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vitogor 04-20-2008 05:40 AM

Off Season
 
It's here. And it should be an interesting one.

Doug Risebrough is rumoured for the Leafs GM position. Will he leave? I doubt it. He has it too good in Minnesota. This franchise is his baby, as President/GM he calls all the shots, and has the new owner's support (at least according to the media). Why would anybody in their right mind trade it for the guillotine that is the Leafs front office?

Jacques Lemaire. Is he staying or is he leaving? I wouldn't be surprised either way. I have this gut feeling that he is going to leave though. And that we're getting Constantine as his replacement.

Demitra/Rolston. Which one is staying? My money is on Rolston.

Marian Gaborik. Is he planning to re-sign here? I think not. Gut feeling says he wants to go out east, where goals are pretty and offensive stars are plentiful and happy. If so, when do we pull the trigger? We can't afford to lose him for nothing, and we don't want to drag this out Atlanta-style.

PM Bouchard. Another one-year contract or a trade? Or both? Or do we sign him long-term? :help:

UFA's. I warmed up to Radio in the last half of the season, and would like to see him stay. Fridge is most likely staying. Hill, Carney, Nummelin, Simon, and Foy are gone. Hopefully, their replacements will be more than just spare parts. For the umpteenth time Riser, we need a top-6 center and a top-4 D, enough with the dollar store bargains already! :rant:

BigT2002 04-20-2008 06:50 AM

Demitra is gone and Gabby will be shortly behind him. What happens when you only bring in goons to play hockey and no one to help with the roles.

firstroundbust 04-20-2008 12:10 PM

can we get this stickied or label it of importance?

This is all we have now until the Draft :cry:

Wild Thing 04-20-2008 02:36 PM

I think I'm finally at the point where if Jacques wants to leave, I'm ready to wish him well and move on. I'd rather he stayed, but over the last couple of years I've been getting a stronger and stronger sense that the team is outgrowing him and his style. I still think he's one of the best coaches in the NHL, but quite frankly I'm getting tired of the "system." I want to see more wide-open, up and down the wing hockey. We've finally got the skaters for it, and I want to see them skate, for pete's sake.

And Risebrough? The sooner he hits the road, the happier I'll be. I lay last night's loss on his doorstep. When Colorado was adding Adam Foote and Peter Forsberg, Doug was adding Chris Simon. This team has glaring needs, needs that every one of us fans have seen and identified quite clearly over the last year or two, and Risebrough has totally ignored them. He's a dunce.

After the 2003 playoffs, he said that the lesson he learned was that a team doesn't need big, powerful forwards crashing the net; he said that success in the playoffs depended on fast, highly skilled players.

So he built a soft team that got humiliated in 2007 by Anaheim's big, powerful skaters, and the lesson he learned from that was that, gee! Maybe you do need physical players in front of the net after all!

So he went out and got Simon, and figured that was all we needed. But ol' Einstein Risebrough was probably one of the 6 people in the whole state who failed to notice that the big, physical players who won the Cup for the Ducks last year were also decent skaters who can actually play the game and score a few goals. And what happens this year? We hit the playoffs, and find that the only guys we have on the team who are willing to actually crash the net are for the most part incapable of doing anything with the puck once they get there. And the only true goalscorer on the team can't score goals because we forgot to pick up a center who can actually pass him the puck. I shudder to think what flawed lessons he'll learn from this debacle. Doug can take his tired, overly conservative act to Toronto if they're stupid enough to have him. I don't think this team is ever going anywhere as long he's at the wheel, because I think he's too stupid to build a proper playoff team.

a79krgm 04-20-2008 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by vitogor (Post 13762587)
It's here. And it should be an interesting one.

Doug Risebrough is rumoured for the Leafs GM position. Will he leave? I doubt it. He has it too good in Minnesota. This franchise is his baby, as President/GM he calls all the shots, and has the new owner's support (at least according to the media). Why would anybody in their right mind trade it for the guillotine that is the Leafs front office?

If Risebrough wants to take the Leafs GM position than I say let him go. I would not want anyone to manage the Wild's future by somene stupid enough to get himself involved with a crazy orgainization like that one ...

What is done with Gaborik will make or break a career here. Look what happend in Boston. Thorton was dealt to San Jose with little in return. We can't let that happen with Gaborik. If he has to go then we MUST get a return that will keep this franchise operating at the highest level. If the Wild blow this one then the Team of 18,000 will sooner then later find other things to spend their money on.

schrottkind 04-20-2008 03:52 PM

If Lemaire choses to go, would you like Constantine as his replacement?

