HFBoards

HFBoards (http://hfboards.hockeysfuture.com/index.php)
-   Montreal Canadiens (http://hfboards.hockeysfuture.com/forumdisplay.php?f=16)
-   -   What the Habs need MOST! (http://hfboards.hockeysfuture.com/showthread.php?t=522723)

sampollock 06-07-2008 08:07 PM

What the Habs need MOST!
 
Hi there, I am a habs fan for 34 years.

And this team needs a big centre, scoring......

At what point will Bob go and find one?

Garnet 06-07-2008 08:20 PM

The biggest need is experience and a little more grit. Size is overrated in my opinion look at the Red Wings.

Doc Hock 06-07-2008 08:20 PM

another perspective

Higgins Koivu Hossa

Rolston Plecs Kovy

S.Kots Grabs A.Kost

Lappy Chips Stewart



doc hock

icerocket 06-07-2008 08:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sampollock (Post 14341874)
Hi there, I am a habs fan for 34 years.

And this team needs a big centre, scoring......

At what point will Bob go and find one?

Yes I hear that they are on sale at Wal-Mart this weekend. Hopefully Gainey gets on his pogo stick (he doesn't drive a car because he is an idiot who doesn't know what he is doing) and goes there. I don't know if he'll be willing to spend that extra 10$ for that big centre that guarantees a cup but hopefully he takes his idiot proof medication. :sarcasm:

Jee 06-07-2008 08:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sampollock (Post 14341874)
Hi there, I am a habs fan for 34 years.

And this team needs a big centre, scoring......

At what point will Bob go and find one?

last time i checked, we finished first in scoring last season.

plus, look at this:

Pavel Datsyuk = 5'11 - Saku Koivu = 5'10
Kris Draper = 5'10 - Tomas Plekanec = 5'10
Johan Franzen = 6'3 - Bryan Smolinski = 6'1 / Kyle Chipchura = 6'2
Valtteri Filppula = 6'0 - Maxim Lapièrre = 6'2 / Steve Bégin = 6'0

we are not THAT small...


IMO we only need experience... and a superstar

ChemiseBleuHonnete 06-07-2008 08:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sampollock (Post 14341874)
Hi there, I am a habs fan for 34 years.

And this team needs a big centre, scoring......

At what point will Bob go and find one?

not this crap again

Roulin 06-07-2008 08:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sampollock (Post 14341874)
Hi there, I am a habs fan for 34 years.

And this team needs a big centre, scoring......

At what point will Bob go and find one?

I've asked this of a few people, but I still don't understand: why would adding size at center help the Habs win games more than adding size on the wings? Not bashing your post, I just want to hear the rationale behind it.

That said, Pat Marleau had an unlucky season in 07-08. He's due for a bounce back, and if the Sharks are going to trade him, he'll probably go for less than he's worth.

Of course, if Sundin's available, he's worth breaking the bank for.

Blades 0f Steel 06-07-2008 08:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sampollock (Post 14341874)
Hi there, I am a habs fan for 34 years.

And this team needs a big centre, scoring......

At what point will Bob go and find one?

June 23rd, 11:23PM.

Ice Poutine 06-07-2008 09:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KostitsyntheBagBaby (Post 14342142)
June 23rd, 11:23PM.

Give or take 4.2 minutes.

kostitsyn1489 06-07-2008 11:22 PM

I'd say...

1- First line Center
2- Top 6 physical Winger
3- Top pairing Defencemen
4- Depth in net
5- Stay at home defencemen

Things we are set

1- #1 Goalie
2- Offensive defencemen/PP specialist
3- Scoring winger
4- Shutdown Center
5- Fourth line plugger

Analyzer 06-07-2008 11:43 PM

Actually, we might need some big centre in depth, like prospect, but we need someone to go to the front of the net and who has hands to be able to tap a rebound in, or dig the puck out of the corner.

Brownies 06-08-2008 12:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KostitsyntheBagBaby (Post 14342142)
June 23rd, 11:23PM.

The number 23 is following me since that famous 23 april....

jcpenny 06-08-2008 12:18 AM

Our first two lines are ok, i would not be mad if we'd get another top 6 forward but it is not a priority. A big center? Overrated. The Wings had Datsyuk, Filpulla and Draper in the middle. Speed, grit and smarts are key.

What we need is simple; more depth in our 3 and 4 line and another top 4 Dman.

Whitesnake 06-08-2008 12:30 AM

Size is not overrated. Maybe thinking that size comes automatically with strength and grit, that's overrated. Obviously if you can have a guy who's strong as hell without being 6'4'' so be it but chances are a big guy will more easily sustain a tougher calendar, will be better at protecting the puck and will win his battles along the boards more easily.

Again, sure there are examples of smaller guys who protects the puck incredibly well and examples of tall guys who ain't strong enough, but chances are they won't.

Sure the Wings didn't have big centermen. But they had the luxury to have in their ranks 2 of the best 2-way players to ever played the game. Since it's pretty tough to obtain such kind of players, you have to put chances on your side. Then, we need to realize that we're not playing the same system. Wings control the puck....we chase it. So either we change our system, either we realize that we don't have the grit, the strength and the size to chase and retrieve it.

