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Magic33 05-01-2008 12:40 PM

Grit? Who has it?
 
I agree with many posts that the Habs are lacking in the Grit/willing to pay the price department.

Who do you think in the NHL has this grit/pay the price mentality, and which of them would be a possibility for the habs to sign next year?

Also, would you give up anyone on our current roster to obtain someone with grit?

SpreeEndaz 05-01-2008 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Magic33 (Post 13950633)
I agree with many posts that the Habs are lacking in the Grit/willing to pay the price department.

Who do you think in the NHL has this grit/pay the price mentality, and which of them would be a possibility for the habs to sign next year?

Also, would you give up anyone on our current roster to obtain someone with grit?

O'Byrne and Latendresse will both need to learn to use their bodies more. Also, we will have some players like Valentenko and Subban who both doesn't look like guys who would back off from a physical contest.

Monctonscout 05-01-2008 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by SpreeEndaz (Post 13950666)
O'Byrne and Latendresse will both need to learn to use their bodies more. Also, we will have some players like Valentenko and Subban who both doesn't look like guys who would back off from a physical contest.

Latendresse uses his a lot, he just needs more ice time. He needs to play with guys that carry the puck like Holmstrom in Detroit.

anarmandaleb 05-01-2008 12:48 PM

You know who I want on this team but will never happen?
Malkin. Not Ovie, not Crosby, not Lucic. Malkin.
Why? Cause he's awesome and has grit. He really does. But it's more of a wishful thinking kind of choice. Realistically, I don't know.

Moon Man* 05-01-2008 12:49 PM

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Lord Horse 05-01-2008 01:02 PM

More Canadiens. /thread

tinyzombies 05-01-2008 01:23 PM

Flyers have more GRIT plain and simple
 
We cannot win one-on-one battles for our lives. Biron is playing great and getting bounces, but we're not on the doorstep anyway (unless it's Koivu on one foot or the 4th line). We need a major overhaul imo, much like the Penguins did. We need to get much grittier, but maintain our skill somehow.

There's no sense gearing our lineup for a grit game beacuse we don't have those horses. Have to stick with the skill and hope something goes in.

All that said, I think we'll win Saturday. This ain't over!

Kaoz 05-01-2008 01:38 PM

Philly.

I mentioned before Montreal has too much skill, and not enough grit.

It's a great regular season formula, but doesn't translate into the more grueling playoffs as well. With your skill players up front however, you should be able to move some of them in the offseason and get bigger in your top 6.

Lats just doesn't seem to have it, and outside of him you don't really have any offensive power forwards do you? I know there's MP in the pipeline, but how far away is he, and what kind of upside are you looking at?

My question; is that Montreal's style? As far back as I can remember they've mostly been about the speed and skill game. Can anyone honestly see them move out skill and speed for skill and grit?

anarmandaleb 05-01-2008 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Kaoz (Post 13951492)
Philly.

I mentioned before Montreal has too much skill, and not enough grit.

It's a great regular season formula, but doesn't translate into the more grueling playoffs as well. With your skill players up front however, you should be able to move some of them in the offseason and get bigger in your top 6.

Lats just doesn't seem to have it, and outside of him you don't really have any offensive power forwards do you?

My question; is that Montreal's style? As far back as I can remember they've mostly been about the speed and skill game. Can anyone honestly see them move out skill and speed for skill and grit?

Or a healthy mix?

tinyzombies 05-01-2008 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Kaoz (Post 13951492)
Philly.

I mentioned before Montreal has too much skill, and not enough grit.

It's a great regular season formula, but doesn't translate into the more grueling playoffs as well. With your skill players up front however, you should be able to move some of them in the offseason and get bigger in your top 6.

Lats just doesn't seem to have it, and outside of him you don't really have any offensive power forwards do you? I know there's MP in the pipeline, but how far away is he, and what kind of upside are you looking at?

My question; is that Montreal's style? As far back as I can remember they've mostly been about the speed and skill game. Can anyone honestly see them move out skill and speed for skill and grit?

How about skill and grit? The Flyers grit guys can also play hockey and they can all skate. That team was built for the playoffs from scratch. They'll be even better next year when they fix their D a bit and maybe get Gagne back.

Koivu is our only grit guy with skill up front imo. Tender is still blossoming. Pacioretty and Chipper are badly needed, hopefully they develop quickly.

Kaoz 05-01-2008 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by LeafRefereeeeeees (Post 13951575)
How about skill and grit? The Flyers grit guys can also play hockey and they can all skate. That team was built for the playoffs from scratch. They'll be even better next year when they fix their D a bit and maybe get Gagne back.

Gagne has some serious injury issues. I'd be surprised if he could maintain a full healthy season at this point.

tinyzombies 05-01-2008 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Kaoz (Post 13951592)
Gagne has some serious injury issues. I'd be surprised if he could maintain a full healthy season at this point.

Either way, they'll get his salary off the books if that's the case and be able to go sign someone.

LeMAD 05-01-2008 01:47 PM

It's not about grit, but hard work, win your one on one battles and being able to take a hit to make a play. But let's not forget we have the youngest team in the playoffs. Still, too many players are non-factor because they get intimidated physically.

tinyzombies 05-01-2008 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by LeMAD (Post 13951615)
It's not about grit, but hard work, win your one on one battles and being able to take a hit to make a play. But let's not forget we have the youngest team in the playoffs. Still, too many players are non-factor because they get intimidated physically.

Hard work alone doesn't win one on one battles. You can battle as hard as you want, but that doesn't mean you're going to get the puck. I agree that it's a learning experience for some guys and their bodies are still developing. We also can't give away all our skill. I'd at least like to see three more grit guys with skill up front though and a legit 4th Dman. And a scorer if one of these guys doesn't break out.

