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BigEyedPhish 06-13-2008 07:42 PM

Ryan Suter signed by NSH
 
Eklund says hes signed for "about 4 per" he doesn't know the year range however

http://www.hockeybuzz.com/blog.php?post_id=15682

I hope hes wrong again was hoping Ottawa would trade Vermette or something for him

Burke's Evil Spirit 06-13-2008 07:42 PM

Eklund actually seems to have decent sources in Nashville...

Enoch 06-13-2008 07:48 PM

Eklund has a great relationship with all of the important media members/broadcasters/etc here in Nashville, so this is one team that you actually have to pay attention too when mentioned. Heck, he was even down here for the rally last year....

If true, I think it is about right. This contract is going to be similar to Gilbert/Whitney's extensions. He is the best all-around defender on the Predators, and in terms of defensive play, I would rank him 2nd right now. Weber could/will be better IMO, but at this point, Suter looks like he could be a 27 minute a night 1st pairing defenseman for years to come.

Another thing to consider, though, is this creates a conundrum for the Predators.

Weber is going nowhere.
Hamhuis is going nowhere (too cheap)
Suter shouldn't be going anywhere if resigned (and really should be a building block to begin with)

Devries is solid but with the depth the Predators have on D and the 2.75 salary - he is expendable

Zidlicky is signed to a sweetheart deal, but at 3.75 million - he has value and could be traded for a winger.

Klein/Koistenen both should be starting, but both are on the outside looking in.

Zanon - a fighter that works hard every night...a cheap 5/6/7 guy that is a solid starter or spot starter.

On the farm: Sulzer (could start in the NHL), Laakso (probably could start in the NHL), Franson (high-end prospect a year away), Blum (high-end prospect), Niskala...

Somebody has to go....

mercury 06-13-2008 08:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Enoch (Post 14403072)
Eklund has a great relationship with all of the important media members/broadcasters/etc here in Nashville, so this is one team that you actually have to pay attention too when mentioned. Heck, he was even down here for the rally last year....

If true, I think it is about right. This contract is going to be similar to Gilbert/Whitney's extensions. He is the best all-around defender on the Predators, and in terms of defensive play, I would rank him 2nd right now. Weber could/will be better IMO, but at this point, Suter looks like he could be a 27 minute a night 1st pairing defenseman for years to come.

Another thing to consider, though, is this creates a conundrum for the Predators.

Weber is going nowhere.
Hamhuis is going nowhere (too cheap)
Suter shouldn't be going anywhere if resigned (and really should be a building block to begin with)

Devries is solid but with the depth the Predators have on D and the 2.75 salary - he is expendable

Zidlicky is signed to a sweetheart deal, but at 3.75 million - he has value and could be traded for a winger.

Klein/Koistenen both should be starting, but both are on the outside looking in.

Zanon - a fighter that works hard every night...a cheap 5/6/7 guy that is a solid starter or spot starter.

On the farm: Sulzer (could start in the NHL), Laakso (probably could start in the NHL), Franson (high-end prospect a year away), Blum (high-end prospect), Niskala...

Somebody has to go....

Do you think Klein or Koistinen can play #4-5 minutes this upcoming season? And what kind of salary demands are they looking at?

Flyersguru 06-13-2008 08:56 PM

Zidlicky for Umberger :D

Winston Wolf 06-13-2008 09:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Flyersguru (Post 14403496)
Zidlicky for Umberger :D

That's a bad deal from the Flyers' perspective. I'd rather they just sign Berard to a cheap contract if they want a PP specialist.

Enoch 06-13-2008 09:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Winston Wolf (Post 14403528)
That's a bad deal from the Flyers' perspective. I'd rather they just sign Berard to a cheap contract if they want a PP specialist.

Zidlicky is far better offensively AND MUCH better defensively than Bedard....

Winston Wolf 06-13-2008 09:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Enoch (Post 14403557)
Zidlicky is far better offensively AND MUCH better defensively than Bedard....

