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MojoJojo 02-16-2004 07:01 AM

Proposal: Fedorov to Philly
 
The Flyers may be out Jeremy Roenick for good. If JR decides to call it a career after concussion #9 (and it is supposed to be a bad one), The Flyers will need a first line center. Solution: Sergei Fedorov.

The Ducks would love to move his salary, especially since they appear to be out of the playoffs. Losing JR frees up some salary in Philly, making Philly probably one of the only teams that can afford him right now. Fedorov is still one heck of a player, though he has been something of a dissapointment this year. Plays well in both ends of the ice, proven playoff performer, etc.

Because he still has a number of years on his contract, and the Ducks got him for nothing but cash. I would expect his value to be fairly low. This deal could wind up being another Adam Oates style rear entry violation, or a straight salary dump like the deal which brought Tony Amonte last year. My offer: Denis Seidenberg and Patrick Sharp.

Too much? Too little? I expect that both a lot of Flyers and Ducks fans will not like this deal.

Kevin Forbes 02-16-2004 07:53 AM

I wouldn't say the Ducks would love to move Fedorov
and I would say he has been pretty good for the Ducks (in a year where there aren't many bright spots)

Personally, I can't see the Ducks moving Fedorov
Prospal? maybe
Carney? possibly

Mats NAslund 02-16-2004 07:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MojoJojo
The Flyers may be out Jeremy Roenick for good. If JR decides to call it a career after concussion #9 (and it is supposed to be a bad one), The Flyers will need a first line center. Solution: Sergei Fedorov.

The Ducks would love to move his salary, especially since they appear to be out of the playoffs. Losing JR frees up some salary in Philly, making Philly probably one of the only teams that can afford him right now. Fedorov is still one heck of a player, though he has been something of a dissapointment this year. Plays well in both ends of the ice, proven playoff performer, etc.

Because he still has a number of years on his contract, and the Ducks got him for nothing but cash. I would expect his value to be fairly low. This deal could wind up being another Adam Oates style rear entry violation, or a straight salary dump like the deal which brought Tony Amonte last year. My offer: Denis Seidenberg and Patrick Sharp.

Too much? Too little? I expect that both a lot of Flyers and Ducks fans will not like this deal.


Too little.....and a roster player to that and you could have a deal. If Anaheim moves Federov they'll need someone to fill a roster spot up front.

Teezax 02-16-2004 08:08 AM

I wanted Federov in this team for the longest time, I remember when the Lindros for Feds deal almost went thorugh back in the day. Clarke, this guy is a proven winner who plays awesome on all sides of the puck. This is the type of high profile player we need on this team. Do what it takes.

Ajacied 02-16-2004 08:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MojoJojo
My offer: Denis Seidenberg and Patrick Sharp.

Too much? Too little? I expect that both a lot of Flyers and Ducks fans will not like this deal.

Too little if you ask me. But than again, I have Fedorov on the same page as Modano so I might be biased. However, Fedorov hasn't lost any of his scoring touch, it's just that he doesn't play very motivated as soon as he realises his team isn't going anywhere. And playing on the Flyers, for Ken Hitchcock, the same coach that new how to make Modano an all-round force, would definitely make him an even bigger threat than he already is. I don't think that a nice young defenseman with limited upside and a young center who will likely develop into a 3rd line two-way forward will entice the Ducks enough to send their top player away.

MojoJojo 02-16-2004 10:08 AM

He is a top player, but what exactly did you give up to get him? Nothing. You didnt draft him or trade for him. He was signed as a free agent. Getting two decent prospects for him is basically getting two decent prospects for free. The fact that the Ducks are out of the playoffs, and he makes 10$ mil a year according to the NHLPA, makes him a player that the Ducks would likely want to get rid of to save money.

Fire Bobby Clarke 02-16-2004 10:36 AM

As A flyer fan I would not want Federov here...Not great defensively and won't fit in Hitchs system.