Melvin Udall 05-01-2008 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by anarmandaleb (Post 13950731)
You know who I want on this team but will never happen?
Malkin. Not Ovie, not Crosby, not Lucic. Malkin.
Why? Cause he's awesome and has grit. He really does. But it's more of a wishful thinking kind of choice. Realistically, I don't know.

Great choice. And I agree, Malikn is a great player, a quiet leader and he plays with grit and determination. He'll play through the holding, clutching, grabbing and hacking, still make great plays on the net.

Another guy I would love to see in Montral is Ryan Getzlaff -- Habs had a chance to draft him and didn't. Doubt he will ever end up in Montreal! :shakehead

Melvin Udall 05-01-2008 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by LeMAD (Post 13951615)
It's not about grit, but hard work, win your one on one battles and being able to take a hit to make a play. But let's not forget we have the youngest team in the playoffs. Still, too many players are non-factor because they get intimidated physically.

I agree with most of your statements in this post, but, I do think (for the most part) that Hab's players are working hard. The problem (at least to me) is that they are more effective playing a finnesse game and just not very effective playing a physical game!

The '07 Cup Finals showed that great skill (Sens) and great effort will not be enough to (ultimately) win in the playoffs if your team is "physically" out played! :shakehead

KenAF 05-01-2008 02:07 PM

Malkin would be great to have (for any team), but I don't think he is the answer. Malkin is tough along the boards, and he will crash the net to knock in rebounds, but you can count on one hand the number of times he has has camped in front of the net to screen the goalie or deflect a shot.

Montreal needs a wing with a scoring touch that is physical enough to fight for position in front of net with players like Hatcher. He can't be afraid to loose a few teeth or take a few shots off his legs or body. He should also be a decent passer so he fits in with the rest of Montreal's game. Get such a player and then clone him for the first and second lines.

transitguy 05-01-2008 02:13 PM

We have some grit and players sitting in the stands that will go for the net. Ryder, Stewart and Chipchura. But, but who would you sit to get them in? Maybe the useless trio of Lapierre, Latendresse and Streit.

Kaoz 05-01-2008 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by transitguy (Post 13951905)
We have some grit and players sitting in the stands that will go for the net. Ryder, Stewart and Chipchura. But, but who would you sit to get them in? Maybe the useless trio of Lapierre, Latendresse and Streit.

Would they be the difference? I mean really, it's skill and speed that got you guys this far. Do you abandon that plan right now and take an approach you really aren't geared for?

Lapierre is a guy who consistently gets under the other teams skin, he's the Habs pest and is good at what he does. As a Bruins fan I wanted to see him dead every night, which means he was doing what he was supposed to.

I think the biggest issue for Montreal was running directly into the Flyers right after a hard fought series with the Bruins. You couldn't have run into two teams geared better to wear opponents down. Had you of met Pittsburgh in the second round, or someone else in the first it likely wouldn't have been a big issue.

Fido22 05-01-2008 02:24 PM

We are a young team. For many of our new core, this is their first meaningful nhl playoffs. I'm far for having given up on Pleks (heck of a game last night), the Kostys, Higgins, etc. as gritty playoff types. They have heart. They will learn.

Kaoz 05-01-2008 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Fido22 (Post 13952030)
We are a young team. For many of our new core, this is their first meaningful nhl playoffs. I'm far for having given up on Pleks (heck of a game last night), the Kostys, Higgins, etc. as gritty playoff types. They have heart. They will learn.

Higgins yes, I think he's already there. Kids all grit and sandpaper, he just has the young issue of finishing but that will come.

Plekanec and the Kostitsyns though, they're a ways off the gritty mark don't you think? Will they ever have that capability?

Fido22 05-01-2008 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Kaoz (Post 13952049)
Plekanec and the Kostitsyns though, they're a ways off the gritty mark don't you think? Will they ever have that capability?

The only one I have doubts about in that department is AK. Pleks, I already see coming around. SK always plays with drive (not his best series though). AK, we shall see in this regard.

RE-HABS 05-01-2008 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Fido22 (Post 13952076)
The only one I have doubts about in that department is AK. Pleks, I already see coming around. SK always plays with drive (not his best series though). AK, we shall see in this regard.

AK is a question mark that's for sure, a player with his strength and size shouldn't be shy to play a physical game or go in the corners...but he gets hit and he plays shy and does things out of character.

That needs to change if he wants to be a top notch forward in this league.

Kaoz 05-01-2008 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Fido22 (Post 13952076)
The only one I have doubts about in that department is AK. Pleks, I already see coming around. SK always plays with drive (not his best series though). AK, we shall see in this regard.

Perhaps we have different meanings of the word grit. I don't classify a guy like Kessel as being gritty, even though he proved he can be clutch, and will take the body. Going into the corners should be a forgone conclusion I think, and shouldn';t translate to being a gritty player. Even small guys need to go in and get their nose dirty and try to win battles for the puck, even if its as the third man on the outside digging.

I find the guys you mentioned above, aside from Higgins are more finesse skill players? Maybe I'm unaware of that aspect of their game?

Fido22 05-01-2008 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Kaoz (Post 13952316)
Perhaps we have different meanings of the word grit. I don't classify a guy like Kessel as being gritty, even though he proved he can be clutch, and will take the body.

I find the guys you mentioned above, aside from Higgins are more finesse skill players? Maybe I'm unaware of that aspect of their game?

I'm thinking of willingness/ability to pay the price. Not in the sense that they will become grinders. Generally, that they will adapt to play the more physical, less space game the playoffs require.


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