Wild Thing 04-20-2008 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by schrottkind (Post 13767117)
If Lemaire choses to go, would you like Constantine as his replacement?

I have to say I have no opinion. I don't know enough about the guy. I'm thinking maybe it's time for Ramsey to get his chance.

Harrison 04-20-2008 06:20 PM

Hey guys I am not trolling. I come in peace! :)

I heard on Hockey Night In Canada last night that Rolston refused to sign a contract so I wouldn't expect him to be back. They also mentioned that Demitra is as good as gone...they didn't say Gaborik wouldn't resign when his deal is up but they hinted he won't sign either... ((( they being Ron Maclean - and the famous Al Strachan))) so take it for what it is worth...

I thnk the players in your organization that have been there awhile probably are getting tired of Lemaire and company. Maybe it s time for a managment and coaching change. Remember though, players like Gaborik don't grow on trees.

Wild Thing 04-20-2008 08:00 PM

I won't miss Demitra much, either. He's a hell of a player, but he tends to disappear just when you need him the most, and I was really expecting a lot more out of him here. I don't blame him entirely, because he's more suited to be a winger than a center; and again, I blame Risebrough for not getting a center to play between him and Gaborik, but still. Hasn't really met expectations.

Rolston's a different story. I think he will stay for the right contract, because he really does seem to like it here. I don't put too much stock in that report - I seriously doubt it's recent information. It's very unlikely they were negotiating during the playoffs or the last few weeks of the season. Nobody wants the distraction. He probably just rejected an early exploratory offer sometime during the season; business as usual.

Gaborik? I'll be surprised if he signs an extension this season. I don't think they'll be willing to pay him what he'll be asking. My gut feeling is he's going to wait it out and see what the open market brings next year. Like a lot of other people, I think the most likely scenario is that he and his groin play out their option and sign with someone else in 2009. C'est la vie.

Keetz 04-20-2008 09:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Wild Thing (Post 13767192)
I have to say I have no opinion. I don't know enough about the guy. I'm thinking maybe it's time for Ramsey to get his chance.

I agree although the opinion around the water cooler at work is that he'll be Jacques II but I disagree. Somehow I see him being a bit more aggressive. I have nothing to support that just a hunch.

ceber 04-21-2008 01:05 AM

Might just be me, but this feels like a critical off season. Things are handled well, and the team continues to do well. Things aren't handled well, and we circle the bottom for the next couple of seasons.

vitogor 04-21-2008 04:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Wild Thing (Post 13766112)
I think I'm finally at the point where if Jacques wants to leave, I'm ready to wish him well and move on. I'd rather he stayed, but over the last couple of years I've been getting a stronger and stronger sense that the team is outgrowing him and his style. I still think he's one of the best coaches in the NHL, but quite frankly I'm getting tired of the "system." I want to see more wide-open, up and down the wing hockey. We've finally got the skaters for it, and I want to see them skate, for pete's sake.

And Risebrough? The sooner he hits the road, the happier I'll be. I lay last night's loss on his doorstep. When Colorado was adding Adam Foote and Peter Forsberg, Doug was adding Chris Simon. This team has glaring needs, needs that every one of us fans have seen and identified quite clearly over the last year or two, and Risebrough has totally ignored them. He's a dunce.

After the 2003 playoffs, he said that the lesson he learned was that a team doesn't need big, powerful forwards crashing the net; he said that success in the playoffs depended on fast, highly skilled players.

So he built a soft team that got humiliated in 2007 by Anaheim's big, powerful skaters, and the lesson he learned from that was that, gee! Maybe you do need physical players in front of the net after all!

So he went out and got Simon, and figured that was all we needed. But ol' Einstein Risebrough was probably one of the 6 people in the whole state who failed to notice that the big, physical players who won the Cup for the Ducks last year were also decent skaters who can actually play the game and score a few goals. And what happens this year? We hit the playoffs, and find that the only guys we have on the team who are willing to actually crash the net are for the most part incapable of doing anything with the puck once they get there. And the only true goalscorer on the team can't score goals because we forgot to pick up a center who can actually pass him the puck. I shudder to think what flawed lessons he'll learn from this debacle. Doug can take his tired, overly conservative act to Toronto if they're stupid enough to have him. I don't think this team is ever going anywhere as long he's at the wheel, because I think he's too stupid to build a proper playoff team.

I totally agree with your post, I feel exactly the same way.