Bob Clarke Fan Club 02-16-2004 10:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MojoJojo
He is a top player, but what exactly did you give up to get him? Nothing. You didnt draft him or trade for him. He was signed as a free agent. Getting two decent prospects for him is basically getting two decent prospects for free. The fact that the Ducks are out of the playoffs, and he makes 10$ mil a year according to the NHLPA, makes him a player that the Ducks would likely want to get rid of to save money.




If Clarke goes sniffing out Fedorov, Murray will bend him over. What's interesting here is the Comcast/Disney fiasco...Personally, haven't heard anything about it lately so I won't throw an uninformed opinion out there...If anyone cares to update please do so. I must admit when I thought about roenick retiring, Fedorov was the only guy I thought could replace him. He's super defensively and he has caught fire of late...Murray will be too smart to let him go for nothing. Sharpe, Seidenberg/Vandermeer, 2nd rounder at least....but stranger things have happened.
I'd love Fedorov but we could get Brindy back for a lot less couldn't we?

Bob Clarke Fan Club 02-16-2004 10:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fire Bobby Clarke
As A flyer fan I would not want Federov here...Not great defensively and won't fit in Hitchs system.




You are soooooo wrong. Fedorov is one of the most responsible defensive players in the game and could easily step in and play the straight line system that hitch has implemented.

Red Death 02-16-2004 11:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fire Bobby Clarke
As A flyer fan I would not want Federov here...Not great defensively and won't fit in Hitchs system.


Not great defensively?

Not great defensively? Fedorov?

Have you ever watched him play?

No one has ever been better suited to play forward in Hitchcock's system than Fedorov. The only concern would be stroking his ego while focusing on defense.

He's so strong defensively, that Scotty Bowman used to play him on defense on occassion. Not just on the point of the PP, but at 5 on 5. Most forwards would get embarassed in such a situation, but Fedorov performed well as A DEFENSEMAN.

He didn't like doing it because it took away his chance to post offensive numbers and thus earn fatter contracts, but he has played defense before.

Ajacied 02-16-2004 11:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Red Death
Not great defensively?

Not great defensively? Fedorov?

Have you ever watched him play?

No one has ever been better suited to play forward in Hitchcock's system than Fedorov. The only concern would be stroking his ego while focusing on defense.

Err.. Mike Modano wasn't too shabby I'd say..

ObeySteve 02-16-2004 11:19 AM

Don't want Federov, don't need Federov.

We need young talent, plain and simple....I can't stress this enough to fanboys of Clarke.

PEli* 02-16-2004 11:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fire Bobby Clarke
As A flyer fan I would not want Federov here...Not great defensively and won't fit in Hitchs system.

This is the funniest post I've ever seen on the internet. Bar none.

Feds is the definition of defensive consistency. I think you took one look at the "ov" on the end of his name and just assumed.

Brodeur 02-16-2004 11:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MojoJojo
He is a top player, but what exactly did you give up to get him? Nothing. You didnt draft him or trade for him. He was signed as a free agent. Getting two decent prospects for him is basically getting two decent prospects for free. The fact that the Ducks are out of the playoffs, and he makes 10$ mil a year according to the NHLPA, makes him a player that the Ducks would likely want to get rid of to save money.

You could argue the Ducks gave up qualifying Kariya in order to pursue Fedorov.

Fedorov's contract actually goes down to 6 million next year. His deal is structured as 10-6-8-8-8. Bryan Murray also frontloaded Vinny Prospal's contract to 6.5, 2.5, 2.5, 2.5, 2.5 probably because of the forthcoming CBA. At any rate, the Ducks already lose 8 million in payroll next year because of this.

I don't see the Ducks trading Fedorov at the moment unless he threatens to use the out clause after the 2nd year. I don't think the Ducks are in the same spot as the Coyotes were last year with Amonte, at least not yet.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fire Bobby Clarke
As A flyer fan I would not want Federov here...Not great defensively and won't fit in Hitchs system.

