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papershoes 05-05-2008 11:33 AM

free agent game: predators roster
 
hey folks,
i am the gm in the recent free agent game taking place on the trades board.

i was just curious what you thought of my moves thus far and, if you have any suggestions for further moves.

forwards
jason ARNOTT - $4,500,000 (3 years remaining)
steve SULLIVAN - $3,200,000 (1 year remaining - UFA)
j.p. DUMONT - $4,000,000 (4 years remaining)
david LEGWAND - $4,500,000 (6 years remaining) - traded to los angeles
radek BONK - $1,475,000 (1 year remaining - UFA)
alexander RADULOV - $918,857 (1 year remaining - RFA)*
vernon FIDDLER - $850,000 (1 year remaining - UFA)
jed ORTMEYER - $750,000 (1 year remaining - UFA)
scott NICHOL - $750,000 (1 year remaining - UFA)
patric HORNQVIST - $713,333 (2 years remaining)* - sent to minors
jordan TOOTOO - $975,000 (2 years remaining) - traded to chicago
cal O'REILLY - $533,333 (1 year remaining - RFA)
jerred SMITHSON - $500,000 (1 year remaining - UFA)*
martin ERAT - $3,500,000 (2 years remaining - resigned RFA) - traded to anahiem
brandon BOCHENSKI - $900,000 (3 years remaining - resigned RFA)
rich PEVERLEY - $850,000 (2 years remaining - resigned RFA)* - sent to minors
corey PERRY - $5,750,000 (5 years remaining - resigned RFA) - acquired in trade
todd BERTUZZI - $4,000,000 (4 years remaining - UFA) - acquired in trade
michael BLUNDEN - $1,583,333 (1 year remaining - RFA) - acquired in trade
total: $29,710,523

defence
marek ZIDLICKY - $3,350,000 (2 years remaining)
greg DEVRIES - $2,500,000 (1 year remaining - UFA)
dan HAMHUIS - $2,000,000 (2 years remaining)
teemu LAAKSO - $800,000 (2 years remaining)* - sent to minors
greg ZANON - $725,000 (1 year remaining - UFA)
shea WEBER - $4,500,000 (3 years remaining - resigned RFA)
ryan SUTER - $3,500,000 (3 years remaining - resigned RFA) - traded to anaheim
ville KOISTINEN - $950,000 (2 years remaining - resigned RFA)
kevin KLEIN - $900,000 (2 years remaining - resigned RFA)
total: $14,925,000

goalies
chris MASON - $3,000,000 (2 years remaining)
pekka RINNE - $547,500 (1 year remaining - RFA)* - traded to los angeles
jonathan BERNIER - $871,667 (2 years remaining - RFA) - acquired in trade
total: $3,871,667

grand total: $48,507,190

*two-way contract

line-up
dumont - arnott - perry
bertuzzi - sullivan - radulov
fiddler - nichol - smithson
bochenski - peverley - blunden
bonk

hamhuis - weber
devries - zidlicky
zanon - koistinen
klein

mason
bernier

transactions
rfa signings:
shea weber (d): 3 year deal worth $4.5M / year
martin erat (rw): 2 year deal worth $3.5M / year
kevin klein (d): 2 year deal worth $900K / year
ryan suter (d): 3 year deal worth $3.5M / year
brandon bochenski (rw): 3 year deal worth $900K / year
ville koistinen (d): 2 year deal worth $950K / year
rich peverley (c): 2 year deal worth $850K / year - 2-way contract

trades:
nashville receives: corey perry and todd bertuzzi
anaheim receives: ryan suter and martin erat

nashville receives: jonathan bernier
los angeles receives: david legwand, pekka rinne, 2nd in '09, and 3rd in '10.

nashville receives: michael blunden, 3rd in '10
chicago receives: jordin tootoo

vipera1960 05-05-2008 12:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by papershoes (Post 14007385)
hey folks,
i am the gm in the recent free agent game taking place on the trades board.

i was just curious what you thought of my moves thus far and, if you have any suggestions for further moves.

forwards
jason ARNOTT - $4,500,000 (3 years remaining)
steve SULLIVAN - $3,200,000 (1 year remaining - UFA)
j.p. DUMONT - $4,000,000 (4 years remaining)
david LEGWAND - $4,500,000 (6 years remaining) - traded to los angeles
radek BONK - $1,475,000 (1 year remaining - UFA)
alexander RADULOV - $918,857 (1 year remaining - RFA)*
vernon FIDDLER - $850,000 (1 year remaining - UFA)
jed ORTMEYER - $750,000 (1 year remaining - UFA)
scott NICHOL - $750,000 (1 year remaining - UFA)
patric HORNQVIST - $713,333 (2 years remaining)* - sent to minors
jordan TOOTOO - $975,000 (2 years remaining) - traded to chicago
cal O'REILLY - $533,333 (1 year remaining - RFA)
jerred SMITHSON - $500,000 (1 year remaining - UFA)*
martin ERAT - $3,500,000 (2 years remaining - resigned RFA) - traded to anahiem
brandon BOCHENSKI - $900,000 (3 years remaining - resigned RFA)
rich PEVERLEY - $850,000 (2 years remaining - resigned RFA)* - sent to minors
corey PERRY - $5,750,000 (5 years remaining - resigned RFA) - acquired in trade
todd BERTUZZI - $4,000,000 (4 years remaining - UFA) - acquired in trade
michael BLUNDEN - $1,583,333 (1 year remaining - RFA) - acquired in trade
total: $29,710,523