The thought of the Wild without Lemaire feels a little... I don't even know how to say it... scary? After all, he is the only coach we've ever had. We know his every look, his every smirk, his every gum-chewing technique. But all those mind games and the neverending line combinations are starting to get old. He is starting to outcoach himself, and that may be the sign that it's time for a change. Granted, he could only do so much with the curious roster that he had, and that brings us directly to Risebrough.

When you look at the big picture, we are on par with Nashville (which had a two-year head start), and light years ahead of Atlanta and Columbus in terms of success and organizational stability. You have to give Riser credit for that. On the other hand, I feel that at this point the Wild should be a legitimate contender, not an also-ran. We have an excellent core of young players that this team can build around. But that's the thing, he hasn't done a very good job of building around that core. He has tried to blindly copy Anaheim, and failed.

I don't think it's fair to point at Simon, though, and say: "This is where he screwed up". The team isn't built at the deadline, it's built in the summer. Let's look at Anaheim last year. All they did at the deadline was add a thug to their lineup. Sounds familiar? Well, at that point they had already built a team that was destined to go very far in the playoffs, with or without the above-mentioned thug (who will remain nameless here :naughty:). Can't say that about the Wild this year. The thing that irks me the most is that Lemaire rejected most of the players that Risebrough has brought in lately. Moore, Hall, Hill, Simon, Voros once he cooled off after a hot start. Since last year's deadline, the only newcomers who earned a regular spot are Fedoruk and Belanger. That's it, only two. So really, the only thing that has dramatically improved the roster since the beginning of last season is the development of Burns, Koivu and Schultz. It's almost like the team improved despite the GM's failure to improve the team. The only real improvement that can be credited to Risebrough in that time span is getting rid of the cancerous "French Connection" of Fernandez and Dupuis. That's all I can think of. So yeah, I will not shed any tears if Doug leaves. He has created a very good, strong franchise, but so far he has shown inability to take it to the final level - the level of contenders.

Circulartheory 04-21-2008 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by vitogor (Post 13776791)
I totally agree with your post, I feel exactly the same way.

The thought of the Wild without Lemaire feels a little... I don't even know how to say it... scary? After all, he is the only coach we've ever had. We know his every look, his every smirk, his every gum-chewing technique. But all those mind games and the neverending line combinations are starting to get old. He is starting to outcoach himself, and that may be the sign that it's time for a change. Granted, he could only do so much with the curious roster that he had, and that brings us directly to Risebrough.

When you look at the big picture, we are on par with Nashville (which had a two-year head start), and light years ahead of Atlanta and Columbus in terms of success and organizational stability. You have to give Riser credit for that. On the other hand, I feel that at this point the Wild should be a legitimate contender, not an also-ran. We have an excellent core of young players that this team can build around. But that's the thing, he hasn't done a very good job of building around that core. He has tried to blindly copy Anaheim, and failed.

I don't think it's fair to point at Simon, though, and say: "This is where he screwed up". The team isn't built at the deadline, it's built in the summer. Let's look at Anaheim last year. All they did at the deadline was add a thug to their lineup. Sounds familiar? Well, at that point they had already built a team that was destined to go very far in the playoffs, with or without the above-mentioned thug (who will remain nameless here :naughty:). Can't say that about the Wild this year. The thing that irks me the most is that Lemaire rejected most of the players that Risebrough has brought in lately. Moore, Hall, Hill, Simon, Voros once he cooled off after a hot start. Since last year's deadline, the only newcomers who earned a regular spot are Fedoruk and Belanger. That's it, only two. So really, the only thing that has dramatically improved the roster since the beginning of last season is the development of Burns, Koivu and Schultz. It's almost like the team improved despite the GM's failure to improve the team. The only real improvement that can be credited to Risebrough in that time span is getting rid of the cancerous "French Connection" of Fernandez and Dupuis. That's all I can think of. So yeah, I will not shed any tears if Doug leaves. He has created a very good, strong franchise, but so far he has shown inability to take it to the final level - the level of contenders.

