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I Am Chariot 05-21-2008 11:18 PM

Rumor: Jagr offered $12,000,000 by Dynamo Moscow
 
http://mirtle.blogspot.com/2008/05/c...new-super.html


The Euro league waiving its own cap rules for Jagr?


This sucks if true.

I Am Chariot 05-21-2008 11:19 PM

I'm not ready for a Jagr-less NY Rangers

Carlos Ranger 05-21-2008 11:21 PM

Take the money and go Jags. If Slats tries to match this he's a dummy.. he's barely worth half that.

I Am Chariot 05-21-2008 11:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DruMez (Post 14179774)
Take the money and go Jags. If Slats tries to match this he's a dummy.. he's barely worth half that.

Match? He's not allowed to match that kind of $$$, even if he wanted to.

in the hall 05-21-2008 11:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Chariot (Post 14179782)
Match? He's not allowed to match that kind of $$$, even if he wanted to.

That baffled me as well. It amazes me how little some fans know.

Carlos Ranger 05-21-2008 11:28 PM

I know what the max salary is. that is why I said if he *tries* to.. meaning there shouldn't even be negotiations if that kind of money is already being offered by another team.

HockeyBasedNYC 05-21-2008 11:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Chariot (Post 14179766)
I'm not ready for a Jagr-less NY Rangers

I am.

I Am Chariot 05-21-2008 11:29 PM

Eh I'll get use to it I suppose...

Hello Good Hossa?

hlundqvist30* 05-21-2008 11:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DruMez (Post 14179818)
I know what the max salary is. that is why I said if he *tries* to.. meaning there shouldn't even be negotiations if that kind of money is already being offered by another team.

Jagr and his agent aren't idiots. They know they are looking at something around half of what Moscow offered him. I guarantee Jagr is a Ranger next season.

HockeyBasedNYC 05-21-2008 11:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Chariot (Post 14179830)
Eh I'll get use to it I suppose...

Hello Good Hossa?

Dont want him either.

Why is everyone convinced that Hossa wants to play in New York and the Rangers will actually outbid everyone AGAIN in July to get him?
:shakehead

I Am Chariot 05-21-2008 11:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HockeyBasedNYC (Post 14179859)
Dont want him either.

Why is everyone convinced that Hossa wants to play in New York and the Rangers will actually outbid everyone AGAIN in July to get him?
:shakehead


Im not. Infact I would be surprised if he came here. But without Jagr and/or a very significant replacement the Rangers will be hurting

poeman 05-22-2008 12:03 AM

good bye jagr

Inferno 05-22-2008 12:14 AM

if jagr goes, you most definitely accelerate the rebuild by going with a 4 line balanced attack instead of focusing on building one or 2 powerhouse lines.

nyrmessier011 05-22-2008 12:38 AM

This is the dumbest thing I have EVER heard. A russian team offers a 36 year old 12 million US Dollars to play hockey. I will bet my net worth that jagr--in what we call "REALITY"-- has not been offered anywhere near this amount. wake up if you believe this. this is worse than USSR ****

Smashley 05-22-2008 12:42 AM

I love JJ and would love to see him come back, however I don't think this team will grow at all with him still being on the bench. Unless he doubles this seasons stats, or our power play becomes #1, I see our club not going any farther next season than we did this season.


As far as the money... wow thats alot of zeros.

mike14 05-22-2008 12:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nyrmessier011 (Post 14180275)
This is the dumbest thing I have EVER heard. A russian team offers a 36 year old 12 million US Dollars to play hockey. I will bet my net worth that jagr--in what we call "REALITY"-- has not been offered anywhere near this amount. wake up if you believe this. this is worse than USSR ****

Why? Maybe the team has sponsers lined up if they can land Jagr and between that and extra ticket sales, merch etc the club/owner stands to make a lot of money....

FLYLine24* 05-22-2008 01:30 AM

James Mirtle reported this rumor...all I can say is...who??


I dont buy it.

rangerfan_79 05-22-2008 01:48 AM

I have a hard time believing JJ would sign over in that league.

Their marquee signings were Chris Simon & John Grahame.

In interviews (which I don't have links for) he has stated 2 more year in NHL then he will be in the Czech promoting the program over there.

Will he be with the Rangers? Not sure.

Just stating what appears to be the obvious.

Thanks

Sad London Ranger 05-22-2008 04:28 AM

This is a very serious topic - dear Hockey fans.
I wrote about this couple years ago and it was fobbed off as non sense.

There is a cataclysmic shift of forces going on. The Russians with whom I am dealing with are not only very proud and patriotic but they are also filthy rich. The price of crude oil, natural gas, gold etc has risen and will keep on rising. in their national pride they want to be 2nd to noone.

Hockey in towns such as Omsk, Ufa, Salavat, Kazan is pretty much the only entertainment there is amongst drab polluted every day life. the middle class is slowly getting on their feet. The oligarchs use the hockey clubs as another measuring stick of their ego and Mojo. After having bought 3 super yachts, 5 planes, 2 football clubs - hockey is next. First of all they want to one up their oligarch buddies like they do in the horse racing in the Middle East or UK. then they want to one up the North americans because they don't want to be treated as provicial morons. so fully expect them to start buying up north american franchises...hockey,
baseball just to prove they can....

In Ufa you can't play football or race horses nor play soccer in winter time, but you will find thousand of keen working class people to fervently support their local hockey team.

So I say again...just as the NHL has started to self impose salary caps to allow a socialist profit sharing the russians will shower Dollars on the unsuspecting free agents to lure them away with unequalled capitalist fervor. I am not surprised 12 myn were allegedly offered to Jagr the news strategically leaked into the market during Jagr's negotiations with the Rangers.