defence
marek ZIDLICKY - $3,350,000 (2 years remaining)
greg DEVRIES - $2,500,000 (1 year remaining - UFA)
dan HAMHUIS - $2,000,000 (2 years remaining)
teemu LAAKSO - $800,000 (2 years remaining)* - sent to minors
greg ZANON - $725,000 (1 year remaining - UFA)
shea WEBER - $4,500,000 (3 years remaining - resigned RFA)
ryan SUTER - $3,500,000 (3 years remaining - resigned RFA) - traded to anaheim
ville KOISTINEN - $950,000 (2 years remaining - resigned RFA)
kevin KLEIN - $900,000 (2 years remaining - resigned RFA)
total: $14,925,000

goalies
chris MASON - $3,000,000 (2 years remaining)
pekka RINNE - $547,500 (1 year remaining - RFA)* - traded to los angeles
jonathan BERNIER - $871,667 (2 years remaining - RFA) - acquired in trade
total: $3,871,667

grand total: $48,507,190

*two-way contract

line-up
dumont - arnott - perry
bertuzzi - sullivan - radulov
fiddler - nichol - smithson
bochenski - peverley - blunden
bonk

hamhuis - weber
devries - zidlicky
zanon - koistinen
klein

mason
bernier

transactions
rfa signings:
shea weber (d): 3 year deal worth $4.5M / year
martin erat (rw): 2 year deal worth $3.5M / year
kevin klein (d): 2 year deal worth $900K / year
ryan suter (d): 3 year deal worth $3.5M / year
brandon bochenski (rw): 3 year deal worth $900K / year
ville koistinen (d): 2 year deal worth $950K / year
rich peverley (c): 2 year deal worth $850K / year - 2-way contract

trades:
nashville receives: corey perry and todd bertuzzi
anaheim receives: ryan suter and martin erat

nashville receives: jonathan bernier
los angeles receives: david legwand, pekka rinne, 2nd in '09, and 3rd in '10.

nashville receives: michael blunden, 3rd in '10
chicago receives: jordin tootoo

Ehh... You could have done better, but I'll give some credit since you're not a Preds fan, so you don't really know a lot about the Preds younger players. I think you overpaid a little trading Suter and Erat for Perry and a very much over-the-hill and over-paid Bertuzzi. You way overpaid for Bernier, though. He's a good prospect, but he's more than a year away from being a dependable starter. Yes, Legwand's contract isn't that great, but he doesn't really justify a salary dump, and Rinne is ready to play at least limited minutes in the NHL. I have no problem with the Tootoo for Blunden trade value-wise, but then you should have kept Hordichuk (no tough guys on the roster). Also (it doesn't really matter though) I would put Patric Hornqvist on the roster before O'Reilly and Blunden.

Joe T Choker 05-05-2008 12:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vipera1960 (Post 14008032)
Ehh... You could have done better, but I'll give some credit since you're not a Preds fan, so you don't really know a lot about the Preds younger players. I think you overpaid a little trading Suter and Erat for Perry and a very much over-the-hill and over-paid Bertuzzi. You way overpaid for Bernier, though. He's a good prospect, but he's more than a year away from being a dependable starter. Yes, Legwand's contract isn't that great, but he doesn't really justify a salary dump, and Rinne is ready to play at least limited minutes in the NHL. I have no problem with the Tootoo for Blunden trade value-wise, but then you should have kept Hordichuk (no tough guys on the roster). Also (it doesn't really matter though) I would put Patric Hornqvist on the roster before O'Reilly and Blunden.

not to mention that Sullivan won't ever suit up again for the Preds, except for in the booth

papershoes 05-05-2008 12:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vipera1960 (Post 14008032)
Ehh... You could have done better, but I'll give some credit since you're not a Preds fan, so you don't really know a lot about the Preds younger players. I think you overpaid a little trading Suter and Erat for Perry and a very much over-the-hill and over-paid Bertuzzi. You way overpaid for Bernier, though. He's a good prospect, but he's more than a year away from being a dependable starter. Yes, Legwand's contract isn't that great, but he doesn't really justify a salary dump, and Rinne is ready to play at least limited minutes in the NHL. I have no problem with the Tootoo for Blunden trade value-wise, but then you should have kept Hordichuk (no tough guys on the roster). Also (it doesn't really matter though) I would put Patric Hornqvist on the roster before O'Reilly and Blunden.

