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JHabs 06-15-2008 11:30 AM

Vrbata and Nagy?? Other options at UFA.
 
Instead of Sundin, Hossa, Malone, or even Naslund, what about.. Vrbata and Nagy? Great potential in both of them.

Discuss.

Vasculio 06-15-2008 11:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by yarfangor (Post 14414364)
Instead of Sundin, Hossa, Malone, or even Naslund, what about.. Vrbata and Nagy? Great potential in both of them.

Discuss.

IMO we won't sign any of the top UFA, simply because it would tie our hands next year.

Vrbata, hum, tough call, could be interesting, but it's his first good year, and with the type of game he has, I think we already have Higgins and A.Kostitsyn who can play that way.

Nagy I don't want, always hurt, never lived up to expectations...

Dan K 06-15-2008 11:58 AM

Nagy is far too much of a Samsonov-type for my liking. Small and weak. Also injury-prone. He'd be wayyyyy down my list and would have to come very cheap for me to consider it.

Vrbata would be an ok option and he's still relatively young, but it'll depend on the cost. He might be an alright addition in the way a Smolinski or Bonk were in the past, even though he's less of a defensive guy (Chipchura/Lapierre would presumably step up in that case).

Still we should be aiming for the Hossas and Sundins and not worrying about these others till afterwards. We can do with or without the 2nd tier guys.

JHabs 06-15-2008 12:10 PM

Right but my concern is that those Main Guys won't come here. Hossa signs with Pits by some act of God. Sundin stays or goes to another Canadian team (not us), Jagr stays. I mean our choices are narrowing down. I'm starting to think we should just scrap this year in Free Agents, and get some trading value in our pockets, and get some key picks for 2009.

Talent Analyst 06-15-2008 12:16 PM

Why waste money on ''alternative'' player?

Higgins-koivu-S.Kost
A.Kost-Plekanek-Kovalev
Latendresse-***-***
Lapierre-Begin-Kostopoulos

the *** is spot who is not sure on who will fill it. It might be Chipchura and D'Agostini. We don't need alternative player that will cost much and will take the place of a young player. If someone take the place of a young player, it has to be take by a star, then it will worth it.

YMCMBeaulieu 06-15-2008 12:33 PM

I'd rather have Brunette instead of Nagy and Vrbata.

coolguy21415 06-15-2008 01:00 PM

Honestly, if the big guys don't come, we can talk about "alternative methods" then. There generally isn't a huge rush for second-tier free agents on July 1.

I, for one, would not welcome Nagy under any circumstances. Vrbata perhaps, but he's a 3rd line player that got 1st line icetime in Phoenix and put up good, but not exceptional, numbers. Not unlike Yanic Perreault last season. I think he'd get paid more than he's worth.

Then again, I could be wrong and he might end up a bargain.

sampollock 06-15-2008 01:26 PM

this is discussed on every thread almost on this hab area

Uwey 06-15-2008 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Johnny Drama (Post 14414797)
I'd rather have Brunette instead of Nagy and Vrbata.


Agreed, even Langkow or Demitra would be better choices,as long as they agreed to short term deals, three seasons or less.

LyricalLyricist 06-15-2008 02:41 PM

Just look down the lists:

2008 Free Agent List(By Team):
http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/feature/?id=11074

Sneak Peak At Free Agency:
http://www.tsn.ca/columnists/scott_c...s_fantasy_news

2008 All UFA Team:
http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/feature/?id=11300

2008 Most Wanted RFAs:
http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/feature/?id=10453


My Choices:

Offensive Forwards: Hossa, Sundin, Selanne.
3rd Line Forwards: Pandolfo, Owen Nolan, Chris Gratton.
Others: David Vyborny(Due a bounce back year), Naslund(maybe a new system will help)
Under Contract: Jokinen.

As for vrbata I'm not sold, and nagy doesn't provide anything we don't already have.

Blind Gardien 06-15-2008 03:24 PM

I wouldn't take Vrbata or Nagy on the Habs. They're just about exactly what we don't need. They're the anti-FAs for us. They're Samsonov disasters waiting to happen all over again.

I'm not offering any real alternatives, however. If we don't get a big name forward and a solid D, I'm satisfied if we just do nothing. Extending our own guys ahead of next summer would be awfully nice to see.

CrAzYNiNe 06-15-2008 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Talent Analyst (Post 14414690)
Why waste money on ''alternative'' player?

Higgins-koivu-S.Kost
A.Kost-Plekanek-Kovalev
Latendresse-***-***
Lapierre-Begin-Kostopoulos

the *** is spot who is not sure on who will fill it. It might be Chipchura and D'Agostini. We don't need alternative player that will cost much and will take the place of a young player. If someone take the place of a young player, it has to be take by a star, then it will worth it.

