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Beakermania* 03-07-2008 04:50 PM

2008 Draft Talk Part 2
 
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Mue 03-07-2008 05:00 PM

Can anyone tell me a bit about Stefanovich?

A lot of Habs fans see to be pretty high on him and I'm wondering if it mostly because he is from Belarus?

SOLR 03-07-2008 06:06 PM

It's not, hes a big(6,2 210lbs+) RW with a right shot, plus hes a shoot first kind of guy. I would have a much better feeling about a AK-SK-Stefa than SK-Grabo-AK line, far more dominant. Bigger bodies, more skill.

Mue 03-07-2008 06:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SOLR (Post 12971897)
It's not, hes a big(6,2 210lbs+) RW with a right shot, plus hes a shoot first kind of guy. I would have a much better feeling about a AK-SK-Stefa than SK-Grabo-AK line, far more dominant. Bigger bodies, more skill.


Do you think he will still be around in the late first round?

SOLR 03-07-2008 06:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mue (Post 12971912)
Do you think he will still be around in the late first round?

Its a possibility, but hes the kind of guy that could go early based on needs.(Scoring)

guest1467 03-07-2008 06:39 PM

I tend to think that the Habs are going to draft a goalie in the early rounds, they are getting pretty bone dry in that department. Has anyone seen these guys play? If so, could you share a little report on them?

1 PICKARD, CHET WHL TRI-CITY 11/29/1989 6' 2" 210 G L 30 1746 2.65 0 0.907
2 DELMAS, PETER QMJHL LEWISTON 2/16/1990 6' 1.75" 169 G L 22 1259 2.72 0 0.907
3 MCCOLLUM, THOMAS OHL GUELPH 12/7/1989 6' 1.75" 205 G L 24 1387 2.55 3 0.912
4 POULIN, KEVIN QMJHL VICTORIAVILLE 4/12/1990 6' 2" 210 G L 27 1365 3.78 0 0.892
5 CARROZZI, CHRIS OHL MISSISSAUGA 3/2/1990 6' 2.75" 185 G L 22 1132 2.6 1 0.913
6 DESERRES, JACOB WHL SEATTLE 3/18/1990 6' 1.5" 195 G L 13 768 2.11 1 0.926
7 COUSINEAU, MARCO QMJHL BAIE-COMEAU 11/9/1989 6' 0" 195 G L 30 1700 2.54 4 0.91
8 BESKOROWANY, TYLER OHL OWEN SOUND 4/28/1990 6' 4" 203 G L 13 786 3.51 0 0.911
9 HOLTBY, BRANDEN WHL SASKATOON 9/16/1989 6' 1" 205 G L 31 1650 3.02 0 0.906
10 KILLEEN, PATRICK OHL BRAMPTON 4/15/1990 6' 4" 194 G L 15 910 3.3 1 0.898

kernkraft 03-07-2008 07:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by buddahsmoka1 (Post 12972336)
I tend to think that the Habs are going to draft a goalie in the early rounds, they are getting pretty bone dry in that department. Has anyone seen these guys play? If so, could you share a little report on them?

1 PICKARD, CHET WHL TRI-CITY 11/29/1989 6' 2" 210 G L 30 1746 2.65 0 0.907
2 DELMAS, PETER QMJHL LEWISTON 2/16/1990 6' 1.75" 169 G L 22 1259 2.72 0 0.907
3 MCCOLLUM, THOMAS OHL GUELPH 12/7/1989 6' 1.75" 205 G L 24 1387 2.55 3 0.912
4 POULIN, KEVIN QMJHL VICTORIAVILLE 4/12/1990 6' 2" 210 G L 27 1365 3.78 0 0.892
5 CARROZZI, CHRIS OHL MISSISSAUGA 3/2/1990 6' 2.75" 185 G L 22 1132 2.6 1 0.913
6 DESERRES, JACOB WHL SEATTLE 3/18/1990 6' 1.5" 195 G L 13 768 2.11 1 0.926
7 COUSINEAU, MARCO QMJHL BAIE-COMEAU 11/9/1989 6' 0" 195 G L 30 1700 2.54 4 0.91
8 BESKOROWANY, TYLER OHL OWEN SOUND 4/28/1990 6' 4" 203 G L 13 786 3.51 0 0.911
9 HOLTBY, BRANDEN WHL SASKATOON 9/16/1989 6' 1" 205 G L 31 1650 3.02 0 0.906
10 KILLEEN, PATRICK OHL BRAMPTON 4/15/1990 6' 4" 194 G L 15 910 3.3 1 0.898

Price, Halak, Danis, Desjardins. I doubt we'll be getting a goalie when we're so low on centers. Maybe in the 6th or 7th round.

bopeep 03-07-2008 07:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by buddahsmoka1 (Post 12972336)
I tend to think that the Habs are going to draft a goalie in the early rounds, they are getting pretty bone dry in that department. Has anyone seen these guys play? If so, could you share a little report on them?