thanks for the input!

i thought the perry deal was pretty good. i fished around for jeff carter and wojtek wolski but, no bites. perry seemed like the best option. i didn't really want bertuzzi but, had to take him on as a salary dump by anahiem. (on a side note: i have a couple offers for bertuzzi including a couple picks / prospects). the way i see it, bertuzzi is an okay edition to the roster now (he had a decent season and seemed to somewhat find his game) but, after leaving as an ufa next year, will provide significant cap space to re-sign radulov. also, i was trying to move a couple other defenceman before moving suter but no-one was interested in devries, klein, koistinen, or zidlicky.

i definitely agree that i overpayed for bernier. i had a better deal on the table (that didn't involve legwand) but it was vetoed (though a trade sending lecavalier to florida for jokinen was allowed). the reason i went after bernier was that ellis wouldn't sign with nashville (instead signing with colorado) so, i needed to add someone that can be the tender of the future.

i agree with hornqvist - seems like an excellent player from what i've read. the line-up hasn't been finalized yet but, he's definitely in the mix.

any suggestions on other moves to make?

papershoes 05-05-2008 12:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fire Trotz (Post 14008188)
not to mention that Sullivan won't ever suit up again for the Preds, except for in the booth

sullivan was part of the original deal for jonathan bernier (as opposed to legwand) but, the deal was vetoed.

i have a potential trade in place sending sullivan to montreal for max pacioretty which would allow us to sign a free agent centre. but, i haven't heard back from montreal yet.

jimmy1100 05-05-2008 02:02 PM

Sorry man, you DID NOT overpay for Bernier. Regardless of his true value as a goaltender, he is viewed as THE goaltender in the Kings system (despite the fact that he's not playing yet and will probably see < 10 games this next season as well).

The fact that the trade originally had Steve Sullivan coming to LA before it was vetoed speaks volumes about whomever is 'playing' the Kings' GM role.

BigFatCat999 05-05-2008 02:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jimmy1100 (Post 14009622)
Sorry man, you DID NOT overpay for Bernier. Regardless of his true value as a goaltender, he is viewed as THE goaltender in the Kings system (despite the fact that he's not playing yet and will probably see < 10 games this next season as well).

The fact that the trade originally had Steve Sullivan coming to LA before it was vetoed speaks volumes about whomever is 'playing' the Kings' GM role.

Problem is that Rinne is the goalie of the future for Nashville.

vipera1960 05-05-2008 03:03 PM

The one thing I don't understand is why everyone on the main board is so high on Ellis. Sure, he was great the last two weeks of the regular season and the playoffs, but other than that he was kind of spotty (the Preds even went so far as to call up Rinne right before the hot stretch at the end). He would get red hot for a month, then be super cold for about as long. Couple that with the fact that he is not, as some people seem to think, capable of starting 65+ games (he has serious weight loss issues [i.e. losing 10-15 lbs during each game, and needing an IV every intermission]), and the fact that he only has one season of NHL experience, I don't see how he is going to get anything more than $2M in real life.
Quote:

Originally Posted by papershoes (Post 14008189)
thanks for the input!

i thought the perry deal was pretty good. i fished around for jeff carter and wojtek wolski but, no bites. perry seemed like the best option. i didn't really want bertuzzi but, had to take him on as a salary dump by anahiem. (on a side note: i have a couple offers for bertuzzi including a couple picks / prospects). the way i see it, bertuzzi is an okay edition to the roster now (he had a decent season and seemed to somewhat find his game) but, after leaving as an ufa next year, will provide significant cap space to re-sign radulov. also, i was trying to move a couple other defenceman before moving suter but no-one was interested in devries, klein, koistinen, or zidlicky.

i definitely agree that i overpayed for bernier. i had a better deal on the table (that didn't involve legwand) but it was vetoed (though a trade sending lecavalier to florida for jokinen was allowed). the reason i went after bernier was that ellis wouldn't sign with nashville (instead signing with colorado) so, i needed to add someone that can be the tender of the future.

i agree with hornqvist - seems like an excellent player from what i've read. the line-up hasn't been finalized yet but, he's definitely in the mix.

any suggestions on other moves to make?

I think the Perry trade was actually pretty close to value, I just thought maybe a pick would be coming back, but there's not much you can do when there are too many guys on the roster and no one wants any of the others.

