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WestIslander 05-16-2008 06:31 AM

Trevor Timmins as a GM
 
Do you think Trevor Timmins will ever become a GM in the NHL?

In my opinion, he would definitely be a candidate to take over the job in Montreal when Bob Gainey retires or be lured by another team in the future.

Discuss!

Blades 0f Steel 05-16-2008 06:46 AM

I think they'll both be with the club for another 10 years, building on their success.

WestIslander 05-16-2008 06:55 AM

I can see Montreal taking a page out of Detroit's book and being a competitive team for years to come (a la 70's with Pollock).

GoneAway 05-16-2008 07:04 AM

I was under the impression that Julien Brisebois was the heir apparent

WestIslander 05-16-2008 07:09 AM

No, he is the "Cap Specialist" and the lawyer behind all the contracts and terms with players etc.

WestIslander 05-16-2008 07:12 AM

From CANADIENS.com

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Born on January 24, 1977 in Greenfield Park, BriseBois’ duties include all aspects of contract preparation and negotiation, salary arbitration and player transactions. He also oversees the interpretation of the NHL’s Collective Bargaining Agreement and League Rules and assesses their impact on day-to-day operations.

GoneAway 05-16-2008 07:12 AM

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Originally Posted by WestIslander (Post 14127247)
No, he is the "Cap Specialist" and the lawyer behind all the contracts and terms with players etc.

Hmm well he is the GM in Hamilton. As per this fine website:

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The Bulldogs have a new General Manager in a move that represents a shift from the Habs' traditional management structure. In the past the Canadiens GM would also be the GM of the farm team. This year, presumably due to the increasingly deep pool of prospects in the minor league system, marks this first time that two people will hold these roles. Bob Gainey, of course, remains in Montreal, but the Canadiens' VP-Hockey Operations Julian Brisebois will assume control of the Hamilton franchise.

At 30 years old, Brisebois is the youngest GM in the AHL, but he's supported by a well-regarded returning coaching staff. Both head coach Don Lever and assistant coach Ron Wilson are back to defend their AHL title.

WestIslander 05-16-2008 07:28 AM

He's successful for his age and is probably making serious coin!

Good for him, if he can be Gainey's protégé then I wouldn't mind either one of them in the future (as long as we don't have another Rejean Houle).

toshiro 05-16-2008 07:57 AM

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Originally Posted by WestIslander (Post 14127156)
Do you think Trevor Timmins will ever become a GM in the NHL?

In my opinion, he small cvhange compared to the overall budgetwould definitely be a candidate to take over the job in Montreal when Bob Gainey retires or be lured by another team in the future.

Discuss!

He may not enjoy other parts of the job. He should be paid at least a million a year based on his performance as a retention strategy This is
small change compared to the overall budget He could also work out of vermont if this allows for lower taxes.

WestIslander 05-16-2008 08:06 AM

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He may not enjoy other parts of the job. He should be paid at least a million a year based on his performance as a retention strategy This is
small change compared to the overall budget He could also work out of vermont if this allows for lower taxes.
A million a year is too much for his position and working out of Vermont would be tough in his position because of the constant travel and upkeep with the team etc.

toshiro 05-16-2008 08:09 AM

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Originally Posted by WestIslander (Post 14127511)
A million a year is too much for his position and working out of Vermont would be tough in his position because of the constant travel and upkeep with the team etc.

p Change for how important he is He wou;ld get a milliopn as a GM Barry Fraser works out of Mexico as you said there is humungous travel so it doesnt matter where he lives he also needs to spend more time in sweden Do the Habs ahve adequate scouts in Europe?A million is chumo

LilWinger11 05-16-2008 08:25 AM

I had no idea Julien Brisebois was so young. He's not even five years older than me! That's really impressive.

WestIslander 05-16-2008 08:38 AM

Yeah, at the age of 30 he is a Lawyer, a GM of a professional hockey team (Hamilton Bulldogs) Director of Operations with the Canadiens and is making six figures guaranteed.

Marc the Habs Fan 05-16-2008 08:45 AM

Well, during one of the games late in the season Pedneault said ''there is no doubt'' Julien Brisebois will one day be a NHL GM.

Timmins definitely has the eye for talent needed to be a GM, but does he have the rest of the package needed? (CBA knowledge, managing a payroll, managing the hockey operations, negotiating trades and contracts, the contacts you need around the league, getting the right 'feel' for what the team needs now and going forward, patience, leadership, putting in place a plan and strategy, etc)

Kachino 05-16-2008 08:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Marc the Habs Fan (Post 14127725)
Well, during one of the games late in the season Pedneault said ''there is no doubt'' Julien Brisebois will one day be a NHL GM.