1 PICKARD, CHET WHL TRI-CITY 11/29/1989 6' 2" 210 G L 30 1746 2.65 0 0.907
2 DELMAS, PETER QMJHL LEWISTON 2/16/1990 6' 1.75" 169 G L 22 1259 2.72 0 0.907
3 MCCOLLUM, THOMAS OHL GUELPH 12/7/1989 6' 1.75" 205 G L 24 1387 2.55 3 0.912
4 POULIN, KEVIN QMJHL VICTORIAVILLE 4/12/1990 6' 2" 210 G L 27 1365 3.78 0 0.892
5 CARROZZI, CHRIS OHL MISSISSAUGA 3/2/1990 6' 2.75" 185 G L 22 1132 2.6 1 0.913
6 DESERRES, JACOB WHL SEATTLE 3/18/1990 6' 1.5" 195 G L 13 768 2.11 1 0.926
7 COUSINEAU, MARCO QMJHL BAIE-COMEAU 11/9/1989 6' 0" 195 G L 30 1700 2.54 4 0.91
8 BESKOROWANY, TYLER OHL OWEN SOUND 4/28/1990 6' 4" 203 G L 13 786 3.51 0 0.911
9 HOLTBY, BRANDEN WHL SASKATOON 9/16/1989 6' 1" 205 G L 31 1650 3.02 0 0.906
10 KILLEEN, PATRICK OHL BRAMPTON 4/15/1990 6' 4" 194 G L 15 910 3.3 1 0.898

Personally, I am thinking mid to later rounds for a keeper would be ideal. No need to part with any early pick as our future has already been cast,

guest1467 03-07-2008 07:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kernkraft (Post 12972657)
Price, Halak, Danis, Desjardins. I doubt we'll be getting a goalie when we're so low on centers. Maybe in the 6th or 7th round.

Danis could be gone next year. That leaves us with Desjardins and Lacasse to fill out our minor teams. Not only do we need more depth, we need to get another solid potential NHLer goaltender in our system. Do you remember how much depth we had when we drafted Price? We have half as much now.

Duff88 03-07-2008 07:25 PM

Great game between Kitchener and Soo tonight

Whitesnake 03-07-2008 11:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kernkraft (Post 12972657)
Price, Halak, Danis, Desjardins. I doubt we'll be getting a goalie when we're so low on centers. Maybe in the 6th or 7th round.

Most definately we'll be picking at least a goalie this year or next year. Danis might want to try elsewhere and in a couple of years, Halak would want to try his chance as a #1. We're not sure if Desjardins will be able to upgrade his play and become an NHL'er and Lacasse shouldn't be signing another contract with the Habs.

Sure we can pick a goalie by trade or UFA but if not, we're desperately in need to draft a goalie since it might takes at least 4 years to develop.

Quote:

Originally Posted by buddahsmoka1 (Post 12972336)
I tend to think that the Habs are going to draft a goalie in the early rounds, they are getting pretty bone dry in that department. Has anyone seen these guys play? If so, could you share a little report on them?

1 PICKARD, CHET WHL TRI-CITY 11/29/1989 6' 2" 210 G L 30 1746 2.65 0 0.907
2 DELMAS, PETER QMJHL LEWISTON 2/16/1990 6' 1.75" 169 G L 22 1259 2.72 0 0.907
3 MCCOLLUM, THOMAS OHL GUELPH 12/7/1989 6' 1.75" 205 G L 24 1387 2.55 3 0.912
4 POULIN, KEVIN QMJHL VICTORIAVILLE 4/12/1990 6' 2" 210 G L 27 1365 3.78 0 0.892
5 CARROZZI, CHRIS OHL MISSISSAUGA 3/2/1990 6' 2.75" 185 G L 22 1132 2.6 1 0.913
6 DESERRES, JACOB WHL SEATTLE 3/18/1990 6' 1.5" 195 G L 13 768 2.11 1 0.926
7 COUSINEAU, MARCO QMJHL BAIE-COMEAU 11/9/1989 6' 0" 195 G L 30 1700 2.54 4 0.91
8 BESKOROWANY, TYLER OHL OWEN SOUND 4/28/1990 6' 4" 203 G L 13 786 3.51 0 0.911
9 HOLTBY, BRANDEN WHL SASKATOON 9/16/1989 6' 1" 205 G L 31 1650 3.02 0 0.906
10 KILLEEN, PATRICK OHL BRAMPTON 4/15/1990 6' 4" 194 G L 15 910 3.3 1 0.898

Poulin is a tough goalie to analyse. Not having great moments lately but is usually able to make himself big in the net and good reflexes to go with that. But my favorite is Peter Delmas, goalie I like to compare to Steve Mason. Mason was my darkhorse last year, Delmas is mine this year. Really poised, while he could be faster laterally and his reflexes in general, he's just great techcnically and positionnally. I like him very much. But he should be gone a little sooner than we need to pick a goalie. We may have better picks in the first 3 rounds for forwards or D. Starting the 4th round and others, guys liks Carrozzi, Cousineau, Holtby or Killeen should be available and it might become good picks then.