IMO, Pekka Rinne is the goalie of the future for the Preds. Although his GAA and SV% are worse this year than last, he did lead the AHL in wins, despite playing behind a defense comprised of mostly first year pros. The real key here is that Rinne is ready to play in the NHL, and Bernier is not. If the Preds keep him on the roster, then they have Chris Mason starting 65+ games. I suppose it's possible that he could return to his previous form, but remember that two years ago he dominated the bottom feeders and was, well, less than spectacular against decent opponents. Also, it wouldn't make any sense for the Preds to keep him up if he's not going to play, which would mean they need someone to take the backup spot. The point of the AHL is so that young players, especially goalies and defensemen, can get some real playing time and professional experience without being a serious detriment to the team.

Quote:

Originally Posted by jimmy1100 (Post 14009622)
Sorry man, you DID NOT overpay for Bernier. Regardless of his true value as a goaltender, he is viewed as THE goaltender in the Kings system (despite the fact that he's not playing yet and will probably see < 10 games this next season as well).

The fact that the trade originally had Steve Sullivan coming to LA before it was vetoed speaks volumes about whomever is 'playing' the Kings' GM role.

That all depends on how you define "overpay." As far as what it would take to get him from the Kings, I agree a package like that would be needed. However, it just doesn't make sense for the Preds to trade that much for a player who is still a ways away from making a serious contribution in the NHL.

I don't really understand what grounds a trade involving Sullivan could be vetoed on, though. He still has a contract, and he's still getting paid. If everything involving him was not allowed, then the Malakhov trade from last year wouldn't have been allowed. I could understand, given the uncertainty of his situation and lack of public information on him, just pretending that he didn't exist, but I don't understand why one team has to be permanently and unavoidably handicapped by him.

The only thing I would suggest at this point is getting a tough guy who can fight. He doesn't have to be a real good player, just someone who makes around league minimum.

Enoch 05-05-2008 07:21 PM

I thought we got hosed in just about every trade, especially the first two. In fact....I really do not understand the reasoning behind any of the moves. The way I see it - you downgraded the offense and defense, while adding probably 8 million dollars more than the Predators would spend if standing pat. Additionally, you gave up Pekka Rinne and a 2nd round pick (third round picks were swapped). Yeah, Bernier is nice, but not at the price paid......and he doesn't help us right now. This team probably still makes the playoff, but I don't see them as being any better to be honest.

I hate to be so critical, but in my opinion, you went about improving the Predators the wrong way.

papershoes 05-06-2008 09:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Enoch (Post 14013825)
I thought we got hosed in just about every trade, especially the first two. In fact....I really do not understand the reasoning behind any of the moves. The way I see it - you downgraded the offense and defense, while adding probably 8 million dollars more than the Predators would spend if standing pat. Additionally, you gave up Pekka Rinne and a 2nd round pick (third round picks were swapped). Yeah, Bernier is nice, but not at the price paid......and he doesn't help us right now. This team probably still makes the playoff, but I don't see them as being any better to be honest.

I hate to be so critical, but in my opinion, you went about improving the Predators the wrong way.

being critical is a good thing. if i didn't want input from preds fans, i wouldn't have posted - so, i appreciate the feedback (whether positive or negative). you folks certainly have greater insight into the team then i do (a lowly habs fan).

alot of the trades / free agent signings were pretty crazy so, i tried to be at least semi-realistic. as such, here is my reasoning behind the trades.

i felt as though the corey perry trade was pretty decent. though i really didn't want to trade suter from the outset, he was easily the most tradeable asset (no-one was interested in any other preds defenceman). perry provides an instant upgrade to the offence, making the top-six a much better unit. losing suter on defence is certainly a big hit but, i felt as though guys like klein, koistinen, laakso, and maybe franson could step up admirably. essentially, i was trying to strengthen the weaker forward group by trading from an area of strength (defence). i really didn't want to take on bertuzzi and his salary, and wasn't intending on trading erat but, they were necessary to get the job done.

the more i read about rinne, the more i wish i had more coming back to the preds in the bernier trade. i really like bernier, and feel he will be an absolutely dynamite goalie in the future, but after the original trade was vetoed, the asking price increased (i.e., legwand). in retrospect, i should have removed the 2nd round pick. i still believe this will play huge dividends in the end (though may not necessarily help now).

also to note, i have added two more transactions to the roster:
- someone mentioned adding toughness, so georges laraque has been signed to a one year contract.
- i traded steve sullivan to montreal for power forward prospect max pacioretty

nine_inch_fang 05-06-2008 09:21 PM

Can the Preds get Laraque in real life. oh oh oh oh oh please please please please please please please

BigFatCat999 05-07-2008 07:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nine_inch_fang (Post 14026561)
Can the Preds get Laraque in real life. oh oh oh oh oh please please please please please please please

That would be a nice upgrade over Darcy Hordichuk. I could live with that. :yo:


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