I still believe Jagr will continue to play for the Rangers. He has more money than he could spend in 5 life times in his homeland where he will be a national hero regardless.
Money is no longer his main objective. He wants to be evaluated fairly but he wants to be a legend most of all.

But other players will take the bait, and they will no longer be your fringe players such as Yashin, Yushkevitch, Morozov. there will be many Canadians, american going over there soon. The Czechs, Slovaks, Fins and Swedes are already there. Now the
Russian clubs will up the ante and go for the Stars.

The race for the talent pool is on. Underestimate it at your own peril.

zestystrat 05-22-2008 06:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Happy London Ranger (Post 14180858)
This is a very serious topic - dear Hockey fans.
I wrote about this couple years ago and it was fobbed off as non sense.

There is a cataclysmic shift of forces going on. The Russians with whom I am dealing with are not only very proud and patriotic but they are also filthy rich. The price of crude oil, natural gas, gold etc has risen and will keep on rising. in their national pride they want to be 2nd to noone.

Hockey in towns such as Omsk, Ufa, Salavat, Kazan is pretty much the only entertainment there is amongst drab polluted every day life. the middle class is slowly getting on their feet. The oligarchs use the hockey clubs as another measuring stick of their ego and Mojo. After having bought 3 super yachts, 5 planes, 2 football clubs - hockey is next. First of all they want to one up their oligarch buddies like they do in the horse racing in the Middle East or UK. then they want to one up the North americans because they don't want to be treated as provicial morons. so fully expect them to start buying up north american franchises...hockey,
baseball just to prove they can....

In Ufa you can't play football or race horses nor play soccer in winter time, but you will find thousand of keen working class people to fervently support their local hockey team.

So I say again...just as the NHL has started to self impose salary caps to allow a socialist profit sharing the russians will shower Dollars on the unsuspecting free agents to lure them away with unequalled capitalist fervor. I am not surprised 12 myn were allegedly offered to Jagr the news strategically leaked into the market during Jagr's negotiations with the Rangers.

I still believe Jagr will continue to play for the Rangers. He has more money than he could spend in 5 life times in his homeland where he will be a national hero regardless.
Money is no longer his main objective. He wants to be evaluated fairly but he wants to be a legend most of all.

But other players will take the bait, and they will no longer be your fringe players such as Yashin, Yushkevitch, Morozov. there will be many Canadians, american going over there soon. The Czechs, Slovaks, Fins and Swedes are already there. Now the
Russian clubs will up the ante and go for the Stars.

The race for the talent pool is on. Underestimate it at your own peril.

I read the below article (link obtained from the Blueshirt Bulletin) and thought "something's happening overseas, and it's worth keeping an eye on." Even if only half of it is true.

http://mirtle.blogspot.com/2008/05/c...new-super.html

free0717 05-22-2008 06:57 AM

If this is true, Jags is gone.

DubiDubiDoo 05-22-2008 07:09 AM

Anyone can tell just by the way jagr stepped up in the playoffs, that he wants something meaningful, and thats one last cup....
he wont take 12 mill just to be the biggest name in a league, that "circus" money will be there whenever he leaves the nhl...

if i'm wrong so be it, i'll admit i misjudged him, but all signs point to wanting a stanley cup fairwell...

Melrose_Jr. 05-22-2008 07:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nyrmessier011 (Post 14180275)
This is the dumbest thing I have EVER heard. A russian team offers a 36 year old 12 million US Dollars to play hockey. I will bet my net worth that jagr--in what we call "REALITY"-- has not been offered anywhere near this amount. wake up if you believe this. this is worse than USSR ****

It could be subsidized by the league as well. The RSL wants to position itself as an NHL alternative, but it's hard to do on the backs of players who have simply been forced out of the league. Actually prying on of the NHL's top talents away would be a major coup and raise their profile significantly in the hockey world.

Sad London Ranger 05-22-2008 08:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Melrose_Jr. (Post 14181277)
It could be subsidized by the league as well. The RSL wants to position itself as an NHL alternative, but it's hard to do on the backs of players who have simply been forced out of the league. Actually prying on of the NHL's top talents away would be a major coup and raise their profile significantly in the hockey world.


Melrose - we agree initially it was and will be fringe talent only.
But Russians do not settle for 2nd best. they've got the Olympics, they have got the Championsleague finals (which made absolutely no sense at all - 60.000 brits travelling to Moscow to see their teams play). The Russian want it and they will pay for it. Often it is not even matter of economics, just political desire and pride.

From what the article says the european clubs are interested and why not. couple teams in switzerland aside they are not making money.

so we talked about the NHL expanding -selling its brand in Europe. Most of you fans said nonsense. well if Nhl won't do it the Russian probably will.

having just won the WC they will be reinforced in their drive. Their ambitions know
no limits

Forechecker 05-22-2008 08:26 AM

Funny thing is, eventually real economics have to come into play, and the Russian oligarchs and gas impresarios will eventually face reality. What then? Also, rumor has it that Yashin, among others, weren't all that happy playing in Russian back-waters, no matter what the money, and are seeking to return to the NHL.

Yes, there probably will be a period where high-level NHL talent will be courted by the KHL, but how many players really want to spend their winter in Siberia? Or the heart of the Ural mountains? Part of the allure of the NHL is the lifestyle of either major US cities and/or warm weather/resort locations. Many of these players have just enough ego that playing in the media spotlight, no matter how small, of North America is worth at least one contract.

If the KHL gives these types of contracts on a regular basis, they will be bankrupt in a few years. Every bubble bursts at some point.


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