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Mike The Wall 02-04-2004 07:13 AM

Andre Savard Scouted the Flames last 3 games
 
During the hockey game last night the broadcasters mentioned that Savard was scouting the last 3 games of the flames. Gives more fuel to the gautheir -Perreault trade rumour

IcE ColD 02-04-2004 07:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Mike The Wall
During the hockey game last night the broadcasters mentioned that Savard was scouting the last 3 games of the flames. Gives more fuel to the gautheir -Perreault trade rumour

I'm just wondering: would that really be a good trade for Montreal?
Looking at their d-squad and it looks like there's no place for him. Gauthier is a fourth or fifth d-man and I think that all the players in place do the job. Maybe if they could get rid of Rivet :)

officeglen 02-04-2004 07:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Mike The Wall
During the hockey game last night the broadcasters mentioned that Savard was scouting the last 3 games of the flames. Gives more fuel to the gautheir -Perreault trade rumour

Let's just call it the Gauthier trade rumour - suggesting Perreault as the cornerstone of a deal is sick.

merlin 02-04-2004 08:00 AM

I can't see a 1 for 1 deal happening here. If we get a defenceman we need to ship one out. We have 7 or 8 capable of playing in the NHL (although not all of them are good...). We would either have to sit one out or send him to hamilton.

I am not familiar with the defence depth of Calgary but if Gauthier goes, can someone step in to replace him?

I could see something like this happening, gauthier + pick for perreault and a D (boullion, Hainsey?) with money being paid by Montreal to even out the salary issue that Calgary would have.

Thoughts?

sandman08 02-04-2004 08:05 AM

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Originally Posted by merlin
I can't see a 1 for 1 deal happening here. If we get a defenceman we need to ship one out. We have 7 or 8 capable of playing in the NHL (although not all of them are good...). We would either have to sit one out or send him to hamilton.

I am not familiar with the defence depth of Calgary but if Gauthier goes, can someone step in to replace him?

I could see something like this happening, gauthier + pick for perreault and a D (boullion, Hainsey?) with money being paid by Montreal to even out the salary issue that Calgary would have.

Thoughts?

could it be possible that he just happened to watching the flames games after scouting the hitmen or some other jr team playing the hitmen? (just a hunch/curious.. i dont know the hitmen's sched or anything so any info on that from a calgarian standpoint would be helpful)

FLAMING C 02-04-2004 08:42 AM

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Originally Posted by sandman08
could it be possible that he just happened to watching the flames games after scouting the hitmen or some other jr team playing the hitmen? (just a hunch/curious.. i dont know the hitmen's sched or anything so any info on that from a calgarian standpoint would be helpful)

Spector's Says it might be even a bigger trade Habs are looking at Conroy also

sandman08 02-04-2004 08:51 AM

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Originally Posted by FLAMING C
Spector's Says it might be even a bigger trade Habs are looking at Conroy also

i saw that
i just dont see a "blockbuster" being pulled between those 2 teams given that calgary wouldnt want to mess too much with chemistry with their playoff hopes on the line.. and i think moving conroy would cause issues of that nature IMO

AshRaTempel 02-04-2004 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by merlin
I am not familiar with the defence depth of Calgary but if Gauthier goes, can someone step in to replace him??

Calgary is very deep in defensemen. Both Steve Montador and Mike Commodore are NHL-calibre blueliners who can't crack the current rotation. I believe Jesse Wallin is close to that level as well, though I haven't seen him play this year -- he may have regressed.

The only reason Calgary trades Denis is to open up a spot on the blueline -- a D-man will not head west as a part of any trade, IMO.

Oh, and I very seriously doubt Sutter would consider Perrault. Much too weak defensively.

Flames Draft Watcher 02-04-2004 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by sandman08
i saw that
i just dont see a "blockbuster" being pulled between those 2 teams given that calgary wouldnt want to mess too much with chemistry with their playoff hopes on the line.. and i think moving conroy would cause issues of that nature IMO

Conroy is an UFA this summer and that's why Calgary may move him.

If we dealt Gauthier we would have to get another defensemen (even if only a depth guy) in that trade or another deal.

Flames Draft Watcher 02-04-2004 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by AshRaTempel
I believe Jesse Wallin is close to that level as well, though I haven't seen him play this year -- he may have regressed.

The only reason Calgary trades Denis is to open up a spot on the blueline -- a D-man will not head west as a part of any trade, IMO.

Wallin suffered a concussion early in the season and hasn't played since.

We have no other NHL calibre defensemen outside of Montador and Commodore and therefore if Gauthier is dealt I think we would have to acquire another defensemen even if only a fringe NHLer.

Perreault doesn't strike me as a Sutter type either and only makes sense for us to acquire if Conroy is headed out in the same deal or another deal.

AshRaTempel 02-04-2004 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher
Wallin suffered a concussion early in the season and hasn't played since.

We have no other NHL calibre defensemen outside of Montador and Commodore and therefore if Gauthier is dealt I think we would have to acquire another defensemen even if only a fringe NHLer.

