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toshiro 05-13-2008 09:49 AM

Grabs vs Hudler
 
How does grabs compare to Hudler. Placing Grabs between 2 slabs on the 4th may not be a bad idea. Grabs, Begin and Laps could fly and use speed to burn.

jcpenny 05-13-2008 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by toshiro (Post 14093657)
How does grabs compare to Hudler. Placing Grabs between 2 slabs on the 4th may not be a bad idea. Grabs, Begin and Laps could fly and use speed to burn.

Good thread. Both are pretty similar and id say that Grabs has more speed. Difference is that Babcock is not scared to play his skill players and Carbo prefers to live and die with grinders...

Mo 05-13-2008 10:13 AM

Difference is Hudler is simply better. Hudler is more physical, better defensively, has better hands... he is simply a better version of Grabs.

Blind Gardien 05-13-2008 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by jcpenny (Post 14093759)
Good thread. Both are pretty similar and id say that Grabs has more speed.

I agree, it's a good comparison and a thought-provoking one.
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Difference is that Babcock is not scared to play his skill players and Carbo prefers to live and die with grinders...
Well I think Babcock has a lot more insulation for a guy like Hudler/Grabovski than Carbo does. The top skill guys on Detroit are also Selke candidates and the whole team is just rock-solid on D and puck possession. They can get away better with initiating a young skill guy in the lineup. It's not like their Draper line or other grinders get left out of the mix either, though. We don't have the same easy situation, and maybe we actually rely more on our lower lines to make grit and defensive contributions, and have less margin of error for initiating a skill guy there. But the depth is growing, and maybe we'll soon be in a better position to try it. I wouldn't call it a "preference" of Carbo's, just a natural acceptance of the reality that we're not quite ready yet.

mcphee 05-13-2008 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Mo (Post 14093788)
Difference is Hudler is simply better. Hudler is more physical, better defensively, has better hands... he is simply a better version of Grabs.

probably due to 3-4 years, or so it seems of spot duty and gradually taking on a bit more of a role. Let's be honest though, if Hudler was a bit better, he'd be playing top 6 minutes, he's not been able to grab and keep that type of job. Not yet anyways.

anarmandaleb 05-13-2008 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by mcphee (Post 14093857)
probably due to 3-4 years, or so it seems of spot duty and gradually taking on a bit more of a role. Let's be honest though, if Hudler was a bit better, he'd be playing top 6 minutes, he's not been able to grab and keep that type of job. Not yet anyways.

Do you think Grabs has the potential to do that?

OP: great topic, by the way.

Judge Sauer* 05-13-2008 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by mcphee (Post 14093857)
probably due to 3-4 years, or so it seems of spot duty and gradually taking on a bit more of a role. Let's be honest though, if Hudler was a bit better, he'd be playing top 6 minutes, he's not been able to grab and keep that type of job. Not yet anyways.

When the other players that could play center are Datsyuk, Draper, Fillipula and Franzen, it's pretty difficult to hold on to the 2nd line.

mcphee 05-13-2008 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by anarmandaleb (Post 14093933)
Do you think Grabs has the potential to do that?

OP: great topic, by the way.

I really have no idea. I know what Toshiro's doing, he's watching the Wings series and projecting. I do the same.

I think Blind Gardien probably has it right though. It's a question of extremes. If your best player is a 100 point guy, you can afford more of of tough guy presence on a 4th line, or a breakaway type of offensive player.

If you have an elite shutdown line, you can mix a guy like Grabovski with a guy like Laraque [example] As our lineup stands, TK isn't a legit tough guy, but the team needs the little bit of everything he brings. If a Chipchura and Lapierre stpped up and became a duo that could play against the Ovechkin/Backstom's, you wouldn't be as worried about 4 line balance.

I think Hudler has been brought in slowly enough and it's been drilled into him that if he wants to play, he has to buy into a system. I don't know if Grabs has that dimension or willingness.

He has a certain ammount of talent though, so I'd like him to stick around to see what develops.

mcphee 05-13-2008 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Judge Sauer (Post 14093948)
When the other players that could play center are Datsyuk, Draper, Fillipula and Franzen, it's pretty difficult to hold on to the 2nd line.