GNick42 03-08-2008 07:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mue (Post 12971006)
Can anyone tell me a bit about Stefanovich?

A lot of Habs fans see to be pretty high on him and I'm wondering if it mostly because he is from Belarus?

Stef tends to float...high risk...think Mariusz Czerkawski...if we draft like 29-30 no other forwards close to his talent I would take a flyer on Stefanovich....but not my A or B plan for the draft, definitely

Monctonscout 03-08-2008 09:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by buddahsmoka1 (Post 12972336)
I tend to think that the Habs are going to draft a goalie in the early rounds, they are getting pretty bone dry in that department. Has anyone seen these guys play? If so, could you share a little report on them?

1 PICKARD, CHET WHL TRI-CITY 11/29/1989 6' 2" 210 G L 30 1746 2.65 0 0.907
2 DELMAS, PETER QMJHL LEWISTON 2/16/1990 6' 1.75" 169 G L 22 1259 2.72 0 0.907
3 MCCOLLUM, THOMAS OHL GUELPH 12/7/1989 6' 1.75" 205 G L 24 1387 2.55 3 0.912
4 POULIN, KEVIN QMJHL VICTORIAVILLE 4/12/1990 6' 2" 210 G L 27 1365 3.78 0 0.892
5 CARROZZI, CHRIS OHL MISSISSAUGA 3/2/1990 6' 2.75" 185 G L 22 1132 2.6 1 0.913
6 DESERRES, JACOB WHL SEATTLE 3/18/1990 6' 1.5" 195 G L 13 768 2.11 1 0.926
7 COUSINEAU, MARCO QMJHL BAIE-COMEAU 11/9/1989 6' 0" 195 G L 30 1700 2.54 4 0.91
8 BESKOROWANY, TYLER OHL OWEN SOUND 4/28/1990 6' 4" 203 G L 13 786 3.51 0 0.911
9 HOLTBY, BRANDEN WHL SASKATOON 9/16/1989 6' 1" 205 G L 31 1650 3.02 0 0.906
10 KILLEEN, PATRICK OHL BRAMPTON 4/15/1990 6' 4" 194 G L 15 910 3.3 1 0.898

This is a down year for goalies...Poulin has 1st round talent and size but he's had a lot of bad games this year and been inconsistant. Delmas is much more steady and consistant but he doesn't have #1 upside on a top team. I heard good things about McCollum but he is a late birthday. I wouldn't mind drafting one in the 3rd to 5th if there is good value there...with Halak and Price around there is no urgent need there but it's nice to have depth. The #1 need for this draft is help at center and maybe some bangers/scrappers a la Hudon-Paquette.

SOLR 03-08-2008 10:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GNick42 (Post 12977921)
Stef tends to float...high risk...think Mariusz Czerkawski...if we draft like 29-30 no other forwards close to his talent I would take a flyer on Stefanovich....but not my A or B plan for the draft, definitely

I disagree with most of what you said about him. High risk? Just dont see it, hes probably one of the safest bet of 2008.(just not the greatest of upsides) Czerkawski never had half of Stefa's weapons, granted he might seem to float a bit, like most 17-18 years old.

Habruti! 03-08-2008 10:25 AM

What is your thoughts on Kyle Beach
 
Is he more skilled the the likes of Chipchura and White? He sounds like he is but I would like to know about is skating? I would not mind if we traded up to get a guy like him... To be he sounds like a Getzlaf type a guy which IMO is exactly what we would need 2-3 years down the road.

Kostsitsyn, Plekanek, Kostsitsyn
Higgins, Chipchura, Latendresse
Pacioretty, Beach, Lapierre
???????, White, Wyman

DoMakc 03-08-2008 10:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SOLR (Post 12978627)
I disagree with most of what you said about him. High risk? Just dont see it, hes probably one of the safest bet of 2008.(just not the greatest of upsides) Czerkawski never had half of Stefa's weapons, granted he might seem to float a bit, like most 17-18 years old.

