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Le depisteur 04-02-2008 08:03 AM

La Presse: Olivier Fortier, Carbo clone?
 
Another great reading about an other of our prospects... :handclap: :yo: :bow:
http://www.cyberpresse.ca/article/20...128/CPSPORTS01

Habs 4 Life 04-02-2008 08:08 AM

Good read


Another Chipchura?

Ice Poutine 04-02-2008 08:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Habs 4 Life (Post 13402420)
Good read


Another Chipchura?

More like a gifted Vermette from what i've heard.

SOLR 04-02-2008 08:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Habs 4 Life (Post 13402420)
Good read


Another Chipchura?

Chipchura=Gainey, will beat you with tenacity
Fortier=Carbo, will beat you with intelligence

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Originally Posted by Ice Poutine (Post 13402430)
More like a gifted Vermette from what i've heard.

Gifted Vermette? Where do you take those comparisons?( A gifted Vermette is a player like Brin D'Amour)

Vermette is very close to the Selke this year. Fortier is less talented than Vermette can be, but hes an example of consistency.

Toro 04-02-2008 08:28 AM

He has more points than i thought he would have, don't know much more about him. Can't wait to read the story.:help:(translation)

NHLcrazy 04-02-2008 08:28 AM

We're gonna need 5 lines in the big club for the years to come...

Bullsmith 04-02-2008 08:30 AM

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Originally Posted by SOLR (Post 13402477)
Chipchura=Gainey, will beat you with tenacity
Fortier=Carbo, will beat you with intelligence


Good comparisons, but I'd add the words "a poor man's version". Gainey and Carbo are hall of famers, two of the greatest defensive players of all time. Chips doesn't have anything like Gainey's skating, while Fortier has a fraction of Carbo's offensive stats in the Q. Gainey was a first round pick despite never putting up big numbers in junior. He was a standout physical specimen on another level than Chips is. Ditto Carbo at draft day vs. Fortier. One was a potential star, the other a potential NHLer.

I like both Fortier and Chipchura very much, and think they're both players who can (and will!) make the NHL and have solid careers, but let's be realistic in what we expect.

SOLR 04-02-2008 08:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Bullsmith (Post 13402588)
Good comparisons, but I'd add the words "a poor man's version". Gainey and Carbo are hall of famers, two of the greatest defensive players of all time. Chips doesn't have anything like Gainey's skating, while Fortier has a fraction of Carbo's offensive stats in the Q. Gainey was a first round pick despite never putting up big numbers in junior. He was a standout physical specimen on another level than Chips is. Ditto Carbo at draft day vs. Fortier. One was a potential star, the other a potential NHLer.

I like both Fortier and Chipchura very much, and think they're both players who can (and will!) make the NHL and have solid careers, but let's be realistic in what we expect.

Should have said that, was comparing styles.

blueberry 04-02-2008 08:44 AM

Didn't carbo get like 72 goals or something in the q?

BLNY 04-02-2008 08:50 AM

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Originally Posted by blueberry (Post 13402720)
Didn't carbo get like 72 goals or something in the q?

His four junior seasons:


1976-77 Chicoutimi Sagueneens QMJHL 59 9 20 29 8
1977-78 Chicoutimi Sagueneens QMJHL 70 28 55 83 60
1978-79 Chicoutimi Sagueneens QMJHL 72 62 79 141 47
1979-80 Chicoutimi Sagueneens QMJHL 72 72 110 182

Whitesnake 04-02-2008 08:51 AM

My biggest concern as far as Fortier becoming a 2-way is actually being able to translate some offensives in the bigs. Even a 3rd line centerman needs to chip in once in a while. And as many reasons why his production fell significantly, more good reasons than bad, he'll need to show what he can do offensively next year.

He's never going to be in the first 2 lines, still...

I know one thing, as far as prospects are concerned, we may be the deepest team as far as a future 3rd line is concerned....

Le depisteur 04-02-2008 08:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Whitesnake (Post 13402779)
My biggest concern as far as Fortier becoming a 2-way is actually being able to translate some offensives in the bigs. Even a 3rd line centerman needs to chip in once in a while. And as many reasons why his production fell significantly, more good reasons than bad, he'll need to show what he can do offensively next year.

He's never going to be in the first 2 lines, still...

I know one thing, as far as prospects are concerned, we may be the deepest team as far as a future 3rd line is concerned....

You right, but he's a 3rd round pick too... If he just becomes a NHL regular, it's already great.

He had an average offensive season this year, I'm upset too with this, but he did at less 23 goals...

SOLR 04-02-2008 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Le depisteur (Post 13402841)
You right, but he's a 3rd round pick too... If he just becomes a NHL regular, it's already great.

He had an average offensive season this year, I'm upset too with this, but he did at less 23 goals...

Like it was said, his offensive talents werent really showcased this year. Doesnt mean that he wont be able to pick up playing with better players.

Monctonscout 04-02-2008 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by SOLR (Post 13402504)
Gifted Vermette? Where do you take those comparisons?( A gifted Vermette is a player like Brin D'Amour)

Vermette is very close to the Selke this year. Fortier is less talented than Vermette can be, but hes an example of consistency.

I don't find Vermette is that good...he gets points because he plays a lot, Ottawa has a weak 2nd line so Fischer and Vermette get a lot of PP time. He's overrated by RDS because he is a Quebecer.

Captain Saku 04-02-2008 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Carey Price (Post 13404108)
I don't find Vermette is that good...he gets points because he plays a lot, Ottawa has a weak 2nd line so Fischer and Vermette get a lot of PP time. He's overrated by RDS because he is a Quebecer.

Vermette played most of the season with Kelly on the 3rd line averaging 17 minutes a game which is not considered a lot of minutes.

Corey 04-02-2008 11:00 AM

Let's hope Fortier makes it to the NHL but it's not a sure thing. Why do fans see Fortier as another Carbonneau or Chipchura as another Gainey? Only because they don't have to sit in the penalty box for their wild exaggeration.

SOLR 04-02-2008 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Carey Price (Post 13404108)
I don't find Vermette is that good...he gets points because he plays a lot, Ottawa has a weak 2nd line so Fischer and Vermette get a lot of PP time. He's overrated by RDS because he is a Quebecer.

Maybe so, but thinking Fortier is a more gifted Vermette is quite a stretch.

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Originally Posted by Corey (Post 13404295)
Let's hope Fortier makes it to the NHL but it's not a sure thing. Why do fans see Fortier as another Carbonneau or Chipchura as another Gainey? Only because they don't have to sit in the penalty box for their wild exaggeration.

Like I said I was comparing styles, not upside/quality.

Pascal 04-02-2008 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by SOLR (Post 13402504)
Vermette is very close to the Selke this year.

You saying that because Yvon said it last night? :P Pierre and Yvon have a huge hard on for any player from Quebec.

Not saying he'll never win it but he's not close yet.

WeThreeKings 04-02-2008 11:28 AM

No one better to coach him, then.


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