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The Real 06-19-2008 06:12 PM

Would the 13th, 26th and Max Afinogenov get you in the top 5?
 
Out of Curiosity what is this deal worth? Regier has said the Sabres are high on 3 players in this years draft. Ofcourse that's more than anyone has ever heard Darcy say about any draft in his tenure here in Buffalo. He also said if the situation presents itself they wouldn't be against trading up for a player that they coveted.


So are two 1st round draft picks in this years draft and a player like Afinogenov/Connolly/Kotalik enough get you in to the top 5? Is that a package that would garner consideration from someone in the top 5?

HughJass* 06-19-2008 06:15 PM

Maybe in the '99 draft.

XweekendwarriorX 06-19-2008 06:17 PM

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Originally Posted by The Real (Post 14464599)
Out of Curiosity what is this deal worth? Regier has said the Sabres are high on 3 players in this years draft. Ofcourse that's more than anyone has ever heard Darcy say about any draft in his tenure here in Buffalo. He also said if the situation presents itself they wouldn't be against trading up for a player that they coveted.


So are two 1st round draft picks in this years draft and a player like Afinogenov/Connolly/Kotalik enough get you in to the top 5? Is that a package that would garner consideration from someone in the top 5?

I always considered CBJ a team buffalo could make a trade with. i mean CBJ has 2 picks as well in this draft and could use a guy i think like max on there team. its a 7 spot drop but you still get a great quality player at 13th. its not the top 5 picks but the 6th pick would land you a great player and maybe a 1st year impact player.

AgentNaslund* 06-19-2008 06:38 PM

I love it when you guys offer spare parts + Late draft pick, for top 5 pick.

Kinda like when Oilers fan offer up Torres plus draft pick for top 10 pick. Unreal.

Prussian_Blue 06-19-2008 06:55 PM

The 13th and 26th, plus Kalinin and T.J. Brennan, would get my attention if I were the Blues' GM holding the number four pick...

No interest whatsoever in Afinogenov.

P_B

:bb:

oandb18 06-19-2008 07:01 PM

That package is more than enough to get into the top 5.

danishh 06-19-2008 07:04 PM

yes. People overrate picks way too much here. (connolly though, not max)

Leafidelity 06-19-2008 07:06 PM

Not a chance. People seem to forget that this draft has 4 potential franchise defensemen and highly underrate the top 5.

oandb18 06-19-2008 07:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Franey97 (Post 14465346)
Not a chance. People seem to forget that this draft has 4 potential franchise defensemen and highly underrate the top 5.

Do you know what it cost the flyers to move into the top 4 in 2002 to grab a potential franchise player?

Ruslan ****ing Fedotenko and 2 2nd round draft picks.

The overvaluing of draft picks on here is unreal.

mgeise 06-19-2008 07:21 PM

If we could somehow get into the top 5 and get Doughty/Bogosian/Pietrangelo, I would be pretty excited. We need a franchise defenceman, and these guys would fill that bill. Those picks and Afinogenov, who is underrated immensely by all fans including those of the Sabres, should be enough to get up into the top 5. I hope to see the Sabres make some moves during this draft.

Leafidelity 06-19-2008 07:24 PM

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Originally Posted by oandb18 (Post 14465419)
Do you know what it cost the flyers to move into the top 4 in 2002 to grab a potential franchise player?

Ruslan ****ing Fedotenko and 2 2nd round draft picks.

The overvaluing of draft picks on here is unreal.

Ever hear of the lockout and salary cap? Guess not. I mean, its not like theres a ceiling for how much you can spend on players per team.

Draft smaft!

HughJass* 06-19-2008 07:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by oandb18 (Post 14465419)
Do you know what it cost the flyers to move into the top 4 in 2002 to grab a potential franchise player?

Ruslan ****ing Fedotenko and 2 2nd round draft picks.

The overvaluing of draft picks on here is unreal.

LOL, 2002 draft.

Not quite funny as '99, but you tried. :sarcasm:

BackGroundMusic 06-19-2008 07:48 PM

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Originally Posted by AgentNaslund (Post 14464918)
I love it when you guys offer spare parts + Late draft pick, for top 5 pick.

Kinda like when Oilers fan offer up Torres plus draft pick for top 10 pick. Unreal.

That's pretty different, wouldn't you say? Two straight seasons on a point-per-game pace, followed up by one that was, admittedly, disappointing [mainly due to injuries] makes Max "Spare Parts"?