I bet you don't want somebody like Stefanovich, who isn't keen of being drafted by Canadiens, because "I don't like their system, where you have to play in AHL, before you get a chance to play in NHL".

http://www.sb.by/article.php?articleID=62503

Templeton 03-08-2008 10:58 AM

There will be a large gap between our spot and where Beach 'll be draft. If we want to go top 10, it will take a huge trade and I wouldn't do that. We can trade to move by some ranks but not enough to grab Beach. Just hope that Timmins have an hidden card.

WeThreeKings 03-08-2008 11:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DoMakc (Post 12979066)
I bet you don't want somebody like Stefanovich, who isn't keen of being drafted by Canadiens, because "I don't like their system, where you have to play in AHL, before you get a chance to play in NHL".

http://www.sb.by/article.php?articleID=62503

Latendresse didn't play a shift in the AHL. If you have the tools and the ability, you'll make the club. Sergei was only there for a month or two. It would be up to Stefanovich to play his way onto the team.

Analyzer 03-08-2008 11:10 AM

Do you think Kyle Beach will fall?

WeThreeKings 03-08-2008 11:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Analyzer (Post 12979328)
Do you think Kyle Beach will fall?

Not a chance.

Templeton 03-08-2008 11:21 AM

There's a hype because he play for Quebec ... I mean Rempart's players are offen overrated. They produce good players but some are overrated too. Montreal don't have any chance when they pick a Rempart. I don't feel that it will be another story with Stefanovich. I would go with another guy like Wahl, Boedker, maybe Dalpe, before Stefanovich. There is enough good players in this draft that we can hope that one will fall to us.

Roulin 03-08-2008 11:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DoMakc (Post 12979066)
I bet you don't want somebody like Stefanovich, who isn't keen of being drafted by Canadiens, because "I don't like their system, where you have to play in AHL, before you get a chance to play in NHL".

http://www.sb.by/article.php?articleID=62503

Thanks for the article! I love Babelfish...

"returning to the glass rod, any clubs did already conduct with you negotiations?

- scouts control each our match. True, approached thus far only representatives "New York the Rangers". They in detail about everything questioned, even about the father, where it played, when.

- there is whether command in NKHL, in which he would want to prove to be?

- there are such, in which he would not want for example, "Montreal". the surprising matter! There soon our daring troika will shine: Brothers Kostitsyny and Grabovskiy...

- I will explain. In the basic command now play several frankly "dead" hockey players, this all are understood, but place is located by it, since they are Canadians or Frenchmen. Serega Of kostitsyn even now is much stronger, and it comes out in AKHL. Me does not please itself the system "kanadiyens", according to which it is necessary to povarit'sya in AKHL and only after this it is possible to obtain chance to try itself in the main command.

- itself you do expect from the first season to begin to play in NKHL?

- it would be healthily.

- last week you finished celebrating your maturity. How did take place holiday?

- three cakes ate. But so nothing special. In the command without the pump they congratulated, in the family at the table they sat. Rua joked, that now 4 beer independently I can buy..."

Habruti! 03-08-2008 11:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mac Templeton (Post 12979202)
There will be a large gap between our spot and where Beach 'll be draft. If we want to go top 10, it will take a huge trade and I wouldn't do that. We can trade to move by some ranks but not enough to grab Beach. Just hope that Timmins have an hidden card.

The way I see it is that teams that will finish in the bottom 1o that need lots of help at defence, we are stacked with Quality prospects there... I mean with the emmergence of Obyrne and soon Valentenko, Carle, Fisher, MacDonagh, whithout mentionning Emelin in Russia we have the likes to put up a pretty nice offer...

Our 1st, Emelin, rights to Perezhogin, our 2nd in 2009 could be enough to move from our likely position (25ish to the top 8). Worst case I would even consider something like Emelin, Fisher and our 1st if its for a guy that Timmins is convinced that he will change the face of our team (I have more confidence in his judgement then mine!) :)

Bottom line is yes we have some depth at center with Grabo, Chipchura, Maxwell, Locke, White but I do not think any of these guys would cut it as a 2nd line center for a contending team...

SOLR 03-08-2008 11:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DoMakc (Post 12979066)
I bet you don't want somebody like Stefanovich, who isn't keen of being drafted by Canadiens, because "I don't like their system, where you have to play in AHL, before you get a chance to play in NHL".

http://www.sb.by/article.php?articleID=62503

I'll believe it when I see it. Beside Stefa is the kind of player that plays in the NHL fast, hes got good body size, strenght, D awareness already well covered.

Chomsky 03-08-2008 11:51 AM

Our 1st, Emelin, rights to Perezhogin, our 2nd in 2009 could be enough to move from our likely position (25ish to the top 8).

Not even close.


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