I agree. I am the wild DR supporter. Its ridiculous to say DR needs to go AT THIS POINT. He has built a strong franchise from the start and that alone should give him 1-2 more years with the team. It seems that the problem of not improving appeared after the Demitra trade so if the team continues to be in limbo for the next year or two, fine. But right now? Seriously?

firstroundbust 04-21-2008 11:08 AM

http://www.startribune.com/sports/wild/17959489.html

the roster situation:
http://www.startribune.com/sports/wild/17961344.html

MN_Gopher 04-21-2008 06:21 PM

Either this team has had too much success too fast. Or i just do not agree with what the wild are doing. We have a solid core. Sheppard, Koivu, Schultz, Burns. We should keep PMB and Gabby and who knows what Gillies will be. But after that we will fall off fast. Carney, Hill and Nummy are gone. No that thats a big deal. Demo is gone and i would guess that Gabby will follow. So now any kind of major scoring threat is gone. We do not keep boh of Voros and Foy maybe not either. Fedoruk will stay and i think Rolston might. I think Radio can get more money if he goes elsewhere. With Rolston if a detroit or dallas offers him something and the wild are sitting on their hands. He might give it his all to play for a serious contender.

We will need about 3 new d men. Carney, Hill and Nummy

And 4 forwards at least. Simon, Demo, Foy, Voros, Rolston.

We could bring in Irmen, Kalus, Gillies, Clutterbuck, Pouliot, Gillies. At least with those guys we could save a penny or so. Those are not even 1 mil a year guys. Assuming those 6 guys cost 9 mil all together. That leaves us with roughly 11 mil. We would need three depth d men. 4 million there. And if Belle, Stoner or Reitz is ready even though Reitz is a UFA. We coukld cut that to 3.5 mil maybe. So then we are at about 7.5 mil. Bump one of our own young forwards and you have about 8 mil to sign two talented offensive players. Or one top end guy and sign PM long term.

If we do not sign Demo and Gabby wants out. We could load up on some solid young talent. All though if we do not sign Gabby i think the Demo trade will go down as one of the worst in MN sports history. We rent Demo to keep Gabby for a few extra years, WOW. I'd rather have the pick and O'Sullivan. And forget the renting of Demo.

I just want to get serious about the future. And trade away a stud prospect and a first. or go after some big name guys and make a big trade. We are stuck in the middle, we have no cup and our franchise player might be on his way out. As fans i think we got jobed the last few years.

Realm 04-21-2008 11:50 PM

Parrish will be traded as well.

Ace2008 04-22-2008 12:39 AM

not to talk stupid trade but how about Gaborik when he's on a hot streak for Olli---yes he's 3 years older but he's much more durable and a clutch guy who can play both Center (w/ good Faceoffs) and RW...oh yeah he's Finnish!


of course the Panthers fans will scream bloody murder but I think the trade brings something to both teams...

mncdn 04-22-2008 09:39 AM

I didn't know that the Florida Panthers had fans?

DW 05-02-2008 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Realm (Post 13796132)
Parrish will be traded as well.

For what/whom? He's an ok player with a long contract. The dollars are not bad but is he really wanted? Sure every team looks for secondary scoring (the Wild are numero uno if you ask me), but your not getting any kind of return for him imo. You maybe have to do a contract/contract type deal instead of prospects/picks (I'd prefer). Seems a wash for me if we take on a contract instead of getting rid of Parrish. JL seemed to sour on Parrish in the second half of the season but if he's not going to be around, then he may stay.

If DR and JL stay, I could see the Wild trying to move him. I don't see him as a priority to move though. I have no love/hate for the guy but I don't see him being the most important move this off-season.

Personally, what the Wild do with PMB and Gaborik this summer has got to be #1 on the list. (Even moreso then Demitra/Rolston becoming UFA's.) If we end up dealing these guys, then we'll be in for a long season with alot of turnover imo. If you trade PMB and Gaborik, I'd hope we'd get good players with some time in the NHL more then picks and prospects. I'm sure we'd get a little of everything for them though.

One of Demitra/Rolston will be gone for sure. They'll lose 3 d-men as well with only Reitz maybe ready to fill a spot. Holes galore on this team with very few players to step in next season. Are we hoping that another 1st rounder has to learn on the job so we can fill out a roster?

Gaborik, PMB, UFA's, the gm, the coach, lots of questions to be answered/resolved in the next four months. It will be fun, or terrible, depending on how you look at it I guess.

Seems like alot of questions marks for a team that has had a solid few seasons? To me it seems like the GM put himself into a situation that he's going to have a lot of trouble fixing.

...end of rant....