Sure give me a full lineup of 6'0'' who are the strongest out there and I won't mind. But I still believe that size is usually paired with other things like strength and grit. If not, those are the kinds of players I don't want.

DrMailloux 06-08-2008 12:53 AM

We need a 3rd line that can score goals.
We need a better PK.
We need a solid 3rd pair D

I think the best way to get a good 3rd line is to get another quality forward like Sundin then we could unload ppl from our first 2 lines to make 3 scoring lines. We have good young forward but just nobody to set them up. I think he would be a good fit with Lats particularly.

For the PK, Chipchura is coming soon, maybe we can get a solid Dman a bit like Harmlik but at a lesser cost that could help on the pk too. Orpik maybe ?

We won't have lots of spot to fill, i think there are like 2-3 forward spot to replace: ryder,slowlinski and a 4th liner dept. Ryder will be replaced prolly by a good offensive guy, slowli will be replaced by Chipchura...

Defensivly, i believe O'bryne could get a permanent spot, Brisebois if he stay would be the 7th def. As for Bouillon, i don't question his hearth and talent but he could be easily replaced for better i believe... he does not live up to the expectation from his contract.

BaseballCoach 06-08-2008 03:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DrMailloux (Post 14343524)
We need a 3rd line that can score goals.
We need a better PK.
We need a solid 3rd pair D

I think the best way to get a good 3rd line is to get another quality forward like Sundin then we could unload ppl from our first 2 lines to make 3 scoring lines. We have good young forward but just nobody to set them up. I think he would be a good fit with Lats particularly.

Latendresse-Koivu-Sundin
AKost-Plekanec-Kovalev
Higgins-Chipchura-SKost
Streit-Lapierre-Kostopoulos
....Begin, Stewart

Quote:

For the PK, Chipchura is coming soon, maybe we can get a solid Dman a bit like Harmlik but at a lesser cost that could help on the pk too. Orpik maybe ?

We won't have lots of spot to fill, i think there are like 2-3 forward spot to replace: ryder,slowlinski and a 4th liner dept. Ryder will be replaced prolly by a good offensive guy, slowli will be replaced by Chipchura...

Defensivly, i believe O'bryne could get a permanent spot, Brisebois if he stay would be the 7th def. As for Bouillon, i don't question his hearth and talent but he could be easily replaced for better i believe... he does not live up to the expectation from his contract.
Markov-O'Byrne
Hamrlik-Gorges
Bouillon-Komisarek
...Valentenko

In situations where they want to drop down to 4 D-men for certain minutes, Komisarek replaces O-B.

Kachino 06-08-2008 05:23 AM

What the Habs need MOST?

Hum, less bipolar fans?

Jee 06-08-2008 09:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kachino82 (Post 14344300)
What the Habs need MOST?

Hum, less bipolar fans?

noooooooooooooooooooooooo we all love Harry <3<3

Freaky Habs Fan 06-08-2008 09:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pam19 (Post 14343437)
Pleks is our first line center.
He will still improve.
We may need some help in the offense but looking at Detroit...

We need to improve our passing game, our forecheck. Carbo said we had improved our passing game.
We were not very far against the Flyers... We dominated them in many aspects. Despite loosing, we were in no way outplayed.

Let's give another year to Carbo and Bob. They did a good job last year. Gainey said he needed 5 years.

If we improve our passing game it will reflect everywhere.

For me this is the way Detroit took Pens in 6:
- passing game;
- puck control;
- forecheck;
- transition.

All of these are getting better this year. We just need to improve the recipe. Also, Price will be better in the next playoffs. They will rest him (Halak will play more) a few weeks before the playoffs...

We are not that far. Even with the actual line-up.

Gainey said he wants another forward. He may get a third or fourth liner that would add a little bit to a winning recipe.
Looking for the home-run may not solve your problem.

BTW, I also would like Hossa, Malkin, Sundin and Crosby...

Good post, I agree! That's in part how Detroit won the cup this year. Sure, they have three star player in the line-up, but still, they were probably not the best team on paper. All in all, they were playing in the best system that I ever seen. It's would be hard to play like them, but if we can get our passing game going, we're going to be a pretty good and dangerous team.

We have the talent to succeed, no question there. Like others said, we are lacking experience, and maybe one star forward to get things going. I don't care which position he would play, and what size he would be, but we need a machine gun to replace our AK-47 (not talking of Kost here).

I think we'll get one at some point...Gainey will make a move when the team will be ready to reach the highest level, and it might be this year. We have so many good young prospects, so some of them will eventually go for immediate help.

jcpenny 06-08-2008 10:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Whitesnake (Post 14343384)
Size is not overrated. Maybe thinking that size comes automatically with strength and grit, that's overrated. Obviously if you can have a guy who's strong as hell without being 6'4'' so be it but chances are a big guy will more easily sustain a tougher calendar, will be better at protecting the puck and will win his battles along the boards more easily.