That's true. However, I'd still say Zidlicky is a one dimensional defenseman and not someone I'd want seeing a lot of time in the playoffs. I'd rather not trade Umberger for that.

Enoch 06-13-2008 09:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Winston Wolf (Post 14403600)
That's true. However, I'd still say Zidlicky is a one dimensional defenseman and not someone I'd want seeing a lot of time in the playoffs. I'd rather not trade Umberger for that.

Thats fine, but I think most GMs around the league would disagree with you (on your assessment of Zidlicky....I could care less about Umberger to be quite honest). Zidlicky isn't a shutdown defenseman, but he is at the least, average in his own zone. He is dreadfully underrated around here....

Fleury14 06-13-2008 09:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mercury (Post 14403317)
Do you think Klein or Koistinen can play #4-5 minutes this upcoming season? And what kind of salary demands are they looking at?

I'm confident Koistinen could be a #4 D on basically any team in the league; Nashville would be much wiser to keep him for the salary he'll be looking at.

Klein, on the otherhand, really hasn't had much chance to develop yet at the NHL level and didn't really play much last year. He could possibly fill that role (more of a #5-6) but it wouldn't be something you could rely on him for, because he could be pretty rusty right now.

mercury 06-13-2008 09:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fleury14 (Post 14403672)
I'm confident Koistinen could be a #4 D on basically any team in the league; Nashville would be much wiser to keep him for the salary he'll be looking at.

Klein, on the otherhand, really hasn't had much chance to develop yet at the NHL level and didn't really play much last year. He could possibly fill that role (more of a #5-6) but it wouldn't be something you could rely on him for, because he could be pretty rusty right now.

What do you think it would take from Philly to get Koistinen?

Enoch 06-13-2008 10:09 PM

Klein has a lot of talent. On any other team, he would be logging a decent amount of minutes. He is one of those guys that does everything well....without something he excels at (although it should be noted that he is probably the quickest blueliners on the Preds).

BobbyClarkeFan16 06-13-2008 10:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Enoch (Post 14403942)
Klein has a lot of talent. On any other team, he would be logging a decent amount of minutes. He is one of those guys that does everything well....without something he excels at (although it should be noted that he is probably the quickest blueliners on the Preds).

Eric Desjardins was a similar type of player.

ELab2 06-13-2008 11:22 PM

DAMN YOU DAVID POILLE!!!!!!!!!!!! :rant:

Quote:

Originally Posted by BobbyClarkeFan16 (Post 14404124)
Eric Desjardins was a similar type of player.

Unless the Flyers go out and sign a guy like Commodore to a short deal Klein isn't the kind of guy we need. He's a #5 at best right now (no offense to his talent at all he just has almost no experience) and the Flyers really need a strong strong 2nd pairing guy.

BobbyClarkeFan16 06-13-2008 11:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ELab2 (Post 14404426)
DAMN YOU DAVID POILLE!!!!!!!!!!!! :rant:



Unless the Flyers go out and sign a guy like Commodore to a short deal Klein isn't the kind of guy we need. He's a #5 at best right now (no offense to his talent at all he just has almost no experience) and the Flyers really need a strong strong 2nd pairing guy.

Or you could go out, get a guy like Klein and split the Coburn/Timonen pair and use Timonen with either Parent or Klein and then give Coburn whoever after Timonen decides. I'd rather give a young guy with a boat load of potential the opportunity than just say we need a veteran to fill the spot. Sometimes the best way to see if someone can sink or swim is to throw them off the deep end.....

SkullSplitter 06-13-2008 11:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Enoch (Post 14403072)
Eklund has a great relationship with all of the important media members/broadcasters/etc here in Nashville, so this is one team that you actually have to pay attention too when mentioned. Heck, he was even down here for the rally last year....

If true, I think it is about right. This contract is going to be similar to Gilbert/Whitney's extensions. He is the best all-around defender on the Predators, and in terms of defensive play, I would rank him 2nd right now. Weber could/will be better IMO, but at this point, Suter looks like he could be a 27 minute a night 1st pairing defenseman for years to come.