Since when is 13th overall a "late" draft pick? PLUS the original poster included the 26th overall.

mytor4* 06-19-2008 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by oandb18 (Post 14465260)
That package is more than enough to get into the top 5.

Not in this yrs draft.

hottytoddy 06-19-2008 08:04 PM

I bet something like this will happen. Seems like an idea the FO in Buffalo is plotting right now.

section 218 06-19-2008 08:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Prussian_Blue (Post 14465168)
The 13th and 26th, plus Kalinin and T.J. Brennan, would get my attention if I were the Blues' GM holding the number four pick...

No interest whatsoever in Afinogenov.

P_B

:bb:

Kalinin is a ufa, he has been told that he is not in sabres plans for next year. Will test waters in free agency

Homesick 06-20-2008 12:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AgentNaslund (Post 14464918)
I love it when you guys offer spare parts + Late draft pick, for top 5 pick.

Kinda like when Oilers fan offer up Torres plus draft pick for top 10 pick. Unreal.

I think it was funnier the 98th time you posted that....:dunce:

Quote:

Originally Posted by BikeGiftingMan (Post 14465967)
That's pretty different, wouldn't you say? Two straight seasons on a point-per-game pace, followed up by one that was, admittedly, disappointing [mainly due to injuries] makes Max "Spare Parts"?

Since when is 13th overall a "late" draft pick? PLUS the original poster included the 26th overall.

Hey BikeGiftingMan, Don't let AgentNaslund get you. He doesnt actually read the posts, or know anything about the players involved. He just likes to go into every single trade proposal and post "Oilers fan offer up Torres plus draft pick for top 10 pick". Yet he thinks the Canucks have assets...
Max would be on the Canucks top line

DG 06-20-2008 08:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Storminator16 (Post 14464650)
Maybe in the '99 draft.

:laugh:

Quote:

Originally Posted by oandb18 (Post 14465419)
Do you know what it cost the flyers to move into the top 4 in 2002 to grab a potential franchise player?

Ruslan ****ing Fedotenko and 2 2nd round draft picks.

The overvaluing of draft picks on here is unreal.

Fedotenko in '02 > Afinogenov in '08

The only way that maybe gets done is with Connolly, but even then, with his injuries, that's almost as much (or more) of a gamble as a draft pick...

GKJ 06-20-2008 08:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Prussian_Blue (Post 14465168)
The 13th and 26th, plus Kalinin and T.J. Brennan, would get my attention if I were the Blues' GM holding the number four pick...

No interest whatsoever in Afinogenov.

P_B

:bb:

Kalinin is a free agent, unless you plan on signing him.

flyingpig 06-20-2008 08:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Darth Gerber (Post 14471182)
:laugh:



Fedotenko in '02 > Afinogenov in '08
The only way that maybe gets done is with Connolly, but even then, with his injuries, that's almost as much (or more) of a gamble as a draft pick...

Not overvaluing Max, but that is silly. Fedotenko has a career high of 41 points. Before an injury plagued year last year, he had two seasons where he was a point a game guy, including a 73 point season and 61 points in 56 games.

For some reason, trading into the upper draft is just too expensive. (Think Hershel Walker). I personally would rather keep the two firsts, to avoid overpayment and just for odds sake of two quality players and the chance to make the Bigs. Darcy Regier said that 40-60 players make it to the pros from each draft.

Celestial Black 06-20-2008 08:38 AM

Not going to happen at all.

cfrancis 06-20-2008 08:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AgentNaslund (Post 14464918)
I love it when you guys offer spare parts + Late draft pick, for top 5 pick.

Kinda like when Oilers fan offer up Torres plus draft pick for top 10 pick. Unreal.

Bitter?

DG 06-20-2008 08:56 AM

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Originally Posted by flyingpig (Post 14471474)
Not overvaluing Max, but that is silly. Fedotenko has a career high of 41 points. Before an injury plagued year last year, he had two seasons where he was a point a game guy, including a 73 point season and 61 points in 56 games.

Fair enough... but Fedotenko had potential, young age and no cap hit to worry about in 2002...

In hindsight, I'd obviously rather have Max, but it's not a stretch to say Fedotenko was more valuable then than Afinogenov is now.

Kitpou* 06-20-2008 10:10 AM

I fail to see how a 13th and 26th are considered late round picks, and how Afinogenov is merely a spare part...

Meichel Kane 06-20-2008 10:11 AM

Columbus would probably want Connolly over Afinogenov.


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