Perreault doesn't strike me as a Sutter type either and only makes sense for us to acquire if Conroy is headed out in the same deal or another deal.

Too bad about Wallin -- I liked that pickup by the Flames.

Will Phaneuf be ready next year? I doubt it, but still thought I'd ask.

Flames Draft Watcher 02-04-2004 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by AshRaTempel
Will Phaneuf be ready next year? I doubt it, but still thought I'd ask.

I believe so. I watched a lot of camp and he was outstanding. There were rumblings that if his junior rights weren't owned by a team with good coaching (Brent Sutter in Red Deer) that he might have stayed up this season.

I am of the opinion that Sutter will move a defensemen this year or in the summer to make some room for Commodore/Phaneuf. To me Ference and Gauthier are the most obvious choices because I don't see us getting much for Montador. Ference has his size as a detractor. I think he'll be a good player but he's been mighty inconsistent this season. Gauthier is the guy I am least a fan of and I belive he'd bring more in a trade than the other two so that would be my choice to move.

Kouji 02-04-2004 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher
Perreault doesn't strike me as a Sutter type either and only makes sense for us to acquire if Conroy is headed out in the same deal or another deal.

I'm not sure about that. This is a quote from Spector:

"Suter admitted to TSN that he's looking for a quality faceoff guy and obviously Perreault is one of the best..."

I don't know Suter very well, and I certainly agree that Gauthier 1 for 1 would be overpaying for Perreault, but maybe there is an interest there. He probably has him pegged for a 3rd line role with added faceoff responsibilities.

From our end, I don't think Montreal would ask for too much in return. A 2nd round pick should seal the deal.

Also, I believe he will be a UFA this summer. Good news for the Flames is that I think Perreault realizes he's overpaid and will settle for less money next year.

sandman08 02-04-2004 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher
Wallin suffered a concussion early in the season and hasn't played since.

We have no other NHL calibre defensemen outside of Montador and Commodore and therefore if Gauthier is dealt I think we would have to acquire another defensemen even if only a fringe NHLer.

Perreault doesn't strike me as a Sutter type either and only makes sense for us to acquire if Conroy is headed out in the same deal or another deal.

what about karl dykhuis? he sure as hell is a "fringe NHLer" and the conroy/sundstrom/perrault/gauthier/dykhuis i guess would be a possibility with draft picks etc to even it out then i guess..
and im sure montreal could pick up some of dykhuis' salary or something

Flames Draft Watcher 02-04-2004 06:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Kouji
"Suter admitted to TSN that he's looking for a quality faceoff guy and obviously Perreault is one of the best..."

And Sutter has also said he's not interested in short term solutions or quick fixes. I think Sutter would take Conroy over Perreault any day of the week.

I'm not ruling Perreault out but I would be surprised if it happened. To me the rumoured deal doesn't help Calgary out at all or address any of our weaknesses.

Bandwagoner 02-04-2004 08:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Kouji
I'm not sure about that. This is a quote from Spector:

"Suter admitted to TSN that he's looking for a quality faceoff guy and obviously Perreault is one of the best..."

I don't know Suter very well, and I certainly agree that Gauthier 1 for 1 would be overpaying for Perreault, but maybe there is an interest there. He probably has him pegged for a 3rd line role with added faceoff responsibilities.

From our end, I don't think Montreal would ask for too much in return. A 2nd round pick should seal the deal.

Also, I believe he will be a UFA this summer. Good news for the Flames is that I think Perreault realizes he's overpaid and will settle for less money next year.

I don't think the Flames can bring Perrault in without shipping someone out. PLus do they even have a 2nd rounder this year? Or didn't they trade it to SJ for Kipper?

not quite yoda 02-04-2004 10:34 PM

I for one am sick of these dailey "Gauthier to Montreal" threads. There's a new one every day and nothing ever happens outside of the HF Boards world.

In this particular thread, the names I read are Gauthier and Conroy. The names out of Montreal are Perreault and "a defenceman".

Gainey wants players with a certain "character". Gauthier and Conroy fit that description. Gainey wants a "righty centre". Conroy fits that description. Sutter wants a "face-off specialist". Pereault fits that description. Also, Perreault is having a superior offensive season to Conroy. Of course Perreault for Conroy and Gauthier is a totally unbalanced proposal so a preety good D must be coming back Calgary's way... how about Hainsey?

So I deduce from everything I have been reading here: Conroy and Gauthier for Perreault and Hainsey.

From a Habs standpoint, I wouldn't do it. From a Flames standpoint, I don't care. You know why? Because all these Gauthier threads are a load of crap!

CalgaryFan1988 02-05-2004 08:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Mike The Wall
During the hockey game last night the broadcasters mentioned that Savard was scouting the last 3 games of the flames. Gives more fuel to the gautheir -Perreault trade rumour

I heard that Sutter likes Niklas Sundstom as he used to play in San Jose for Sutter. I believe that before the Perreault talk.