Really that's what you want? You know that won't help us win, since it looks a lot like last year. I'm not saying that the young players won't get better, but we don't win much in the playoffs with a similar lineup

Ice Poutine 06-15-2008 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by sampollock (Post 14415237)
this is discussed on every thread almost on this hab area

And so were all of the subjects in the "Worried??? Why you Say??" thread you started yet everyone was polite and no one said a word about it in that thread...:shakehead

Maxpac 06-15-2008 03:50 PM

what is evreyone brigning up 2nd rate talent lately when our farm is full and we are filled up with 2nd line players, Vrbata is crap and so is Nagy and both are terrible ideas. Even if we finished 1st last year we are far from our potential and we are still in rebuilding mode, some of you guys really aren't patient enough

Pascal 06-15-2008 04:08 PM

yuk @ those 2. I'd rather go with rookies than floating and inconsistent "scorers".

FerrisRox 06-15-2008 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by yarfangor (Post 14414648)
Right but my concern is that those Main Guys won't come here. Hossa signs with Pits by some act of God.

How on earth can Marian Hossa sign with Pittsburgh?

It's not possible, yet people here talk about it as if not only is it an option, but that somehow it's very likely.

Hossa's already played his last game as a Pittsburgh Penguin.

HamrlikTheStud* 06-15-2008 06:15 PM

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Originally Posted by FerrisRox (Post 14416736)
How on earth can Marian Hossa sign with Pittsburgh?

It's not possible, yet people here talk about it as if not only is it an option, but that somehow it's very likely.

Hossa's already played his last game as a Pittsburgh Penguin.

I trust you... because seemingly you got a couple of good sources... and you are well plugged....... aren't you?

Analyzer 06-15-2008 06:25 PM

Nagy is a waste and Vrbata is one dimensional, if that. He won't backcheck, he won't go in the corners, he won't hit.... also, phoenix needs his scoring, so they'll likely keep him.

Brunette wouldn't be a bad choice.

Dark4ng3l 06-15-2008 06:30 PM

I think Owen Nolan is exactly what we need. A guy who is big and physical, can score a few goals and a good leader. He would also only get a 1 year deal at a pretty cheap rate so we can always sign another UFA as well and he is not on the books in the future unless we want to keep him. I think he is a better option than taking a risk on one of the guys who will get bigger/longer contracts based on potential alone and not what they have actually proven that they can do.

FerrisRox 06-15-2008 06:35 PM

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Originally Posted by HamrlikTheStud (Post 14416866)
I trust you... because seemingly you got a couple of good sources... and you are well plugged....... aren't you?

This has nothing to do with sources or pluggedness .... :)

Quite simply, how could the Penguins sign Hossa to a contract without leaving themselves wide open to have the likes of Jordan Staal and Evegni Malkin plucked off their roster as RFA's?

And, forgetting that, why would they set their payroll up to have it stacked with scoring forwards anyway? Haven't we seen how that plays out in Tampa Bay already?

They're already talking about moving one of the Sergei Gonchar or Ryan Whitney just to extend Malkin.

There's only so many dollars to go around, and Hossa is clearly the expendable one. I don't think Shero thought for a second he would retain Hossa beyond the playoffs when he traded for him. He could table an offer, but it's not going to be close to what will be required.

coolguy21415 06-15-2008 06:48 PM

Well the reported offer is somewhere in the range of 6.5M per season for the next 5 seasons.

At that rate, it's not impossible to retain Hossa.

Mad Habber 06-15-2008 06:48 PM

Vrbata and Nagy. That's the toughness we need on the top 2 lines.

Sorry but where would they play. We need a little more grit on the top 2 lines. These guys are the exact opposite of gritty.

Can anyone tell that I'm getting tired of reading every UFA as a suggestion. Geez Abischer is still available, I don't go out and suggest his name as a backup.

Uwey 06-15-2008 06:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FerrisRox (Post 14417002)
This has nothing to do with sources or pluggedness .... :)

Quite simply, how could the Penguins sign Hossa to a contract without leaving themselves wide open to have the likes of Jordan Staal and Evegni Malkin plucked off their roster as RFA's?

And, forgetting that, why would they set their payroll up to have it stacked with scoring forwards anyway? Haven't we seen how that plays out in Tampa Bay already?

They're already talking about moving one of the Sergei Gonchar or Ryan Whitney just to extend Malkin.

There's only so many dollars to go around, and Hossa is clearly the expendable one. I don't think Shero thought for a second he would retain Hossa beyond the playoffs when he traded for him. He could table an offer, but it's not going to be close to what will be required.



Well Hossa is an elite winger & if he is willing to take a home town discount to stay with the Pens I can see Pittsburgh moving the likes of Staal if there isn't enough cap room. No sense having three good centermen & wingers to play with them. Hossa may very well sign for less than his market value to stay with this up& coming elite team. Malkin is already talking extension at or below Crosby's price. The last factor is what Fleury is going to want.

toshiro 06-15-2008 07:02 PM

Nolan, Holik and Brunette if cheap cheap as all play hard. Langhow is tiny.

Beakermania* 06-15-2008 09:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Uwey (Post 14417118)
Well Hossa is an elite winger & if he is willing to take a home town discount to stay with the Pens I can see Pittsburgh moving the likes of Staal if there isn't enough cap room. No sense having three good centermen & wingers to play with them. Hossa may very well sign for less than his market value to stay with this up& coming elite team. Malkin is already talking extension at or below Crosby's price. The last factor is what Fleury is going to want.

Didn't Malkin say, "I won't be giving a hometown discount to the Pens"


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