.......for now.....;)

BigT2002 05-18-2008 08:44 AM

Top 2 things that will upset me the most this offseason:

Gaborik being traded (following the lovely tradition of Minnesota sports teams trading their all-star talent and getting nothing but table scraps for them [Moss, Culpepper, about every Twin we've lost, Garnett, Smith, etc, etc])

Signing players who can't fit the role of JL's defensive system and only ruining their career and dropping their value. I don't see a Foppa, Hossa, Kovi style player getting along that well with JL for some reason

Two Things I would LIKE to see:

Getting more d-men to help out Shultz and Burns in the back that aren't exactly "offensive minded" actually play your position, no one is expecting a Lidstrom/Nieds caliber player on the blueline...just someone who can take away the shooting lanes and play off the forecheck would be sweel

#2 Center and a #1 winger to help with Gabby and to assist with the powerplay and hopefully sign Rolston to stay on as a 2nd line winger. could you picture a Gabby - Koivu - Williams and Rolston - Modo - PMB lines?? be awesome!

I won't be upset to see any of the mentioned players leave. Parrish had his season and he's looking like hes hitting that point in his career where its time to cut your losses and move on. Also would like to see them renegotiate with some of these players and get their contracts down a little bit to bring in some more talent. I know I can't speak for everyone, but paying players over 3 million who aren't producing anything close to their expectations just frustrates me.

Wouldn't hurt to have someone tell JL that while the system is a good idea and should be an encouraged style of play, there also needs to be an emphasis on actually scoring and not winning through the stick of two main players (Rolston & Gabby).

Enough with the bandaid players, I'm tired of goons on this team to bring a physical style of play and hardly contribute outside of fighting. Yes we lost to some teams because they were more physical than us, but bringing in these "tough hitters" didn't help either...still lost in the 1st round. Boogard, Simon, etc can all leave the team and I wouldn't miss them one bit. At least Fridge contributes some type of offensive production instead of drilling people into the wall. Not to mention half of them only play a handful of games a year and either healthy scratches or dropped to the minors to bring production up.

This is going to be an interesting off season and it can honestly go either way. We can either make some trades, get some great prospects that will flow with this team, or we will bomb it and start all over again being one of those teams that went from 1st one year to last the next year. We are in one of the most competitive divisions in the NHL, with only ( I believe) 10 points between us and the Oilers. That means we can't just sit on our rears and hope that they lose talent or something goes wrong next season. Vancouver had some fluke last couple games, Calgary was strong and they are going to be just as strong next year, and we all know how the Avs will be if Sakic and Foppa return (and hopefully healthy)...and Oilers have some great young talent still. Meaning, if we just go "well we have Gabby so we'll be good" we are seriously going to get a wakeup call that has us screaming for some trades during the season really quick.

HamiltonOHL 05-27-2008 02:13 AM

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I was just wondering, i know what June 7th is the date that teams can start trading and such but i was just wondering when will we see anything about when our players resign or such..

According to nhlnumbers.com this is what we have

UFA's
Pavol Demitra
Brian Rolston
Branko Rady
Matt Foy
Todd Fedoruk
Steve Kelly
Keith Carney
Sean Hill

RFA"s
PM Bouchard
Stephane Veilleux
Aaron Voros
Kurtis Foster

This isn't including any of our farm players either

HamiltonOHL 05-28-2008 05:13 AM

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I know Fedoruk isnt the tough one out of our enforcers but we only need one and we have what 3 now left out of the four two more need to go and keep Fedoruk... I know Boogey is a big player and all but atleast Fedoruk can put points on the board every now and then...

Also i know Demitra is a UFA but we can do what Philly and nashville did... Alot of ppl are saying that Demitra has been seen in Vancouver so why dont we trade the rights of Demitra to Vancouver for a late 1st or 2nd round pick or something... That way Vancouver still has time to work out a deal with Demitra before he hits fa...

Blades 0f Steel 06-18-2008 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Ace2008 (Post 13796993)
not to talk stupid trade but how about Gaborik when he's on a hot streak for Olli---yes he's 3 years older but he's much more durable and a clutch guy who can play both Center (w/ good Faceoffs) and RW...oh yeah he's Finnish!


of course the Panthers fans will scream bloody murder but I think the trade brings something to both teams...

How is Olli 'never made the playoffs' Jokinen clutch?...


and you think the Panthers fans will scream bloody murder if they get one of the most talented players in the league for him?...

mattihp 06-18-2008 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Blades 0f Steel (Post 14443775)
How is Olli 'never made the playoffs' Jokinen clutch?...

If he had been clutch in olympics or world champs I could've bought that. But he usually puts up points against lesser countries...

And he SUCKS direly on the wing.

Mathletic 05-09-2009 01:04 PM

quick question about Brent Burns

was he drafted as d-man then moved to forward, then moved back to defense or was he drafted as a forward?


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