Timmins definitely has the eye for talent needed to be a GM, but does he have the rest of the package needed? (CBA knowledge, managing a payroll, managing the hockey operations, negotiating trades and contracts, the contacts you need around the league, getting the right 'feel' for what the team needs now and going forward, patience, leadership, putting in place a plan and strategy, etc)

+ handling the pressure of being the Montreal Canadiens GM...

WestIslander 05-16-2008 08:52 AM

Also having business sense, these days, most GM's are Lawyers or have MBA's and have business sense like CEO's.

Squeaky 05-16-2008 08:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Marc the Habs Fan (Post 14127725)
Well, during one of the games late in the season Pedneault said ''there is no doubt'' Julien Brisebois will one day be a NHL GM.

Timmins definitely has the eye for talent needed to be a GM, but does he have the rest of the package needed? (CBA knowledge, managing a payroll, managing the hockey operations, negotiating trades and contracts, the contacts you need around the league, getting the right 'feel' for what the team needs now and going forward, patience, leadership, putting in place a plan and strategy, etc)

I couldn't agree more with this. I think Timmins is already in the job he is best suited for, and it seems obvious to me that Brisebois is in training to be a GM some day.

The Timmins-to-be-a-gm thing seems to crop up fairly often around here. I see people worrying every now and then that some other team might try to poach him to be their GM. Personally, I just don't see why people are all that concerned. Timmins is a great evaluator of talent, but how big a part of a GMs job is that really? GMs having scouting staffs specifically so that they don't need to be all that involved in scouting. I think being a good GM has a lot more to do with building an effective team, attracting quality players, and managing the teams finances/cap/contracts properly. Timmins is a great scout, but I've seen nothing to make me think he's particularly adept at those things.

Habitants 05-16-2008 09:04 AM

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Originally Posted by WestIslander (Post 14127256)
From CANADIENS.comBorn on January 24, 1977 in Greenfield Park, BriseBois’ duties include all aspects of contract preparation and negotiation, salary arbitration and player transactions. He also oversees the interpretation of the NHL’s Collective Bargaining Agreement and League Rules and assesses their impact on day-to-day operations.

hey im from GPK TOO!:yo:

Timmins is cool, but i dont think he is ready to be a GM anytime soon. but maybe in the future, dont know if it will be for the habs.

Pere Noel 05-16-2008 11:35 AM

Patrick Roy.

Licou 05-16-2008 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Pere Noel (Post 14129009)
Patrick Roy.

As a GM?

Care to give one kick ass argumentation? :dunno:

David_99 05-16-2008 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Licou (Post 14129058)
As a GM?

Care to give one kick ass argumentation? :dunno:

If he had been with the Habs these playoffs, he'd have sent Price to kick Biron's ass.

Fido22 05-16-2008 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by David_99 (Post 14129096)
If he had been with the Habs these playoffs, he'd have sent Price to kick Biron's ass.

No, no, he would have been just waving at something in the stands.

Oh, and I don't get the Brisebois hype.

Oh, and yes I'm jealous.

:D

sandman08 05-16-2008 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Fido22 (Post 14129152)
No, no, he would have been just waving at something in the stands.

Oh, and I don't get the Brisebois hype.

Oh, and yes I'm jealous.

:D

jealous dogs are always bad news.

anyways.. on topic..
why is it nhl gms tend to usually be former players or agents as opposed to talent evaluators whereas in the nfl you see a lot of talent guys (guys who were head scouts or in charge of some aspect of scouting) become gm's more often (at least, at first glance it seems that way to me, if im wrong.. i apologize)

Melvin Udall 05-16-2008 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by WestIslander (Post 14127156)
Do you think Trevor Timmins will ever become a GM in the NHL?

In my opinion, he would definitely be a candidate to take over the job in Montreal when Bob Gainey retires or be lured by another team in the future.

Discuss!

Hard to say.

Many people thought that David Conti (NJ Devils head scout) would some day become a NHL GM as per his talent scouting abilities.

But, being a GM means wearing a lot more hats that just scouting for talent. Today more than ever, contract negotiations take up a lot of a GM's time.

When a guy loves what he does ( scouting) and is good at it, he may (as long as the $$$$$$ is good) decide to continue doing what he not only likes best, but is really best at doing -- scouting talent! :nod:

hab 4ever 05-16-2008 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Marc the Habs Fan (Post 14127725)
Well, during one of the games late in the season Pedneault said ''there is no doubt'' Julien Brisebois will one day be a NHL GM.

Timmins definitely has the eye for talent needed to be a GM, but does he have the rest of the package needed? (CBA knowledge, managing a payroll, managing the hockey operations, negotiating trades and contracts, the contacts you need around the league, getting the right 'feel' for what the team needs now and going forward, patience, leadership, putting in place a plan and strategy, etc)

Great point. I think Gainey-Brisebois could be similar to Lacroix-Giguère in terms of the nurturing the next guy. Although I don't see Gainey stepping down before at LEAST 5 years (and I sure hope he stays on the job for longer).


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