Another thing to consider, though, is this creates a conundrum for the Predators.

Weber is going nowhere.
Hamhuis is going nowhere (too cheap)
Suter shouldn't be going anywhere if resigned (and really should be a building block to begin with)

Devries is solid but with the depth the Predators have on D and the 2.75 salary - he is expendable

Zidlicky is signed to a sweetheart deal, but at 3.75 million - he has value and could be traded for a winger.

Klein/Koistenen both should be starting, but both are on the outside looking in.

Zanon - a fighter that works hard every night...a cheap 5/6/7 guy that is a solid starter or spot starter.

On the farm: Sulzer (could start in the NHL), Laakso (probably could start in the NHL), Franson (high-end prospect a year away), Blum (high-end prospect), Niskala...

Somebody has to go....

The Pens could take one of them off you if they lose Orpik

CtB 06-13-2008 11:44 PM

Who do you guys think will get more, Suter or Weber?

sweatypickle 06-14-2008 12:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CarltonTheBear (Post 14404599)
Who do you guys think will get more, Suter or Weber?

lol seriously?

ELab2 06-14-2008 12:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BobbyClarkeFan16 (Post 14404504)
Or you could go out, get a guy like Klein and split the Coburn/Timonen pair and use Timonen with either Parent or Klein and then give Coburn whoever after Timonen decides. I'd rather give a young guy with a boat load of potential the opportunity than just say we need a veteran to fill the spot. Sometimes the best way to see if someone can sink or swim is to throw them off the deep end.....

IF Hatcher doesn't retire maybe I could see that. But I still feel he will and then you'd be looking at.

Timonen-Parent
Coburn-Klein
Jones-Kukkonen

or something like that and I'm not comfortable with that at all.

CtB 06-14-2008 12:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sweatypickle (Post 14404770)
lol seriously?

Thanks for answering my question. Sorry for not knowing enough about the hockey hotbed that is the Nashville Predators (no offence Pred's fans, I'm quite jealous of your team)

I'm assuming Weber gets more, I guess my question is if Suter gets $4mil-ish, where would that put Weber?

Joe T Choker 06-14-2008 12:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CarltonTheBear (Post 14404807)
Thanks for answering my question. Sorry for not knowing enough about the hockey hotbed that is the Nashville Predators (no offence Pred's fans, I'm quite jealous of your team)

I'm assuming Weber gets more, I guess my question is if Suter gets $4mil-ish, where would that put Weber?

Weber has asked for 5 million ... and that is a rumor ... we'll find out soon whether that is a rumor or not

Enoch 06-14-2008 09:00 AM

Based on performance last year, Suter deserves more, but Weber, if the deal is long-term, will definitely be offered more IMO.

Chainshot 06-14-2008 09:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Enoch (Post 14403942)
Klein has a lot of talent. On any other team, he would be logging a decent amount of minutes. He is one of those guys that does everything well....without something he excels at (although it should be noted that he is probably the quickest blueliners on the Preds).

With the numbers crunch in Nashville, he's actually at the top of my list for defensemen I would like to see Regier make a move for. Not sure on the cost -- I doubt he'd be offering more than a 3rd or 4th rounder, but he fits a lot of what Regier seems to want in defensemen and I can see Kevin being part of a deal to relieve some of Nashville's abundant D.

Edit: Does Zidlicky have a NMC or NTC in his current deal?

Irish Blues 06-14-2008 09:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chainshot (Post 14406211)
Edit: Does Zidlicky have a NMC or NTC in his current deal?

NTC. Dumont, Erat [in '09], Arnott, and Legwand have or will have NMC's.

Enoch 06-14-2008 10:03 AM

Zidlicky DOES have a NTC, but I have heard from several people that it expires on July 1st. I'm still unsure on the veracity behind that statement.

As for Klein, he is worth far more than a third round pick as the chances of drafting someone like Klein in the third round are probably around 10%...., but Poile may have squashed his value almost completely.


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