Datsyuk obviously, but the other jobs were out there to win. Draper isn't the player he was 3-4 years ago though he's still valuable, Fillipula arrived and just leapfrogged over Hudler didn't he ? Cleary plays C and Franzen wing, I believe, but they're an example of players slotted into roles. If Hudler was deemed capable of putting up Plekanec type production, he'd be in that role, I would think. I'm speculating as I don't see the Red Wings all that much, but that's how I see them doing things.

That's a big Scotty Bowman thing, understanding the right role for certain players.

Monctonscout 05-13-2008 11:03 AM

Detroit is a great example that the myth that you need a pile of NA plugs to crash and bang is just a myth.

I think the Habs could give the Pens a much better run than PHillie is.

Megaforce 05-13-2008 11:10 AM

Great topic!

Grabbo was scoring two points per game in Hamilton. The guy has serious skills and yet we were playing that old clown Dandeno instead. Crazy, crazy. Here's my favourite Grabovski goal.

toshiro 05-13-2008 11:10 AM

The idea that throwaway 3rd and 4th lines of goofballs is a thing of the past. Sure the Habs need more size/grit etc but all lines need to score. Having a Streit and a Grabs on the third and 4th line makes sense. The Habs do need some grit with speed and or skill though. Maybe Wyman, Laps, Lats, Chip can fill those roles. Trading for a Moreau, Kesler or a Penner would be great.

anarmandaleb 05-13-2008 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Megaforce (Post 14094266)
Great topic!

Grabbo was scoring two points per game in Hamilton. The guy has serious skills and yet we were playing that old clown Dandeno instead. Crazy, crazy. Here's my favourite Grabovski goal.

I hate you.

Licou 05-13-2008 11:36 AM

Well, what ever you want to say, Hudler is definetly a stronger man than Grabovsky. He might be small, but he is bulky and doesn't seem to get pushed of the puck with a simple sneeze.. Unlike our Mikhal...

DoMakc 05-13-2008 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Licou (Post 14094499)
Well, what ever you want to say, Hudler is definetly a stronger man than Grabovsky. He might be small, but he is bulky and doesn't seem to get pushed of the puck with a simple sneeze.. Unlike our Mikhal...

That is the point, Hudler can handle NHL physically.

Actually, he is a role player - he gets the pionts on the second PP unit, and can bring some offence playing on 4th line against other 4th liners. Babcock tried him as scoring winger this season with Filppula on 2nd line, at some point with Datsyuk, but Jiri struggled and coudn't produce.

Grabs main asset is speed, but he hasn't enough room to use it properly.

The other point is Hudler spent 3 seasons in the AHL, so he is better prepared for NHL.

FerrisRox 05-13-2008 08:17 PM

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Originally Posted by toshiro (Post 14093657)
How does grabs compare to Hudler. Placing Grabs between 2 slabs on the 4th may not be a bad idea. Grabs, Begin and Laps could fly and use speed to burn.

I would say the only department Grabovski is better then Hudler would be footspeed.

Hudler is worlds better defensively, has a lot more sandpaper to his game, has better hands, better vision and not only can handle the physical end of the NHL, but he can also initiate it.

Hudler to me is a much better player then Grabovski.

The problem is, for Grabovski to have a chance to become a player like Hudler - and I'm not sure he can - he would need to spend more time in the American Hockey League working on his game. He doesn't seem to think that's the case.

Guillemin 05-13-2008 08:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Megaforce (Post 14094266)
Great topic!

Grabbo was scoring two points per game in Hamilton. The guy has serious skills and yet we were playing that old clown Dandeno instead. Crazy, crazy. Here's my favourite Grabovski goal.

Serious question.

Is this literally all that you post?

300 some copies of the same tired, unfunny joke?

CPrice 05-13-2008 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by anarmandaleb (Post 14094374)
I hate you.

I second that.

Ice Poutine 05-13-2008 09:02 PM

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Originally Posted by pam19 (Post 14100783)
What is the joke?:sarcasm:

Click the link in Megaforce's post...


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