuff is a mix of of Nike and Bauer designs. My equipment that is Bauer is all pre NBH. And the only reason Ill purchase anything with NBH on it now or Bauer in the future is for elbow pads because they are the only company that makes a pair that im comfortable with.

I dont see the new ownership coming in and changing anything except maybe the R&D budget but who knows. The only reason I brought it up that the guy has experience with hockey is that stick 9 had said the group was non hockey. Well so was Nike. In 95 they werent manufacturing much but shoes.

RobertKron 02-21-2008 09:38 PM

Weren't a lot of the non-skate, pre-nike, great products (4000 helmet, techniflex, sbd shoulder pads, SP___ shoulders, etc) just Cooper products that got carried over when they got eaten up by Bauer, anyway?

Mancini0518 02-21-2008 09:50 PM

the old Bauer vapor's are still the best skates i have ever used

RobertKron 02-21-2008 10:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Mancini0518 (Post 12652518)
the old Bauer vapor's are still the best skates i have ever used

Didn't those come out well after Nike bought Canstar?

Redden Hogalot* 02-21-2008 10:01 PM

Now all my equipment will be considered old.

Heat McManus 02-21-2008 10:15 PM

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Originally Posted by MW (Post 12652809)
Didn't those come out well after Nike bought Canstar?

All Vapors came out after Nike purchased Bauer.

kingpest19 02-22-2008 12:53 AM

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Originally Posted by MW (Post 12652091)
Weren't a lot of the non-skate, pre-nike, great products (4000 helmet, techniflex, sbd shoulder pads, SP___ shoulders, etc) just Cooper products that got carried over when they got eaten up by Bauer, anyway?

Yeah they were. Its exactly why you still some form of all those products still in the NBH lineup. NBH pro shoulders are an updated version that unless you are lucky to know some, have the cash to get them shipped over from Europe orfind one of the very few pairs in the States youre out of luck. For some reason the dont offer the pro shoulders or elbows here in NA.
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Originally Posted by MW (Post 12652809)
Didn't those come out well after Nike bought Canstar?

Nike buying Canstar got rid of a few lines. Cooper ,Flak, Micron. Micron 10-90s were considered by some to be the best skates across the board. Sucked to see those things go bye bye.

Metallian* 02-22-2008 01:03 AM

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Originally Posted by kingpest19 (Post 12643556)
Theres a big difference between making shoes and making hockey equipment.

you make it sound like they brought the people from their shoe department over to run the hockey division; laying off all the hockey people from Bauer after they bought it :rolleyes:

RobertKron 02-22-2008 02:02 AM

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Originally Posted by kingpest19 (Post 12655317)
Nike buying Canstar got rid of a few lines. Cooper ,Flak, Micron. Micron 10-90s were considered by some to be the best skates across the board. Sucked to see those things go bye bye.

Didn't most of the worthwhile Cooper stuff end up getting eaten up by Bauer, as we mentioned, and the Mega/Microns, or at least the Air 90/70/etc, ended up as Bauer Airs for a little while?

What I meant, though, was that the "old Bauer Vapors" were really a product that came out when Bauer was under Nike's control.

Urgh. I missed out on a set of near-new Mega Air 90s on ebay the other day due to shipping restrictions. Me no happy.

stick9 02-22-2008 07:49 AM

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Originally Posted by kingpest19 (Post 12649847)
I realize how much R&D money Nike provided. To me their early years of trying to make equipment that flat out didnt cut the mustard so to speak caused them alot of problems. Its only been the last few years that theyve finally started to make decent products but QC and the way their top end stuff is made isnt all that great.

With the Supreme line its what alot of people grew up with and are comfortable with. NOw the top end Suprmere stuff is a mix of of Nike and Bauer designs. My equipment that is Bauer is all pre NBH. And the only reason Ill purchase anything with NBH on it now or Bauer in the future is for elbow pads because they are the only company that makes a pair that im comfortable with.

I dont see the new ownership coming in and changing anything except maybe the R&D budget but who knows. The only reason I brought it up that the guy has experience with hockey is that stick 9 had said the group was non hockey. Well so was Nike. In 95 they werent manufacturing much but shoes.

True, but I've stated many times that Nike was also not a hockey company, but rather an experienced sporting goods company.

If you don't see them changing anything other then the R&D budget. Then is this good move? If that truly is the case then Bauer will continue operate like it did under Nike's just without the swoosh. So it's a lateral move.

Honestly, I think too many people are hung up companies like Nike and Reebok being in the hockey business. I've owned Nike gear...still use a pair of Nike shin pads. I never any complaints with any of the Nike gear I owned. I'll admit I was skeptical at first when I tried on a pair of RBK skates. They turned out to be the best skate I've ever owned. I shelfed my Graf 703's for them.


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