Again, sure there are examples of smaller guys who protects the puck incredibly well and examples of tall guys who ain't strong enough, but chances are they won't.

Sure the Wings didn't have big centermen. But they had the luxury to have in their ranks 2 of the best 2-way players to ever played the game. Since it's pretty tough to obtain such kind of players, you have to put chances on your side. Then, we need to realize that we're not playing the same system. Wings control the puck....we chase it. So either we change our system, either we realize that we don't have the grit, the strength and the size to chase and retrieve it.

Sure give me a full lineup of 6'0'' who are the strongest out there and I won't mind. But I still believe that size is usually paired with other things like strength and grit. If not, those are the kinds of players I don't want.

We are not that far away to be contenders and to me size in the middle is not essentially part of the equation. I wouldnt mind it but its not the main reason we lost to philly. Our 3rd and 4th line was inexistant and we needed another top for D along with better goaltending.

Whitesnake 06-08-2008 10:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kachino82 (Post 14344300)
What the Habs need MOST?

Hum, less bipolar fans?

Bipolarity works both ways. Because of 3 or 4 great game, suddenly Smolinski was deserving of a new contract for next year. Bégin, all year long, went from liability to heart of the team.

If you're comment go as much as the ultra negativity to the extra positivity, I agree. If you're implying that we should never criticize making us bipolar, I obviously don't agree.

Quote:

Originally Posted by jcpenny (Post 14344891)
We are not that far away to be contenders and to me size in the middle is not essentially part of the equation. I wouldnt mind it but its not the main reason we lost to philly. Our 3rd and 4th line was inexistant and we needed another top for D along with better goaltending.

Not saying it was the reason for that series either. But the way we're playing, I still believe we need to be bigger to have success. But again, not bigger Mathieu Biron, Pierre Dagenais.....If you can find me 20 Tomas Holmstrom who's still "only" 6'0'' but with a respectable 215lbs, I could deal with that.

So stronger and grittier might be what I'm looking for. But size does matters for me at one point. Not every player needs to be big. Still seems to me that our top 4 on D will look like one of the biggest out there. Seems to me they think it's important on the back end. It also has to be important up front at some point. Either to screen the goalie, to win battles, to use your long reach and so on....

HH 06-08-2008 10:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jeffonfire (Post 14344720)
noooooooooooooooooooooooo we all love Harry <3<3

I'm not bipolar, I'm pissed after we lose the game and am frustrated but I don't jump off the bandwagon. Usually a good night sleep makes wonders after a loss.

Kachino 06-08-2008 10:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Whitesnake (Post 14344918)
Bipolarity works both ways. Because of 3 or 4 great game, suddenly Smolinski was deserving of a new contract for next year. Bégin, all year long, went from liability to heart of the team.

If you're comment go as much as the ultra negativity to the extra positivity, I agree. If you're implying that we should never criticize making us bipolar, I obviously don't agree.

That's impossible. We as fans can criticize/praise players, teams, leagues... I just don't like when it's going from ultra negativity to total euphoria in a quick time span or when someone really don't like a player (which is OK because you're allow you have your opinion/taste) but can't give that player credit when credit is due. I know that professional sports is all about passion (and money :sarcasm:), but fans have to remember that it's a very long season and that players can actually have bad games/phase and that most of the time, it takes time/patience to see results.

sampollock 06-08-2008 12:28 PM

touchy bunch,


but the reg season scoring had no basis on the playoffs, did it?


just saying a strong go the net guy is needed.

how many time on the pp, in the playoffs , lost the draw, or no one went to the net....

det showed how to win a cup...

and we don't have the superstars they do,

so the hab must find another way

Quote:

Originally Posted by Whitesnake (Post 14344947)
Not saying it was the reason for that series either. But the way we're playing, I still believe we need to be bigger to have success. But again, not bigger Mathieu Biron, Pierre Dagenais.....If you can find me 20 Tomas Holmstrom who's still "only" 6'0'' but with a respectable 215lbs, I could deal with that.

So stronger and grittier might be what I'm looking for. But size does matters for me at one point. Not every player needs to be big. Still seems to me that our top 4 on D will look like one of the biggest out there. Seems to me they think it's important on the back end. It also has to be important up front at some point. Either to screen the goalie, to win battles, to use your long reach and so on....

agreed, have to pay the price to score a goal in the playoff.....

how is the above comment out of line?

Beakermania* 06-08-2008 01:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sampollock (Post 14345542)
agreed, have to pay the price to score a goal in the playoff.....

how is the above comment out of line?

1) Because you acted like this is some new revelation that you alone have seen.... the need for Montreal to get a big centre.... Do you not think its been discussed to death on these boards for many many many years already??
2) You also spoke as though Bob Gainey hasn't been trying or hasn't wanted a big centre.... you assume that they just grow on trees and they are easy for an NHL team to get.... They aren't and they don't come cheap... not through trade or UFA.


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 09:02 PM.

vBulletin Copyright ©2000 - 2015, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
HFBoards.com, A property of CraveOnline, a division of AtomicOnline LLC ©2009 CraveOnline Media, LLC. All Rights Reserved.