Sorry bud, but you set yourself up for this one........Fedorov is a two time Selke winner and was runner up another year. Not quite Pavel Bure we're talking about here.

HeHateMeFrisbee 02-16-2004 11:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fire Bobby Clarke
As A flyer fan I would not want Federov here...Not great defensively and won't fit in Hitchs system.

wow.

txpd 02-16-2004 11:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fire Bobby Clarke
As A flyer fan I would not want Federov here...Not great defensively and won't fit in Hitchs system.

have you ever watched fedorov play hockey? he is just about a defensive specialist! scotty bowman moved fedorov to defense for 10 or 15 games in the wings last cup season because they had some guys injuried and fedorov was taking top 4 defenseman minutes.

no offense, but if sergei fedorov can play for scotty bowman he can play for freaking hitch...please

ehc73 02-16-2004 11:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fire Bobby Clarke
As A flyer fan I would not want Federov here...Not great defensively and won't fit in Hitchs system.

He's talking about SERGEI Federov not FEDOR Federov.

anonymous* 02-16-2004 12:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ObeySteve
Don't want Federov, don't need Federov.

We need young talent, plain and simple....I can't stress this enough to fanboys of Clarke.

I'm really getting tired of this same old same old with nothing to back it up. Who does Clarke need to get to make you believe? Give a list, a thought, something besides the same old complaint.

Hey, Red Death, wasn't it Fedorov's dad who complained about him playing defense? I thought I had heard that somewhere.

I personally wouldn't want to give up Sharp right now, so if it was some Phantoms, a pick or two, something cheap I would love it. There's a need to go for it all now just in case, but I like certain players because, well, just in case there is a season and the Flyers don't win. I'm glad it isn't up to me.

Frolov 02-16-2004 01:13 PM

Fedorov will cost you a lot.

Either Gagne straight up or Handzus and a good prospect.

craig1 02-16-2004 01:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fire Bobby Clarke
As A flyer fan I would not want Federov here...Not great defensively and won't fit in Hitchs system.


That is one of the most incorrect statements I have ever heard. Federov is the CONSUMMATE Selke candidate year in and year out. He is the prototypical two-way forward......he just happens to be more offensively gifted than most "two-way" forwards. Federov makes any teams defensive game better the minute he pulls on their jersey. :teach:

Gags1288 02-16-2004 01:30 PM

Sergei would be an unbelievable fit to the flyers. The problem is, what is Roenick does return (which I fully expect). Then the flyers are left trying to find ice time for 4 very good centers, a good problem to have, but still a problem. I've wanted Sergei for a long long time, he was my favorite player at a time. The question is, what would the flyers have to give up? I would be unwilling to deal Gagne because his play has greatly improved and it would leave the flyers a little weak on the wings. Sharpe + I would definately do, but probably not Handzus because of his lines current chemistry and the fact that we wouldn't be adding a center, just exchanging two. I also don't think money would be a problem as Comcast is in the process of purchasing Disney and a few million on the flyers is the least of their concerns.

Fighter 02-16-2004 01:42 PM

Pitkanen and Gagne for Feds and Carney. :D

Red Death 02-16-2004 02:03 PM

[QUOTE=anonymous]
Hey, Red Death, wasn't it Fedorov's dad who complained about him playing defense? I thought I had heard that somewhere.

QUOTE]


Yeah.

And that's exactly what Philly needs isn't it?

A prima donna whose dad is always meddling in the team's business. ;)

Where have I heard that before....

FerrisRox 02-16-2004 02:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fire Bobby Clarke
As A flyer fan I would not want Federov here...Not great defensively and won't fit in Hitchs system.

LMAO!

Fedorov isn't great defensively?

He's a Selke winner!!

McDonald19 02-16-2004 03:10 PM

Doesn't matter what his contract is like or what his age is...He still is simply our best player...so it will take more than two midlevel prospects to get him.

Looking for someone like Gagne here.


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