Flames Draft Watcher 02-05-2004 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Bandwagoner
I don't think the Flames can bring Perrault in without shipping someone out. PLus do they even have a 2nd rounder this year? Or didn't they trade it to SJ for Kipper?

The pick in Kiprusoff trade was for the 2005 draft not the upcoming draft.

Kritty 02-05-2004 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by espion
I for one am sick of these dailey "Gauthier to Montreal" threads. There's a new one every day and nothing ever happens outside of the HF Boards world.

In this particular thread, the names I read are Gauthier and Conroy. The names out of Montreal are Perreault and "a defenceman".

Gainey wants players with a certain "character". Gauthier and Conroy fit that description. Gainey wants a "righty centre". Conroy fits that description. Sutter wants a "face-off specialist". Pereault fits that description. Also, Perreault is having a superior offensive season to Conroy. Of course Perreault for Conroy and Gauthier is a totally unbalanced proposal so a preety good D must be coming back Calgary's way... how about Hainsey?

So I deduce from everything I have been reading here: Conroy and Gauthier for Perreault and Hainsey.

From a Habs standpoint, I wouldn't do it. From a Flames standpoint, I don't care. You know why? Because all these Gauthier threads are a load of crap!

Conroy is a far superior player to Perreault and will not be dealt for that little. Same goes for Gauthier. Perreault has very little value outside of faceoff ability and some ability to add offence. His contract causes serious issues when it comes to dealing him. The only way the Habs land a Conroy/Gauthier package is if they give up something of considerable. Conroy is just too valuable to the Flames and Gauthier has been playing very well this season.

I agree with you though, enough with the Gauthier to whoever threads. This is worse than Morris and the others have been. If you are going to make a proposal, at least think before you do it. Perreault for Gauthier type offers aren't gonna happen.

Darth Milbury 02-05-2004 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Mike The Wall
During the hockey game last night the broadcasters mentioned that Savard was scouting the last 3 games of the flames. Gives more fuel to the gautheir -Perreault trade rumour


That doens't give any fuel to the Gauthier-Perrault rumor. There is no way Montreal is getting Gauthier (or anything) from the Flames for Perrault.

The Flames and Habs may get together for a deal, but this one isn't going to happen.

Ozy_Flame 02-05-2004 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by espion
Also, Perreault is having a superior offensive season to Conroy.

Where are you getting your information from?? Conroy has 22 points in 34 games. Perreault has 19 points in 46 games! Your credibility, sir, just went down the toilet.

not quite yoda 02-05-2004 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame
Where are you getting your information from?? Conroy has 22 points in 34 games. Perreault has 19 points in 46 games! Your credibility, sir, just went down the toilet.

WHOA! easy there fellow. Before you say that my credibility is down the toilet, let me at least tell you why I claim that Perreault is having a better season than Conroy.

We are at the (approx.) 52nd game of the season. Conroy has 2 goals. His second just came the other night. For a guy who was on a first line last year and who is considered a top 6 forward... 2 goals after a team's 52nd (or so) game is an absolute disaster for a guy of that clout.

Perreault, on the other hand, is playing on a fourth line with the proloific Darren Langdon. Yet he has managed to tally 9 goals... Many people on these boards claim that Perreault "sucks" and yet he has 4.5 times Conroy's goal production. Conroy is considered as a good offensive player.

Yes, goals don't tell the whole story and assists make for a valid point. But goal scoring is the main facet of offence. Conroy has 2 goals in 34 games: that (for his standards) is an atrocious season. Perreault's point total is low because he's on the 4th line and has no linemate who can score regularly.

I ask you, kind gentleman, to delete your post as it makes me look bad.

Orv 02-05-2004 05:14 PM

I don't agree that Perrault is having a superior offensive season than Conroy but you have to remember that Perrault is playing on the fourth line because he doesn't bring as much to the table as Conroy. Conroy also has played 12 less games than Perrault. Chris Clark has 8 goals, 11 assissts. Is he having a superior offensive season to Conroy? Those are just my thoughts.

Flames Draft Watcher 02-05-2004 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by espion
Yes, goals don't tell the whole story and assists make for a valid point. But goal scoring is the main facet of offence.

And Conroy is creating goals because of his good set-up abilities. Does it really matter if his winger pots the goal or he does? Bottom line is it's a goal.

Obviously his 2 goals are very disappointing. He had a rough start to the season but has really been racking up the assists lately. Conroy has played his way back onto the 1st line with Iginla because of good play. Right now he's playing great and I don't think Sutter would consider moving him for Perrault. Perreault's a decent player but Conroy has the edge is size and skating and those are two things the Flames can't really afford to downgrade. I don't think Sutter will move Conroy unless the offer involves a younger player. Sutter is thinking long term and Perreault doesn't make any sense long term.

I have it from a couple of Montreal fans that Perreault has a no-trade clause and isn't interested in waiving it. If so then this should cut down the Perreault rumours.


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